Bill Clinton: BLM is defending murderers and drug dealers

[Cassius]

This may have killed the blm movement.   If a former dem president  ( a popular one) is slapping you down.

bill clinton has always been vocally anti-blm (read: garbage), this isn't gonna change anything lol

Yes, Ricky Ray Rector's life obviously didn't matter to Bill.

Proving Bill right. Literally defending a murderer.

But he was mentally ill

The most bizarre thing about the furore over Ricky Ray Rector is that he was fully mentally capable when he committed his double murder, so it's not as if diminished responsibility was a factor in his crimes - the only reason he was retarded at all was because he shot himself in the head after committing those murders. What a role model!

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Now he says the one remaining bigotry is people who don't talk to each other. I think even Trump isn't this tone deaf.

http://www.npr.org/2016/04/08/473531189/bill-clinton-recasts-black-lives-matter-protest-clash-as-example

[Ebowed]

Now he says the one remaining bigotry is people who don't talk to each other. I think even Trump isn't this tone deaf.

"If we hid Bill Clinton, would that end racism?  Would that end sexism?" -- Hillary Clinton

[Derpist]

Now he says the one remaining bigotry is people who don't talk to each other. I think even Trump isn't this tone deaf.

"If we hid Bill Clinton, would that end racism?  Would that end sexism?" -- Hillary Clinton

LOL

[SillyAmerican]

Bill Clinton was absolutely right to call out the BLM folks regarding this. It's a shame that black leaders won't talk about the fact that 90% of blacks who are murdered are murdered by other black people. So do those black lives matter, the ones who are killed by other black people? I suppose Bill Clinton is showing himself to be a racist, right? Please...

[Indy Texas]

I'm really amazed by how the Democratic Party has turned on its most recent former president.

It's almost like if it were 1976 and Dwight Eisenhower were still alive and Reagan Republicans were calling him a tax-and-spend crypto-socialist as he campaigned for Gerald Ford.

[Ebsy]

I'm really amazed by how the Democratic Party has turned on its most recent former president.

It's almost like if it were 1976 and Dwight Eisenhower were still alive and Reagan Republicans were calling him a tax-and-spend crypto-socialist as he campaigned for Gerald Ford.

Considering his sky high approval ratings among Democrats, the party has certainly not turned on Bill Clinton, despite the wishes of True Leftists.

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

Well, Clinton was right about you BLM supporters then; you care more about the lives of criminals than law-abiding citizens.  I'm not a big Bill Clinton fan, but I'm definitely warming up to him based on the people he's setting off.

Come on fayette. The whole issue surrounding dislike/distrust of police is far too complex to break down like that. You can support police officers in general and still be very vocally pro-reform, acknowledging that our criminal justice system is terribly unfair and morally bankrupt from the top-down.

I'm not exactly supporting BLM here, but I have sympathy for the African American community and what they have been subjected to for generations. You have to try and put yourself in their shoes to understand this.

I'm not saying that you can't be pro-reform and still support police.  I'm talking about the people who protest as part of BLM against Bill Clinton, when his actions with respect to the crime bill helped make black communities safer.  Evergreen calling Bill Clinton "garbage" (which I actually kind of do, but from a very different perspective) just because he told the truth about the BLM agitators at the rally was pretty telling, IMO.

[ViaActiva]

blah blah blah

You think you're the only one who watched it? No, the only "context" here that matters is that when faced with black protesters or discussing these issues in general, he resorts to the same tired talking points that conservatives and racists do to defend their actions and thoughts, including:

• Allusions to the "all lives matter" shtick
• Implying that protesting his legislative actions that led to massive incarceration spikes equates to supporting THUGS, CRIMINALS and CRACKHEADS, because those are the only people who were affected
• "We helped poor kids! You're all poor, right? See, we helped you there!"
• Suggesting that Africans and African-Americans are one and the same, and that by helping those poor, wretched masses halfway around the world, African-Americans should be grateful for that, and that it's somehow relevant to anything the protesters are saying

There's a reason all of these well-known bigots and racists on the board are jumping to his defense. If the "context" wasn't enough, then the tell-tale trail here of their vitriol certainly should be enough.

Spot on, suggesting that anyone who criticises discriminatory aspects of the 1994 crime bill is somehow condoning drug kingpins is egregiously vicious. (And quite honestly I don't care if Sanders supported the bill, the Clintons should be judged on their own merits, or in their case, their own faults).

And now Clinton is saying that he 'almost wants to apologise for' what he said. How mealy mouthed can you get.

It's been said so many times before but I really can't understand how so many people on the American left / centre-left can defend the Clintons in spite of their crooked, self-aggrandising, and downright ugly behaviour.

[izixs]

Bill Clinton was absolutely right to call out the BLM folks regarding this. It's a shame that black leaders won't talk about the fact that 90% of blacks who are murdered are murdered by other black people. So do those black lives matter, the ones who are killed by other black people? I suppose Bill Clinton is showing himself to be a racist, right? Please...

People are killed by people in their own communities. In the united states, this still means that communities are highly segregated. So black people commit crimes against black people. White people commit crimes against white people. If folks are going to talk about black on black crime, they should also talk about white on white crime. Or they should just realize diverting the argument to that crap adage is either an ignorant ploy by someone trying to win an argument or... kind of racist. Yes, crime does tend to be high in minority communities in this country. Oddly enough, poverty tends to be rather high there too. But folks looking at the situation always seem to forget that economic depression tends to bring with it criminal activity.

Have a look at the data if you don't think white on white crime is a thing: https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expanded_homicide_data_table_6_murder_race_and_sex_of_vicitm_by_race_and_sex_of_offender_2013.xls

[SillyAmerican]

Bill Clinton was absolutely right to call out the BLM folks regarding this. It's a shame that black leaders won't talk about the fact that 90% of blacks who are murdered are murdered by other black people. So do those black lives matter, the ones who are killed by other black people? I suppose Bill Clinton is showing himself to be a racist, right? Please...

People are killed by people in their own communities. In the united states, this still means that communities are highly segregated. So black people commit crimes against black people. White people commit crimes against white people. If folks are going to talk about black on black crime, they should also talk about white on white crime. Or they should just realize diverting the argument to that crap adage is either an ignorant ploy by someone trying to win an argument or... kind of racist. Yes, crime does tend to be high in minority communities in this country. Oddly enough, poverty tends to be rather high there too. But folks looking at the situation always seem to forget that economic depression tends to bring with it criminal activity.

Have a look at the data if you don't think white on white crime is a thing: https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expanded_homicide_data_table_6_murder_race_and_sex_of_vicitm_by_race_and_sex_of_offender_2013.xls

I agree with what you're saying. My point is that those who believe black lives matter should be supportive of efforts to address black on black crime. Protesting against such efforts makes no sense whatsoever, and painting such efforts as being somehow racist is completely ludicrous. And yes, I'd say the exact same thing of a group with the name white lives matter who was protesting against a crime prevention effort addressing white on white crime. Race really has nothing to do with the argument being made here. If the BLM folks really don't understand what Mr. Clinton is saying, then we find ourselves in a no win situation, rational discussion is no longer valued, and the people who shout the loudest win. It's sad to think that this is where we are today...

[Famous Mortimer]

Bill Clinton was absolutely right to call out the BLM folks regarding this. It's a shame that black leaders won't talk about the fact that 90% of blacks who are murdered are murdered by other black people. So do those black lives matter, the ones who are killed by other black people? I suppose Bill Clinton is showing himself to be a racist, right? Please...

People are killed by people in their own communities. In the united states, this still means that communities are highly segregated. So black people commit crimes against black people. White people commit crimes against white people. If folks are going to talk about black on black crime, they should also talk about white on white crime. Or they should just realize diverting the argument to that crap adage is either an ignorant ploy by someone trying to win an argument or... kind of racist. Yes, crime does tend to be high in minority communities in this country. Oddly enough, poverty tends to be rather high there too. But folks looking at the situation always seem to forget that economic depression tends to bring with it criminal activity.

Have a look at the data if you don't think white on white crime is a thing: https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expanded_homicide_data_table_6_murder_race_and_sex_of_vicitm_by_race_and_sex_of_offender_2013.xls

Most crimes against Whites are committed by other Whites, true. The difference between White on White crime and Black on Black crime is that Black on Black crime happens WAY MORE OFTEN. and that's before you taken into consideration that there are SEVEN TIMES AS MANY WHITE PEOPLE AS BLACK PEOPLE.

It's like if there were 10 White people murdered, 9 of them by White people. Meanwhile there were 100 Black people murdered, 90 of them by Black people, and you said "hey, the rate of crimes being interracial is 90% in both cases! There's no difference!"

[Wisconsin+17]

The crime stats show something like black people are 27 times as likely to be victimized by a black man than a white man - when accounting for the differences in population and the rate of crime.

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

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trite and predictable. get some new material, guys.

[Famous Mortimer]

Black activists used to talk about it but now they actually can't anymore. They get labeled Uncle Toms. Look at the reaction Spike Lee got when he made a movie about Black on Black violence. When Spike Lee is a White supremacist, that's when you now accusations of racism have lost all meaning.

[Famous Mortimer]

Furthermore, this is a discussion about a crime bill, if now isn't an acceptable time to discuss the nature of crime, when is? This wasn't BLM protesting about someone getting shot (then you might have a point about deflection), this was literally BLM protesting about a crime bill.

[Shadows]

Again you see Clinton hacks, these pathetic people with no morals who 0 ideology & would frame & change views to support Hillary. Disgraceful people.

I actually support Bill here - The Crime Bill's impact IMO is exaggerated & for sure that was not in Bill's mind when he went with it.

I condemn some of Bill's actions like that capital punishment he gave initially & so on. He did some bad stuff but those were not probably bad in intent or malicious. And the whole idea of Bill being blamed for all problems IMO is ridiculous.

I would have fought if I am him as well - I see no major wrongdoings from him

[Clarko95 📚💰📈]

The idea that this will hurt the Clintons with the black vote is very unlikely.

According to Pew, a majority of black Americans agree with the goals of BLM. As exit polling has shown, a greater percentage of blacks have voted for Hillary than the number who agree with BLM. I would bet good money that a large portion, if not an actual majority, of BLM supporters also support Hillary.

The reason the same black political leaders support the goals of BLM and also support the Clintons is because they understand that you can criticize the bad parts of the 1994 crime bill and also criticize the people who are protesting Bill Clinton while also supporting policing & sentencing reforms. They know that most of the crime bill was actually a good thing, especially the billions provided for inner-city investment and anti-crime policies combined with the billions for urban renewal projects, that has led to the crime rate falling by nearly half since 1992, even if some people got longer sentences than was necessary. They understand that politicians can learn from their mistakes, that the negative side effects of the crime bill were not born out of malice, and that you don't always get what you want. They simply don't agree with these particular BLM protestors that Bill Clinton is somehow responsible for mass incarceration (something that has been disproven time and time again), even if they agree with BLM's general goals.

Stop thinking in such black-and-white terms, Jesus people.

[MIKESOWELL]

But more to the point, Bill Clinton is absolutely right. Most of the shootings that occur in black neighborhoods in big cities are committed by blacks, yet Black Lives Matter seems to focus mostly on police shootings. If not for the crime bill there would be even more crime in black neighborhoods. There were black members of Congress who voted for that bill, because it really was necessary.

I think that the reason why Black Lives Matter focuses on the police shootings.....is because.....unlike the "black on black killings," the police officers actually GET AWAY with murder....that could be it possibly....I don't know.

[Famous Mortimer]

But more to the point, Bill Clinton is absolutely right. Most of the shootings that occur in black neighborhoods in big cities are committed by blacks, yet Black Lives Matter seems to focus mostly on police shootings. If not for the crime bill there would be even more crime in black neighborhoods. There were black members of Congress who voted for that bill, because it really was necessary.

I think that the reason why Black Lives Matter focuses on the police shootings.....is because.....unlike the "black on black killings," the police officers actually GET AWAY with murder....that could be it possibly....I don't know.

Sure and I agree often times concern for Black on Black crime is used as a distraction. Two things though:

1) The protesters in this instance were not talking about a police shooting. They were talking about a crime bill. Bill Clinton was not changing the subject. He was addressing it directly.

2) Seriously, a lot of activists are now denying Black on Black violence is a problem at all. They insist it's made up by Fox News and White supremacist power structure. They say "most crimes are intra-racial, regardless of race" Which as I pointed out above, ignores the fact that intra-racial Black violence happens way way more than intra-racial White violence,  even before you take into consideration proportionality, and then it's mind blowingly out of control.

[The Mikado]

I want to bring back the party of Huey Long, and I don't think there's much debate whether Huey Long should've been a Republican.

A. I'm very confused what Jim Webb and Huey Long have in common.

B. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLyfrb15v-Q

Long might be a Republican today, but only because he was about increasing his own personal power first and foremost and would need to be part of whatever party is dominant in Louisiana to do so. He wasn't an idiot who would beat his head against the wall trying to get elected by a dead party like the Louisiana Democrats (current governor aside). That aside, I imagine he'd use that exact same line he did in that video up there today. Huey Long wasn't exactly a party kind of guy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hphgHi6FD8k

Listen to him here. "According to our estimates 4% of Americans own over 85% of the wealth of Americans and over 70% of Americans don't owe enough to pay the debts that they owe." That's Bernie Sanders talk that wouldn't go over well in a GOP primary at all. He goes into this big rant about how unjust it is for the wealthy to accumulate so much wealth that they can't even spend it in a lifetime.

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It's amazing how BLM outlived its usefulness for all the Hillary hacks to use it as a weapon to try to imply that Bernie had a race problem. They never gave a sh**t about BLM.

[SillyAmerican]

Sure and I agree often times concern for Black on Black crime is used as a distraction. Two things though:

1) The protesters in this instance were not talking about a police shooting. They were talking about a crime bill. Bill Clinton was not changing the subject. He was addressing it directly.

2) Seriously, a lot of activists are now denying Black on Black violence is a problem at all. They insist it's made up by Fox News and White supremacist power structure. They say "most crimes are intra-racial, regardless of race" Which as I pointed out above, ignores the fact that intra-racial Black violence happens way way more than intra-racial White violence,  even before you take into consideration proportionality, and then it's mind blowingly out of control.

Yes, and one other thing: if a Republican had made the exact same comments that Bill Clinton made, don't you think the screams about the racist right would be deafening by now? Yes, President Clinton was talking specifically about a crime bill, but if someone from the GOP tried to do the same, it simply wouldn't be allowed. So much for political discourse, I suppose...

[KingSweden]

The idea that this will hurt the Clintons with the black vote is very unlikely.

According to Pew, a majority of black Americans agree with the goals of BLM. As exit polling has shown, a greater percentage of blacks have voted for Hillary than the number who agree with BLM. I would bet good money that a large portion, if not an actual majority, of BLM supporters also support Hillary.

The reason the same black political leaders support the goals of BLM and also support the Clintons is because they understand that you can criticize the bad parts of the 1994 crime bill and also criticize the people who are protesting Bill Clinton while also supporting policing & sentencing reforms. They know that most of the crime bill was actually a good thing, especially the billions provided for inner-city investment and anti-crime policies combined with the billions for urban renewal projects, that has led to the crime rate falling by nearly half since 1992, even if some people got longer sentences than was necessary. They understand that politicians can learn from their mistakes, that the negative side effects of the crime bill were not born out of malice, and that you don't always get what you want. They simply don't agree with these particular BLM protestors that Bill Clinton is somehow responsible for mass incarceration (something that has been disproven time and time again), even if they agree with BLM's general goals.

Stop thinking in such black-and-white terms, Jesus people.

Clark, as always, you are my blood pressure medication on this board. Every time I read the vitriol and arguments flying around and get all agitated, and then I read one of your posts and I become calm again. Thank you.

[IceSpear]

She will get 92%+ of the black vote no matter what Bill says or does.

b-b-b-ut the white kids on Reddit and Twitter telling the darks why they're stupid and uneducated and should hate the neoliberal harpy bitch will surely turn the tide! Remember how successful the #WhichHillary campaign was? It was so successful she only won SC by 50 points!