Why did Sanders only get 55.7% in Wyoming?
       |           

Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?
April 19, 2024, 12:47:42 AM
News: Election Simulator 2.0 Released. Senate/Gubernatorial maps, proportional electoral votes, and more - Read more

  Talk Elections
  Election Archive
  Election Archive
  2016 U.S. Presidential Election
  Why did Sanders only get 55.7% in Wyoming?
« previous next »
Pages: [1] 2
Author Topic: Why did Sanders only get 55.7% in Wyoming?  (Read 2385 times)
Blue3
Starwatcher
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 12,050
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« on: April 09, 2016, 07:06:32 PM »

Why did Sanders only get 55.7% in Wyoming?

I think everyone was expecting another 70%+ landslide.



Are things like
-"she's not qualified"
-his superdelegate strategy
-his NY Daily News interview
etc.

finally starting to stick to him?
Logged
dspNY
Sr. Member
****
Posts: 2,840
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2016, 07:09:52 PM »

That plus it was a closed caucus without same day registration (the biggie) plus absentee caucusing was allowed.

The closed nature of the caucus is a huge warning for Bernie in the closed Northeast primaries. It sets a ceiling of the % of white vote he can win in the Northeast/Mid Atlantic primaries which will almost certainly not be enough to win
Logged
Joe Biden is your president. Deal with it.
diskymike44
Sr. Member
****
Posts: 2,831


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2016, 07:20:41 PM »

It's beginning of the end for Bernie.
Logged
Ebowed
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 18,597


Political Matrix
E: 4.13, S: 2.09

WWW Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #3 on: April 09, 2016, 07:24:55 PM »

Why does the frontrunner keep losing?
Logged
Landslide Lyndon
px75
Atlas Star
*****
Posts: 26,795
Greece


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #4 on: April 09, 2016, 07:25:45 PM »

Why does the frontrunner keep losing?

Reince, is that you?
Logged
The Other Castro
Castro2020
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 11,230
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #5 on: April 09, 2016, 07:26:21 PM »

Though it's an underperformance, I think someone a year ago would be confused by this thread title.
Logged
Figueira
84285
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 12,175


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #6 on: April 09, 2016, 07:27:45 PM »

It's beginning of the end for Bernie.

No.
Logged
Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 58,073
United States


Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #7 on: April 09, 2016, 07:38:11 PM »

Absentee ballots and this being a closed caucus.
Logged
Xing
xingkerui
Atlas Superstar
*****
Posts: 30,303
United States


Political Matrix
E: -6.52, S: -3.91

P P P
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #8 on: April 09, 2016, 08:03:14 PM »

It could be that he's not nearly as popular in the plains as he is in the NW. If you look at the results from Nebraska, these results don't look that strange.
Logged
/
darthebearnc
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 7,367
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #9 on: April 09, 2016, 08:05:07 PM »

It could be that he's not nearly as popular in the plains as he is in the NW. If you look at the results from Nebraska, these results don't look that strange.

This.
Logged
Shadows
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 4,956
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #10 on: April 09, 2016, 08:07:04 PM »

I think he didn't campaign hard & could not get a turnout as expected. His supporters thought he probably would have won easily & didn't turnout
Logged
izixs
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 1,276
United States


Political Matrix
E: -8.31, S: -6.51

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #11 on: April 09, 2016, 08:08:01 PM »

Small number statistics. When you only have a few delegates for a county/precinct, you need to get very high percentages of caucus goers to support you to get that extra delegate. If a county has two delegates and you're getting 68% in the caucus there, assuming the viability threshold is say 30%, both Clinton and Sanders will get one delegate. And thus a 68/32 split turns into a 50/50. This can also work against Clinton too of course, but given the overall results its more likely to have helped Clinton more than hurt.
Logged
Senate Minority Leader Lord Voldemort
Joshua
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 1,710
United States


Political Matrix
E: -4.52, S: -5.91

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #12 on: April 09, 2016, 08:10:14 PM »

I think he didn't campaign hard & could not get a turnout as expected. His supporters thought he probably would have won easily & didn't turnout

Sanders does best when the turnout is lowest (caucuses). The more people that cast votes (in this case, absentee) the better Clinton performs.
Logged
Skye
yeah_93
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 4,580
Venezuela


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #13 on: April 09, 2016, 08:10:47 PM »

Though it's an underperformance, I think someone a year ago would be confused by this thread title.
lol ain't this the truth. I remember saying Bernie would only win NH. What a time to be alive.
Logged
dspNY
Sr. Member
****
Posts: 2,840
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #14 on: April 09, 2016, 08:43:48 PM »

Small number statistics. When you only have a few delegates for a county/precinct, you need to get very high percentages of caucus goers to support you to get that extra delegate. If a county has two delegates and you're getting 68% in the caucus there, assuming the viability threshold is say 30%, both Clinton and Sanders will get one delegate. And thus a 68/32 split turns into a 50/50. This can also work against Clinton too of course, but given the overall results its more likely to have helped Clinton more than hurt.

There were raw vote totals and Sanders won about 57.5% of the raw vote and 56% of the delegates. This hurt him slightly but nowhere to the extent you are mentioning
Logged
morgieb
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 9,636
Australia


Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -8.70

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #15 on: April 09, 2016, 08:43:49 PM »

Probably because there were like 20 voters.
Logged
Ebsy
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 8,001
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #16 on: April 09, 2016, 08:53:00 PM »

It seems like Clinton's exceptional surrogate ballot ground game was the biggest factor, along with the caucus being closed. Clinton did similarly well in Nebraska, which also allowed absentee votes.
Logged
Ebowed
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 18,597


Political Matrix
E: 4.13, S: 2.09

WWW Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #17 on: April 09, 2016, 09:23:01 PM »

I think he didn't campaign hard & could not get a turnout as expected. His supporters thought he probably would have won easily & didn't turnout

Sanders does best when the turnout is lowest (caucuses). The more people that cast votes (in this case, absentee) the better Clinton performs.

Sanders does best when the turnout is lowest (caucuses) unless the turnout is even lower (closed caucus). Tongue
Logged
Lyin' Steve
SteveMcQueen
Sr. Member
****
Posts: 3,310


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #18 on: April 10, 2016, 08:06:24 AM »

Now we know why he was out campaigning in Wyoming these last few days.  Must have had internal polling showing it really tight.
Logged
ottermax
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 1,799
United States


Political Matrix
E: -6.58, S: -6.09

P P
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #19 on: April 10, 2016, 08:58:29 AM »

Maybe Democrats are also more moderate in Wyoming?

Colorado, Idaho, and Utah all have sizable urban areas, ski resorts, and college campuses that provide more left-wing voters for the Democrats. These states are also less oil/gas dependent. If I remember correctly Wyoming voters are on average some of the most conservative in the country even compared to the Deep South.
Logged
Sprouts Farmers Market ✘
Sprouts
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 14,764
Italy


Political Matrix
E: -4.90, S: 1.74

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #20 on: April 10, 2016, 09:46:37 AM »

Maybe Democrats are also more moderate in Wyoming?

Colorado, Idaho, and Utah all have sizable urban areas, ski resorts, and college campuses that provide more left-wing voters for the Democrats. These states are also less oil/gas dependent. If I remember correctly Wyoming voters are on average some of the most conservative in the country even compared to the Deep South.

Oklahoma moderates loved Bernie. He draws a ton from the moderate wing of the party.
Logged
Attorney General, LGC Speaker, and Former PPT Dwarven Dragon
Dwarven Dragon
Atlas Politician
Atlas Superstar
*****
Posts: 31,685
United States


Political Matrix
E: -1.42, S: -0.52

P P P

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #21 on: April 10, 2016, 10:23:38 AM »

Maybe Democrats are also more moderate in Wyoming?

Colorado, Idaho, and Utah all have sizable urban areas, ski resorts, and college campuses that provide more left-wing voters for the Democrats. These states are also less oil/gas dependent. If I remember correctly Wyoming voters are on average some of the most conservative in the country even compared to the Deep South.

Oklahoma moderates loved Bernie. He draws a ton from the moderate wing of the party.

Those were "dixiecrats" - people who are still registered as Democrat for local race purposes but vote straight ticket R otherwise. Oklahoma isn't an open primary or same-day registration state, so they simply voted against the "party establishment".
Logged
MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!
Kalwejt
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 57,380


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #22 on: April 10, 2016, 10:28:40 AM »

Maybe Democrats are also more moderate in Wyoming?

Colorado, Idaho, and Utah all have sizable urban areas, ski resorts, and college campuses that provide more left-wing voters for the Democrats. These states are also less oil/gas dependent. If I remember correctly Wyoming voters are on average some of the most conservative in the country even compared to the Deep South.

Oklahoma moderates loved Bernie. He draws a ton from the moderate wing of the party.

Those were "dixiecrats" - people who are still registered as Democrat for local race purposes but vote straight ticket R otherwise. Oklahoma isn't an open primary or same-day registration state, so they simply voted against the "party establishment".

Very true. Oklahoma Democrats are not in love with Bernie's agenda. They didn't vote for him but against Hillary, whom they perceive as Obama's continuation. This is the only reason they could flip from Randall fycking Terry to a self-described socialist in one cycle.
Logged
ProudModerate2
Atlas Star
*****
Posts: 20,449
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #23 on: April 10, 2016, 12:49:28 PM »

I actually thought he would win it by a larger margin.
Maybe his support has now peaked.
Logged
Smash255
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 15,450


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #24 on: April 10, 2016, 01:15:00 PM »

Small number statistics. When you only have a few delegates for a county/precinct, you need to get very high percentages of caucus goers to support you to get that extra delegate. If a county has two delegates and you're getting 68% in the caucus there, assuming the viability threshold is say 30%, both Clinton and Sanders will get one delegate. And thus a 68/32 split turns into a 50/50. This can also work against Clinton too of course, but given the overall results its more likely to have helped Clinton more than hurt.

There were raw vote totals and Sanders won about 57.5% of the raw vote and 56% of the delegates. This hurt him slightly but nowhere to the extent you are mentioning

That would have resulted in a 8-6 delegate advantage instead of 7-7.  With that being said, one simple answer is simply there aren't that many liberals in Wyoming.  Even in some of the other heavily GOP states in the region, there are at least some areas that are fairly liberal.
Logged
Pages: [1] 2  
« previous next »
Jump to:  


Login with username, password and session length

Terms of Service - DMCA Agent and Policy - Privacy Policy and Cookies

Powered by SMF 1.1.21 | SMF © 2015, Simple Machines

Page created in 0.06 seconds with 14 queries.