NDP Leadership Convention 2017

[Holmes]

I find it interesting that the NDP might be optimistic enough to think Canadians will elect a brown guy Prime Minister.

Are we not supposed to say that? I have no faith in our people whatsoever.

The locals from my native Timmins-James Bay wouldn't be so hot on him, and it's an NDP stronghold.

[Hatman 🍁]

Jagmeet would be a huge gamble, but a necessary one with Trudeau sucking up the 'cool progressive' vote.

Racism definitely exists in Canada, and racism against first nations especially is a huge problem, and has been considered to be even worse than racism against Blacks in the US. While racism exists against Sikhs, it comes from the same kind of people who were racist against Obama. Didn't stop him from getting elected, eh?

Also remember, we're probably not picking the next prime minister here, we're picking someone who can bring enthusiasm back to the party after it was sucked up by lil' Justin against a not too exciting Mulcair.

[DC Al Fine]

Jagmeet would be a huge gamble, but a necessary one with Trudeau sucking up the 'cool progressive' vote.

Is Jagmeet flawless and beautiful enough to take on Trudeau though?

[Hatman 🍁]

You better believe it!

[adma]

I find it interesting that the NDP might be optimistic enough to think Canadians will elect a brown guy Prime Minister.

Are we not supposed to say that? I have no faith in our people whatsoever.

The locals from my native Timmins-James Bay wouldn't be so hot on him, and it's an NDP stronghold.

Then again, your representative is the chief competition.

(And come to think of it, re Hatman's comment:  wouldn't Charlie Angus represent an earthier kind of "cool progressivism"?)

[DL]

I like everything about Charlie Angus...except his French is no where near good enough

[DL]

I like everything about Charlie Angus...except his French is no where near good enough

[VPH]

I like everything about Charlie Angus...except his French is no where near good enough

He represents one of the most Francophone ridings in Ontario. I think he's good in that regard. Love him!

[DL]

I like everything about Charlie Angus...except his French is no where near good enough

He represents one of the most Francophone ridings in Ontario. I think he's good in that regard. Love him!

The fact that Angus represents a heavily francophone riding in northern Ontario makes it even more inexplicable and inexcusable that his French is as bad as it is.

[Barnes]

Apologies if this has been discussed recently, but has the Leap Manfiesto cropped up much in the course of the race?

[King of Kensington]

Not directly, but Angus implicitly attacked it in the first debate, while Julian and Ashton seem very much on board with it.

[Barnes]

Not directly, but Angus implicitly attacked it in the first debate, while Julian and Ashton seem very much on board with it.

Interesting, thanks for sharing. Pretty typical stance from those three.

[MaxQue]

Indeed, LEAP would destroy Timmins-James Bay economy (throug, one could argue it would destroy the entire Canadian economy).

[DL]

To me Leap is just a platudinous statement of principles most of which are just sentiments, e,g, we must do more for poor people and First Nations and we need in invest more in renewable energy etc.) we can debate whether it's good politics or not but I don't see how the economy of Timmins lives or dies based on some vague motherhood sentiments - most of which the federal Liberal government has already implicitly agreed to by signing the Paris agreement

[DC Al Fine]

To me Leap is just a platudinous statement of principles most of which are just sentiments, e,g, we must do more for poor people and First Nations and we need in invest more in renewable energy etc.) we can debate whether it's good politics or not but I don't see how the economy of Timmins lives or dies based on some vague motherhood sentiments - most of which the federal Liberal government has already implicitly agreed to by signing the Paris agreement

It's not hard to connect the dots from platitudes to policies though. Leap's platitudes are anti-resource extraction, so it follows that it's supporters policies would be too if they ever formed government. If one's livelihood depends on resource extraction, one can hardly be blamed for opposing Leap.

[lilTommy]

Looks like there is another Candidate that has stepped in; Ibrahim Bruno El-Khoury

http://ipolitics.ca/2017/04/06/fifth-candidate-registers-to-enter-ndp-leadership-race-to-replace-mulcair/ - paywall article.

Found a blog as well - http://ibelkhoury.blogspot.com/2015/08/publications.html

[MAINEiac4434]

Looks like there is another Candidate that has stepped in; Ibrahim Bruno El-Khoury

http://ipolitics.ca/2017/04/06/fifth-candidate-registers-to-enter-ndp-leadership-race-to-replace-mulcair/ - paywall article.

Found a blog as well - http://ibelkhoury.blogspot.com/2015/08/publications.html

Considering I can find literally nothing on this guy, I doubt he even makes the ballot.

[DL]

To me Leap is just a platudinous statement of principles most of which are just sentiments, e,g, we must do more for poor people and First Nations and we need in invest more in renewable energy etc.) we can debate whether it's good politics or not but I don't see how the economy of Timmins lives or dies based on some vague motherhood sentiments - most of which the federal Liberal government has already implicitly agreed to by signing the Paris agreement

It's not hard to connect the dots from platitudes to policies though. Leap's platitudes are anti-resource extraction, so it follows that it's supporters policies would be too if they ever formed government. If one's livelihood depends on resource extraction, one can hardly be blamed for opposing Leap.

If you take that view than shouldn't anyone working in resource extraction also reject the Paris Agretany Canadian government policies that commit to major bugs in GHG emissions? If we actually wanted to meet our commitments we would pretty much have to bring in Leap style policies!

[136or142]

Looks like there is another Candidate that has stepped in; Ibrahim Bruno El-Khoury

http://ipolitics.ca/2017/04/06/fifth-candidate-registers-to-enter-ndp-leadership-race-to-replace-mulcair/ - paywall article.

Found a blog as well - http://ibelkhoury.blogspot.com/2015/08/publications.html

Yes!  If he gets the money and the signatures to run this will be the leadership race where a (virtually) complete unknown ran.

1975: Douglas Campbell (challenged David Lewis for the leadership in 1972 or 1973.)
1989: Roger Lagasse
1995: Hershel Hardin (ran for the NDP federally in Delta in 1993 - and in 1997) Did not make the ballot after failing to get the threshold vote in the 'primaries'
2003: Bev Meslo (a 'prominent' member of the NDP 'Socialist Caucus')
2012:Martin Singh - only one of these fringe candidates who did not come in last on the first ballot.

[DC Al Fine]

To me Leap is just a platudinous statement of principles most of which are just sentiments, e,g, we must do more for poor people and First Nations and we need in invest more in renewable energy etc.) we can debate whether it's good politics or not but I don't see how the economy of Timmins lives or dies based on some vague motherhood sentiments - most of which the federal Liberal government has already implicitly agreed to by signing the Paris agreement

It's not hard to connect the dots from platitudes to policies though. Leap's platitudes are anti-resource extraction, so it follows that it's supporters policies would be too if they ever formed government. If one's livelihood depends on resource extraction, one can hardly be blamed for opposing Leap.

If you take that view than shouldn't anyone working in resource extraction also reject the Paris Agretany Canadian government policies that commit to major bugs in GHG emissions? If we actually wanted to meet our commitments we would pretty much have to bring in Leap style policies!

DL I think you are making a rookie mistake for political nerds like us; assuming that politics is logical, and that the average party member (much less average Joe) follows politics as much as us.

What % of Charlie Angus's EDA do you think:
a) Knows what policies are required to make the Paris agreement work?
b) Is even aware of the Paris agreement?

I'd wager next to no one for a, and not very many for b.  It's far easier to make a snap judgment on Leap.

[MaxQue]

I'm unclear what mines in Timmins-James Bay have to do with Paris Agreement.

Oil extraction and transportation are a target, not so much mineral mining.

[Holmes]

I like everything about Charlie Angus...except his French is no where near good enough

He represents one of the most Francophone ridings in Ontario. I think he's good in that regard. Love him!

Mm. He's ok. Which I think is the general consensus on him in the riding. He's probably least popular in Timmins itself considering it's the most right-leaning part of the riding.

[toaster]

I find it interesting that the NDP might be optimistic enough to think Canadians will elect a brown guy Prime Minister.

Are we not supposed to say that? I have no faith in our people whatsoever.

The locals from my native Timmins-James Bay wouldn't be so hot on him, and it's an NDP stronghold.

What makes you say this?  I also grew up in Timmins, and tend to disagree with you.  Of course, Angus would probably be their first choice because he is the local MP, but TJ-B is very much an NDP stronghold, like you mentioned.  Singh is very pro union, and supports many of the "left-populist" issues that Northern Ontario NDP supports agree with.

[adma]

I like everything about Charlie Angus...except his French is no where near good enough

He represents one of the most Francophone ridings in Ontario. I think he's good in that regard. Love him!

Mm. He's ok. Which I think is the general consensus on him in the riding. He's probably least popular in Timmins itself considering it's the most right-leaning part of the riding.

Not so much "most right-leaning" as "least populist"--sort of an "urban thing" (think of Sudbury vs Nickel Belt)

[RogueBeaver]

Boulerice endorses Julian.