NDP Leadership Convention 2017

[adma]

Who in the NDP is as left as Corbyn and actually has a legitimate chance of winning?

Peter Kormos would have been.

[adma]

Because John Diefenbaker tried that 50 years ago, and you had the pathetic spectacle of an incumbent leader and former PM being in 5th on the first ballot. More recently, Preston Manning and Stockwell Day got crushed when they ran to succeed themselves.

And don't forget Joe Clark in 1983.

[Poirot]

I wish Ruth Ellen Brosseau, noted badass, was old and established enough to run.

She cried after the result of the leadership review.
In a local paper last week she said she is not closing the door on a leadership run one day but not in the short term.

[DL]

I kind of wish Mulcair would run. We haven't had that kind of leadership convention in a long time and I think it would be entertaining.

We just had it in Manitoba when selling era ran to succeed him self and (unfortunately) won.

[Hatman 🍁]

Can Jagmeet Singh speak French? He would make a good leader... he'd be like the Barack Obama of Canada. There are enough racists in the country to keep him from leading the NDP to victory, but I think there are enough progressives that would fall in love with his candidacy, and might just be the right person to assure the party stays relevant. Also, might be key to winning immigrant votes.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

I wish Ruth Ellen Brosseau, noted badass, was old and established enough to run.

She cried after the result of the leadership review.

Crying doesn't mean she's not a badass.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Further confirms that she's very human. Excellent. Endorsed.

[Poirot]

I wish Ruth Ellen Brosseau, noted badass, was old and established enough to run.

She cried after the result of the leadership review.

Crying doesn't mean she's not a badass.

I used your quote as introduction to write about what I have read about her recently and the leadership question. My intention was not to debate or contradict your comment. Sorry for creating misunderstanding.

[DL]

Can Jagmeet Singh speak French? He would make a good leader... he'd be like the Barack Obama of Canada. There are enough racists in the country to keep him from leading the NDP to victory, but I think there are enough progressives that would fall in love with his candidacy, and might just be the right person to assure the party stays relevant. Also, might be key to winning immigrant votes.

In answer to your question YES Jagmeet Singh used to live in Montreal and speaks beautiful French (as well as English and Punjabi)

[lilTommy]

The ONDPs loss for sure if he were to run. He also represents a suburban riding in the 905 which is strategic if the NDP wants to win more then just urban core ridings in ON... He also can rival Trudeau on the "youth, looks and Charisma" side of things which the media eats up

[DL]

Jagmeet would likely be a shoe in to succeed Andrea Horwath as ONDP leader after 2018 (or if a miracle happened and the ONDP won that election he would be a senior cabinet minister)...the only reason i could see for why he might want to go federal is that i hear he is personally much more interested in federal than provincial issues.

[136or142]

Jagmeet would likely be a shoe in to succeed Andrea Horwath as ONDP leader after 2018 (or if a miracle happened and the ONDP won that election he would be a senior cabinet minister)...the only reason i could see for why he might want to go federal is that i hear he is personally much more interested in federal than provincial issues.

Isn't he also the New Democrat that joined the idiotic protests against the changes to sex education?

[King of Kensington]

Unfortunately, yes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMGQZSecdFc

It's mostly in Panjabi so I can't understand what he's saying but he's speaking to an anti-sex ed group.

[Hatman 🍁]

Jagmeet would likely be a shoe in to succeed Andrea Horwath as ONDP leader after 2018 (or if a miracle happened and the ONDP won that election he would be a senior cabinet minister)...the only reason i could see for why he might want to go federal is that i hear he is personally much more interested in federal than provincial issues.

Isn't he also the New Democrat that joined the idiotic protests against the changes to sex education?

Oh, right. Well, he fits right into the religious left I guess, which is certainly an NDP faction. Sikhism is generally a progressive religion, but it's not perfect.

Jagmeet would likely be a shoe in to succeed Andrea Horwath as ONDP leader after 2018 (or if a miracle happened and the ONDP won that election he would be a senior cabinet minister)...the only reason i could see for why he might want to go federal is that i hear he is personally much more interested in federal than provincial issues.

Well he did run federally first.

[Boston Bread]

I wouldn't care much about Jagmeet's sex ed quirk myself, but the types of Liberals we'd need to win over to make gains would be aghast.

[Hatman 🍁]

NDP leadership campaigns aren't typically very nasty; I doubt the issue will come up. And if the Liberals bring it up, it would reek of cultural insensitivity.

[DL]

Unfortunately, yes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMGQZSecdFc

It's mostly in Panjabi so I can't understand what he's saying but he's speaking to an anti-sex ed group.

As I recall, all he said was that the government should have done more community consultations on the curriculum rather than imposing it from on high. He never actually said he was opposed to the substance of the sex ed reforms.

[136or142]

Unfortunately, yes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMGQZSecdFc

It's mostly in Panjabi so I can't understand what he's saying but he's speaking to an anti-sex ed group.

As I recall, all he said was that the government should have done more community consultations on the curriculum rather than imposing it from on high. He never actually said he was opposed to the substance of the sex ed reforms.

The government did considerable consultations and the opponents of the reforms could never say what they opposed other basically 'sex is icky and we don't want our innocent children to learn about it.'

If Singh said that, then he's a liar and should not be considered for leader.

Also, when people say "the government didn't consult widely enough" or "we weren't consulted" it's really means "they didn't do what we wanted them to do."

So, either Jagmeet Singh is lying or he's pandering.  Not unheard of in a politician, but not leadership material either.

[DL]

When you are an opposition politician and the government of the day brings in a policy that is wildly unpopular in the riding you represent - but where you and your party are actually supportive of the substance of that policy - then the logical thing to do it is to attack the government for incompetently managing the issue and failing to bring stakeholders onside etc...

[136or142]

When you are an opposition politician and the government of the day brings in a policy that is wildly unpopular in the riding you represent - but where you and your party are actually supportive of the substance of that policy - then the logical thing to do it is to attack the government for incompetently managing the issue and failing to bring stakeholders onside etc...

1.I don't know that it was wildly unpopular in his riding, just that the loudest voices were against it.

2.I can see your broader point, but I don't think that necessary includes him giving speeches in front of those loud voices.  He could have spoken against it in the legislature without being seen to endorse the opponents, and, therefore, pandering to them.

[lilTommy]

When you are an opposition politician and the government of the day brings in a policy that is wildly unpopular in the riding you represent - but where you and your party are actually supportive of the substance of that policy - then the logical thing to do it is to attack the government for incompetently managing the issue and failing to bring stakeholders onside etc...

Jagmeet was in a "no real win" situation and I think he handled it well; he did not come out against something he/the party supports and was able to push the concerns of his constituents. He did get some push back from some members of the party I saw but nothing that would harm him to any extent.

... for some reason I just saw Darrell Dexter's name floated/mentioned as possibility? hmmm not sure on that one but he does have government experience...

BTW here is how the government consulted on the changes at the time:

"One parent in each publicly funded school in the province, usually a parent council chair, was provided a survey late last year. While the survey asked questions about educational priorities and what sources of information are trusted in forming curriculum, it did not ask parents specifically what they feel should be included in the sexual education curriculum or use many of the specific terms and concepts that have upset some parents.
The government says the survey was distributed to some 4,000 individual parents and that the Ministry of Education also consulted widely with various parent groups. The government also says the new curriculum has been designed by experts in order to equip students for the realities of modern society" http://www.cp24.com/news/what-you-need-to-know-about-ontario-s-new-sexual-education-curriculum-1.2369847

[136or142]

When you are an opposition politician and the government of the day brings in a policy that is wildly unpopular in the riding you represent - but where you and your party are actually supportive of the substance of that policy - then the logical thing to do it is to attack the government for incompetently managing the issue and failing to bring stakeholders onside etc...

Jagmeet was in a "no real win" situation and I think he handled it well; he did not come out against something he/the party supports and was able to push the concerns of his constituents. He did get some push back from some members of the party I saw but nothing that would harm him to any extent.

... for some reason I just saw Darrell Dexter's name floated/mentioned as possibility? hmmm not sure on that one but he does have government experience...

BTW here is how the government consulted on the changes at the time:

"One parent in each publicly funded school in the province, usually a parent council chair, was provided a survey late last year. While the survey asked questions about educational priorities and what sources of information are trusted in forming curriculum, it did not ask parents specifically what they feel should be included in the sexual education curriculum or use many of the specific terms and concepts that have upset some parents.
The government says the survey was distributed to some 4,000 individual parents and that the Ministry of Education also consulted widely with various parent groups. The government also says the new curriculum has been designed by experts in order to equip students for the realities of modern society" http://www.cp24.com/news/what-you-need-to-know-about-ontario-s-new-sexual-education-curriculum-1.2369847

I think that is pretty broad consultations.  Again, the only people who complained their wasn't enough consultations were the ones who were really saying 'they didn't do what we wanted.'

I think the NDP will want a candidate from the Atlantic region, but not Dexter.   If Maureen MacDonald gets back to being fully healthy, she could be a strong candidate.  Certainly no worse than any other provincial politician, like Jagmeet Singh.

[lilTommy]

When you are an opposition politician and the government of the day brings in a policy that is wildly unpopular in the riding you represent - but where you and your party are actually supportive of the substance of that policy - then the logical thing to do it is to attack the government for incompetently managing the issue and failing to bring stakeholders onside etc...

Jagmeet was in a "no real win" situation and I think he handled it well; he did not come out against something he/the party supports and was able to push the concerns of his constituents. He did get some push back from some members of the party I saw but nothing that would harm him to any extent.

... for some reason I just saw Darrell Dexter's name floated/mentioned as possibility? hmmm not sure on that one but he does have government experience...

BTW here is how the government consulted on the changes at the time:

"One parent in each publicly funded school in the province, usually a parent council chair, was provided a survey late last year. While the survey asked questions about educational priorities and what sources of information are trusted in forming curriculum, it did not ask parents specifically what they feel should be included in the sexual education curriculum or use many of the specific terms and concepts that have upset some parents.
The government says the survey was distributed to some 4,000 individual parents and that the Ministry of Education also consulted widely with various parent groups. The government also says the new curriculum has been designed by experts in order to equip students for the realities of modern society" http://www.cp24.com/news/what-you-need-to-know-about-ontario-s-new-sexual-education-curriculum-1.2369847

I think that is pretty broad consultations.  Again, the only people who complained their wasn't enough consultations were the ones who were really saying 'they didn't do what we wanted.'

I think the NDP will want a candidate from the Atlantic region, but not Dexter.   If Maureen MacDonald gets back to being fully healthy, she could be a strong candidate.  Certainly no worse than any other provincial politician, like Jagmeet Singh.

If an Atlantic candidate steps forward, I think Megan Leslie would have the most appeal/best shot to members.

[Hatman 🍁]

If Megan Leslie is out, than perhaps Yvon Godin as an Atlantic candidate?

Dexter would be a disaster. He is the Bob Rae of Nova Scotia.

[lilTommy]

If Megan Leslie is out, than perhaps Yvon Godin as an Atlantic candidate?

Dexter would be a disaster. He is the Bob Rae of Nova Scotia.

Maybe, but he retired last year so I doubt he'd come back. Stoffer has already said no, Harris or Chisholm?, maybe. I think the problem with Harris and Chisholm is their lack of French, Chisholm admitted it last time and bowed out.