NDP Leadership Convention 2017

[RogueBeaver]

Presumably if Singh's elected he lets Boulerice take the lead in Outremont. Still bummed that Dion denied us the Justin-Mulcair race we deserved a decade ago.

[DL]

Don't count on Mulcair resigning his seat in Outremont before the 2019 election. Apparently he has no job lined up yet and may prefer to be the elder statesman ex-leader for two more years and make a good salary

[mileslunn]

Don't count on Mulcair resigning his seat in Outremont before the 2019 election. Apparently he has no job lined up yet and may prefer to be the elder statesman ex-leader for two more years and make a good salary

Also there is a good chance the Liberals would pick it up so not sure the NDP will like the looks of losing a seat to the Liberals.  To be fair I think the party is likely to lose seats in Quebec.  It is British Columbia and Ontario that matter and in those two provinces I think the party has potential to make gains although in the former a lot will depend on how popular or unpopular the BC NDP government is as that could help or hinder them there.

[RogueBeaver]

Speaking of Boulerice, he'll remain neutral.

[RogueBeaver]

Crossposting Nantel on losing faith in the party and federalism, saying he might leave and sit as an indie. Hébert says he might run for the PQ next year and Ouellet for his seat.

Some of Angus' colleagues aren't yuge fans of his management style as caucus chair.

[Poirot]

Nantel will be voting for Caron. Not sure if it counts has an MP endorsement since he is talking of leacing. I think that would put Caron with the same number of MPs behind him.

[136or142]

Crossposting Nantel on losing faith in the party and federalism, saying he might leave and sit as an indie. Hébert says he might run for the PQ next year and Ouellet for his seat.

Some of Angus' colleagues aren't yuge fans of his management style as caucus chair.

Re: Angus.  It wasn't stated in the article, but does anybody agree with me that he seems to have a both a barely concealed angry side and a barely concealed nasty side to him?

He strikes me as the kind of calm and smiling person who is one step away from just exploding.

[RogueBeaver]

Nantel still criticizing Singh, though Boulerice sounds ready to work with Singh if he wins.

[DC Al Fine]

Bloc leader Martine Ouellet suggests Jagmeet Singh is too religious for Quebec

Kind of weird to see Singh attacked like Stockwell Day. Stay classy Bloc.

[Krago]

It's important to attack the legacy of centuries of Roman Catholic oppression in Quebec by passing a law that only affects Muslim women, Sikh men and some Orthodox Jews.

[DL]

Bloc leader Martine Ouellet suggests Jagmeet Singh is too religious for Quebec

Kind of weird to see Singh attacked like Stockwell Day. Stay classy Bloc.

It's very interesting to see the Bloc attack Singh over his religion because he wears a turban, but you don't hear a peep from the about Andrew Scheer's religion even though Scheer is an ultra religious catholic who opposes gay rights and is anti-abortion...but I guess as long as Scheer doesn't put anything in his head, no one cares about his religion

[lilTommy]

Bloc leader Martine Ouellet suggests Jagmeet Singh is too religious for Quebec

Kind of weird to see Singh attacked like Stockwell Day. Stay classy Bloc.

It's very interesting to see the Bloc attack Singh over his religion because he wears a turban, but you don't hear a peep from the about Andrew Scheer's religion even though Scheer is an ultra religious catholic who opposes gay rights and is anti-abortion...but I guess as long as Scheer doesn't put anything in his head, no one cares about his religion

Bingo! The likes of Scheer and Trost are huge zealots, constantly throwing their religion in people faces demanding puritan christian policies, but don't wear anything overtly religious.
Singh and lets extend this to current cabinet ministers Navdeep Bains and Harjit Sajjan (both Sikh) have not ever tried to use their Sikh believes to oppress or even forced their beliefs on others (from my knowledge but THAT would have made news), BUT hey they look different so bring the hate on.

[Hatman 🍁]

Singh is supposed to make a "big announcement" tomorrow.  May be an Ed Broadbent endorsement?

[Jeppe]

Singh is supposed to make a "big announcement" tomorrow.  May be an Ed Broadbent endorsement?

My initial thought was Olivia Chow, but the announcement is in Ottawa, so I'm not sure.

[JerryArkansas]

Bloc leader Martine Ouellet suggests Jagmeet Singh is too religious for Quebec

Kind of weird to see Singh attacked like Stockwell Day. Stay classy Bloc.

It's very interesting to see the Bloc attack Singh over his religion because he wears a turban, but you don't hear a peep from the about Andrew Scheer's religion even though Scheer is an ultra religious catholic who opposes gay rights and is anti-abortion...but I guess as long as Scheer doesn't put anything in his head, no one cares about his religion

As long as the person isn't brown it seems people don't care.

[136or142]

Bloc leader Martine Ouellet suggests Jagmeet Singh is too religious for Quebec

Kind of weird to see Singh attacked like Stockwell Day. Stay classy Bloc.

It's very interesting to see the Bloc attack Singh over his religion because he wears a turban, but you don't hear a peep from the about Andrew Scheer's religion even though Scheer is an ultra religious catholic who opposes gay rights and is anti-abortion...but I guess as long as Scheer doesn't put anything in his head, no one cares about his religion

Bingo! The likes of Scheer and Trost are huge zealots, constantly throwing their religion in people faces demanding puritan christian policies, but don't wear anything overtly religious.
Singh and lets extend this to current cabinet ministers Navdeep Bains and Harjit Sajjan (both Sikh) have not ever tried to use their Sikh believes to oppress or even forced their beliefs on others (from my knowledge but THAT would have made news), BUT hey they look different so bring the hate on.

I could certainly be wrong, but my guess is actually that the Quebec separatists didn't pay any attention to the Conservative leadership race.

[RogueBeaver]

Cullen endorsing Singh.

[adma]

Bingo! The likes of Scheer and Trost are huge zealots, constantly throwing their religion in people faces demanding puritan christian policies, but don't wear anything overtly religious.

At worst, maybe, Scheer'd be a stalking horse for the Trost/Lemieux contingent.  But on the whole, through past speakerdom et al, I think he might know well enough to be (or at least appear) reasonably pragmatic as leader--or at least, closer in operation to Rona Ambrose than to Trost/Lemieux.  (But keep in mind that "closer to" can still mean "to the right of".)

[mileslunn]

Bingo! The likes of Scheer and Trost are huge zealots, constantly throwing their religion in people faces demanding puritan christian policies, but don't wear anything overtly religious.

At worst, maybe, Scheer'd be a stalking horse for the Trost/Lemieux contingent.  But on the whole, through past speakerdom et al, I think he might know well enough to be (or at least appear) reasonably pragmatic as leader--or at least, closer in operation to Rona Ambrose than to Trost/Lemieux.  (But keep in mind that "closer to" can still mean "to the right of".)

I think a lot will too depend on the polls and how vulnerable the Liberals are.  If the Liberals are fairly popular in 2019 and look like they will win no matter what, he might take more of a right wing tack to motivate the base to show up, but if the Liberals appear vulnerable he will probably want to take a more centrist tack to try either reduce them to a minority or win outright.  I find parties when they no they are going to lose focus more on their base while if they think they can win or gain seats then go after the swing voters.  While some may point to Trudeau running to the left of the NDP last federal election his platform was centre-left not hard left and generally in line with what voters wanted.

As for Singh I think the whole religion thing is overblown.  In most of the regions of Quebec, the NDP is going to lose those seats no matter what.  What matters is can they gain seats in Ontario and BC and perhaps the Prairies (last election Brad Wall was wildly popular in Saskatchewan and you had an unpopular NDP government in Manitoba whereas by 2019 you won't have those two weighing it down there while in Alberta either the provincial NDP is already gone so no impact or if they do manage to pull off a win that means their support rebounded strongly thus helping their federal counterparts).  Singh's religion and turban are not likely to have any negative impact in BC and Ontario.  More importantly even in Quebec I think people are overplaying its impact.  Many said Obama was unelectable as a Black person couldn't win in middle America yet he won much of the Midwest (areas where Clinton lost) and even many rural white counties thus debunking this idea.

[MAINEiac4434]

Cullen endorsing Singh.

Another huge get for Singh. The ball is in his court.

[136or142]

Bingo! The likes of Scheer and Trost are huge zealots, constantly throwing their religion in people faces demanding puritan christian policies, but don't wear anything overtly religious.

At worst, maybe, Scheer'd be a stalking horse for the Trost/Lemieux contingent.  But on the whole, through past speakerdom et al, I think he might know well enough to be (or at least appear) reasonably pragmatic as leader--or at least, closer in operation to Rona Ambrose than to Trost/Lemieux.  (But keep in mind that "closer to" can still mean "to the right of".)

I think a lot will too depend on the polls and how vulnerable the Liberals are.  If the Liberals are fairly popular in 2019 and look like they will win no matter what, he might take more of a right wing tack to motivate the base to show up, but if the Liberals appear vulnerable he will probably want to take a more centrist tack to try either reduce them to a minority or win outright.  I find parties when they no they are going to lose focus more on their base while if they think they can win or gain seats then go after the swing voters.  While some may point to Trudeau running to the left of the NDP last federal election his platform was centre-left not hard left and generally in line with what voters wanted.

I'd be surprised if this was the case because it seems to me that the Conservatives have put themselves so much in a bubble that they genuinely believe that the issues that they demagogue that have appeal to their 30-33% base of Canadians are issues that all Canadians are concerned about.

[RogueBeaver]

Quite predictably, Star endorses Singh.

[mileslunn]

Bingo! The likes of Scheer and Trost are huge zealots, constantly throwing their religion in people faces demanding puritan christian policies, but don't wear anything overtly religious.

At worst, maybe, Scheer'd be a stalking horse for the Trost/Lemieux contingent.  But on the whole, through past speakerdom et al, I think he might know well enough to be (or at least appear) reasonably pragmatic as leader--or at least, closer in operation to Rona Ambrose than to Trost/Lemieux.  (But keep in mind that "closer to" can still mean "to the right of".)

I think a lot will too depend on the polls and how vulnerable the Liberals are.  If the Liberals are fairly popular in 2019 and look like they will win no matter what, he might take more of a right wing tack to motivate the base to show up, but if the Liberals appear vulnerable he will probably want to take a more centrist tack to try either reduce them to a minority or win outright.  I find parties when they no they are going to lose focus more on their base while if they think they can win or gain seats then go after the swing voters.  While some may point to Trudeau running to the left of the NDP last federal election his platform was centre-left not hard left and generally in line with what voters wanted.

I'd be surprised if this was the case because it seems to me that the Conservatives have put themselves so much in a bubble that they genuinely believe that the issues that they demagogue that have appeal to their 30-33% base of Canadians are issues that all Canadians are concerned about.

True a lot are in that category although all parties do run focus groups and internal polls and tend to go based on those.  If you look since the house returned, the focus from the Tories is on tax changes not Omar Khadr settlement or border jumpers and I suspect their internal numbers showed those were vote losing.  Now yes internal numbers can be deceptive, I believe part of the reason many in the Harper government thought they would win again is they not only underestimated Justin Trudeau, they assumed voter turnout would be the same or lower as if voter turnout was only 61% like 2011 vs. 69% like in 2015 the election would have been a lot closer, otherwise the new voters who showed up overwhelmingly went Liberal and I think much like the polls underestimated Labour in Britain they underestimated the surge in turnout amongst younger voters.

That is not to say I actually think the Tories are likely to win in 2019, I don't think they are.  Just that all parties want to win so they usually tend to only push as far as they think they can.

 As for the NDP leadership race I also doubt whomever is chosen will become next PM, but could certainly reduce the Liberals to a minority and thus pull them leftward like was the case under Pearson and Trudeau 1972-1974.  Always a possibility of a surprise like we saw in Alberta but with Trudeau being a progressive leaning liberal seems unlikely.  There actually is a lot more room on the right to pick up votes, but the Tories seem to have a tendency to ignore this group or when they do reach out like Patrick Brown in Ontario has, the more ideological elements threaten to leave the party.

[Krago]

Here are the 20 Sikh-iest ridings in Canada, along with their results from the 2015 federal election.

Electoral District	Prov	SIKH%	LIB%	CONS%	NDP%	GRN%	OTH%
Surrey--Newton	BC	45.1	56.0	15.7	26.1	2.2
Brampton East	ON	34.0	52.3	23.5	23.0	1.1
Surrey Centre	BC	23.8	45.1	19.8	30.1	3.5	1.6
Brampton North	ON	21.7	48.4	33.0	16.5	1.9	0.2
Brampton South	ON	19.9	52.1	35.0	10.7	2.2
Fleetwood--Port Kells	BC	19.4	46.9	29.3	21.5	2.4
Mission--Matsqui--Fraser Canyon	BC	17.4	37.2	34.9	20.5	5.1	2.2
Brampton West	ON	15.3	55.9	30.1	12.4	1.6
Calgary Skyview	AB	15.1	45.9	39.8	8.0	1.9	4.5
Abbotsford	BC	14.3	32.8	48.3	13.7	5.0	0.2
Vancouver South	BC	12.5	48.8	33.9	14.0	2.6	0.8
Edmonton Mill Woods	AB	12.4	41.2	41.1	12.8	2.2	2.7
Delta	BC	11.4	49.1	32.8	14.9	3.2
Mississauga--Malton	ON	10.9	59.1	26.4	12.3	1.7	0.5
Brampton Centre	ON	9.6	48.6	33.7	15.1	2.1	0.4
Etobicoke North	ON	8.5	62.4	23.0	12.4	1.2	0.9
Cloverdale--Langley City	BC	8.4	45.5	34.8	15.7	4.1
Steveston--Richmond East	BC	6.0	45.1	38.5	12.1	3.7	0.6
Winnipeg North	MB	5.6	68.9	15.3	13.4	2.4
New Westminster--Burnaby	BC	5.6	29.0	20.0	43.5	4.7	2.9

[Hatman 🍁]

Quite predictably, Star endorses Singh.

Very good article; sums up why I support Singh over the other candidates.

Here are the 20 Sikh-iest ridings in Canada, along with their results from the 2015 federal election.

Electoral District	Prov	SIKH%	LIB%	CONS%	NDP%	GRN%	OTH%
Surrey--Newton	BC	45.1	56.0	15.7	26.1	2.2
Brampton East	ON	34.0	52.3	23.5	23.0	1.1
Surrey Centre	BC	23.8	45.1	19.8	30.1	3.5	1.6
Brampton North	ON	21.7	48.4	33.0	16.5	1.9	0.2
Brampton South	ON	19.9	52.1	35.0	10.7	2.2
Fleetwood--Port Kells	BC	19.4	46.9	29.3	21.5	2.4
Mission--Matsqui--Fraser Canyon	BC	17.4	37.2	34.9	20.5	5.1	2.2
Brampton West	ON	15.3	55.9	30.1	12.4	1.6
Calgary Skyview	AB	15.1	45.9	39.8	8.0	1.9	4.5
Abbotsford	BC	14.3	32.8	48.3	13.7	5.0	0.2
Vancouver South	BC	12.5	48.8	33.9	14.0	2.6	0.8
Edmonton Mill Woods	AB	12.4	41.2	41.1	12.8	2.2	2.7
Delta	BC	11.4	49.1	32.8	14.9	3.2
Mississauga--Malton	ON	10.9	59.1	26.4	12.3	1.7	0.5
Brampton Centre	ON	9.6	48.6	33.7	15.1	2.1	0.4
Etobicoke North	ON	8.5	62.4	23.0	12.4	1.2	0.9
Cloverdale--Langley City	BC	8.4	45.5	34.8	15.7	4.1
Steveston--Richmond East	BC	6.0	45.1	38.5	12.1	3.7	0.6
Winnipeg North	MB	5.6	68.9	15.3	13.4	2.4
New Westminster--Burnaby	BC	5.6	29.0	20.0	43.5	4.7	2.9

Well, the top three on that list should easily swing to the NDP in 2019 with Singh as leader. The next four or five would be targets as well.