NDP Leadership Convention 2017

[lilTommy]

A Singh "fluff piece" from the Star:
https://www.thestar.com/news/queenspark/2016/10/08/leaderless-ndp-looks-to-rising-star-jagmeet-singh-cohn.html

My feeling is he's somewhere in the Social Democrat range; Not as centrist as Mulcair, but not as left as Ashton.
His Provincial claims to fame have been his push on affordable Auto-Insurance (pretty populist) and being the most vocal against carding (Social Justice progressive Law&Order stance). In short... I don't think we really know yet especially when it comes to Federal matters

[Hatman 🍁]

Great article on why Jagmeet should run / be leader: https://www.thestar.com/news/queenspark/2016/10/08/leaderless-ndp-looks-to-rising-star-jagmeet-singh-cohn.html

The more I think about it, the more I am convinced he will be the next NDP leader.

Toronto based journalist supports Toronto based politician for leader of a national party.  Film at 11.

Of course, when I first read a post about how some Illinois State Senator named Barack Obama would win the Democratic primary for U.S Senate,  I replied "You're delusional, Dan Hynes will win that nomination handily."  So, what do I know?

FWIW, I'm from Ottawa, and I think he's going to win.

And let's just say, I correctly predicted Trudeau in 2007: https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=66990.0

(and they [specifically our dear moderator] called me crazy)

[lilTommy]

Great article on why Jagmeet should run / be leader: https://www.thestar.com/news/queenspark/2016/10/08/leaderless-ndp-looks-to-rising-star-jagmeet-singh-cohn.html

The more I think about it, the more I am convinced he will be the next NDP leader.

Toronto based journalist supports Toronto based politician for leader of a national party.  Film at 11.

Of course, when I first read a post about how some Illinois State Senator named Barack Obama would win the Democratic primary for U.S Senate,  I replied "You're delusional, Dan Hynes will win that nomination handily."  So, what do I know?

FWIW, I'm from Ottawa, and I think he's going to win.

And let's just say, I correctly predicted Trudeau in 2007: https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=66990.0

(and they [specifically our dear moderator] called me crazy)

What makes you say that? curious is all, given no one is really in the field so were really just talking about the "potentials". Given you got the LPC leadership right wondering what magic you have?

[Hatman 🍁]

Great article on why Jagmeet should run / be leader: https://www.thestar.com/news/queenspark/2016/10/08/leaderless-ndp-looks-to-rising-star-jagmeet-singh-cohn.html

The more I think about it, the more I am convinced he will be the next NDP leader.

Toronto based journalist supports Toronto based politician for leader of a national party.  Film at 11.

Of course, when I first read a post about how some Illinois State Senator named Barack Obama would win the Democratic primary for U.S Senate,  I replied "You're delusional, Dan Hynes will win that nomination handily."  So, what do I know?

FWIW, I'm from Ottawa, and I think he's going to win.

And let's just say, I correctly predicted Trudeau in 2007: https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=66990.0

(and they [specifically our dear moderator] called me crazy)

What makes you say that? curious is all, given no one is really in the field so were really just talking about the "potentials". Given you got the LPC leadership right wondering what magic you have?

Call it intuition. He's who the NDP establishment seems to be the most excited about, and thinking about his potential opponents, he's the only one who really excite people the most.

[136or142]

Great article on why Jagmeet should run / be leader: https://www.thestar.com/news/queenspark/2016/10/08/leaderless-ndp-looks-to-rising-star-jagmeet-singh-cohn.html

The more I think about it, the more I am convinced he will be the next NDP leader.

Toronto based journalist supports Toronto based politician for leader of a national party.  Film at 11.

Of course, when I first read a post about how some Illinois State Senator named Barack Obama would win the Democratic primary for U.S Senate,  I replied "You're delusional, Dan Hynes will win that nomination handily."  So, what do I know?

FWIW, I'm from Ottawa, and I think he's going to win.

And let's just say, I correctly predicted Trudeau in 2007: https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=66990.0

(and they [specifically our dear moderator] called me crazy)

I think he'll become the next leader of the Ontario New Democratic Party.  I predict either Peter Julien or Niki Ashton will become the next leader of the Federal N.D.P.  I personally wouldn't be surprised if those were the only two major candidates to enter the race along with some unknown non-M.P.  In nearly every federal N.D.P leadership contest there has been one unknown non M.P who ran for the leadership.

They're so unknown even their friends, family and co-workers say "We don't know who he is."

[Hatman 🍁]

Jagmeet is much more interested in federal politics. That's why he ran federally the first time in 2011.  And wouldn't he qualify as the unknown non MP?

[136or142]

Jagmeet is much more interested in federal politics. That's why he ran federally the first time in 2011.  And wouldn't he qualify as the unknown non MP?

1.He's not unknown.
2.He's been in provincial politics for a number of years now and is the provincial party deputy leader.  I don't know what his primary interests now are.

Unknown leadership candidates
1975: Douglas Campbell, taxi driver.  Ran against David Lewis in 1973 in a leadership challenge.
1989: Roger LaGasse, School Teacher
1995: Herschel Hardin, freelance writer, did not qualify for ballot but ran in the meaningless primaries. (The only purpose of the primaries was to disqualify candidates for the convention who did not meet the threshold level of support.)
2003: Bev Meslo, part of the NDP (unofficial) socialist caucus. (Pierre Ducasse I'd put in in a gray area)
20012: Martin Singh, Pharmacist and pharmacy owner.

On the floor of the 1975 leadership convention, Douglas Campbell's wife was interviewed saying "I have no idea who Douglas Campbell is."

In 2012, Martin Singh's wife said in an interview, I wasn't aware my husband was running for leader of the N.D.P. Are you sure you're not referring to a different Martin Singh?"  

[DL]

I hear that Peter Julian won't run...but it increasingly sounds like Charlie Angus will run and so will Finance critic Guy Caron. I suspect that when all the dust settles these will be the people running for leader:

Charlie Angus
Jagmeet Singh
Guy Caron
Nikki Ashton

...and they may be it

[136or142]

I hear that Peter Julian won't run...but it increasingly sounds like Charlie Angus will run and so will Finance critic Guy Caron. I suspect that when all the dust settles these will be the people running for leader:

1.Charlie Angus
2.Jagmeet Singh
3.Guy Caron
4.Niki Ashton

...and they may be it

5.Some unknown non elected person.

Guy Caron is also the Natural Resources Critic.  I think Carole Hughes held the position before but she was either elected or appointed as an assistant deputy speaker. 

I suppose could see this as Thomas Mulcair's way to set up Caron as his successor, but I'm not sure if there's any truth to that.

[Hatman 🍁]

How good is Charlie Angus' French?

[136or142]

How good is Charlie Angus' French?

And how good is Guy Caron's English?

[DL]

Caron's English is better than Angus's French

[Hatman 🍁]

I think Charlie Angus has a decent chance of winning, but his lack of abilities in French (despite representing a riding with a large Fanco population) certainly hurts his chances. I don't know about other dippers, but it was a major reason why I decided against supporting Paul Dewar for leader in 2012.

[136or142]

Caron's English is better than Angus's French

Thanks!

[RogueBeaver]

5 expected contenders: Ashton, Angus, Caron, Julian, Singh.

[136or142]

Peter Julian stepped down as NDP House Leader today to consider running for leader.

For the completists out there, Murray Rankin replaced Julian as House Leader.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/peter-julian-ndp-leadership-race-1.3811726

I saw Julian's post on twitter.  Immediately after tweeting that, he tweeted a series of tweets in French.

I didn't look too closely at them, but I think one of them said "Je ne parle pas Francais."   (That's an attempt at a joke.)

[Hatman 🍁]

He is definitely running:

"In the months ahead, I’m looking forward to talking to colleagues & Canadians about their vision for our party & our country"

Good call, because he is the least well known of the potential candidates (other than Caron), so it is good that he will be the first to declare.

If Singh doesn't run, I will support Julian, because I used to work in his office (and also, he would be a very qualified leader)

[HagridOfTheDeep]

I met him at New Westminster Pride. He seems decent enough.

[136or142]

I met him at New Westminster Pride. He seems decent enough.

I heard him speak and met him personally when he first ran federally in 2004.  Obviously don't know him very well at all but I can away thinking very highly of him and nothing he's done since then has altered my initial impression.

He's not charismatic but I think he has a certain charm and he's obviously extremely hard working and knowledgeable. 

I'm not a big fan of Post Media Columnist Michael den Tandt, but he theories that post Trump rational voters will seek out un-charismatic,  hard working and knowledgeable politicians, so, if den Tandt is correct, this could be a good time for Peter Julian.

[Hatman 🍁]

I'm not a big fan of Post Media Columnist Michael den Tandt, but he theories that post Trump rational voters will seek out un-charismatic,  hard working and knowledgeable politicians, so, if den Tandt is correct, this could be a good time for Peter Julian.

Conservatives love this type, but promiscuous progressives need a pretty boy they can take selfies with.

[136or142]

I'm not a big fan of Post Media Columnist Michael den Tandt, but he theories that post Trump rational voters will seek out un-charismatic,  hard working and knowledgeable politicians, so, if den Tandt is correct, this could be a good time for Peter Julian.

Conservatives love this type, but promiscuous progressives need a pretty boy they can take selfies with.

I meant to write Julian is hard working and knowledgeable as well as diligent and earnest.  


Former B.C Premier Glen Clark was hard working and knowledgeable, but it turned out he also was something of a tin pot dictator and a populist grand-stander.  

Though it was some (mostly) non scandal involving his cottage renovations that ultimately brought him down it was his populist grand standing primarily on the disasterous Fast Ferries where he insisted on them them being built by a local company even though that company had no knowledge or experience in building those type of ferries as well as other grand-standing and ultimately destructive actions like some fight that he got into with Alaska over some fisheries dispute, that left him in a position where he had no good will left with the B.C public when this (mostly) non scandal hit the headlines and pretty much every British Columbian simply wanted him gone.

[DC Al Fine]

I'm not a big fan of Post Media Columnist Michael den Tandt, but he theories that post Trump rational voters will seek out un-charismatic,  hard working and knowledgeable politicians, so, if den Tandt is correct, this could be a good time for Peter Julian.

Conservatives love this type, but promiscuous progressives need a pretty boy they can take selfies with.

The more I think about this, the more I'm convinced you're right.  We Tories are never fully comfortable unless our leader resembles a small town Chartered Accountant.

[Hatman 🍁]

I'm not a big fan of Post Media Columnist Michael den Tandt, but he theories that post Trump rational voters will seek out un-charismatic,  hard working and knowledgeable politicians, so, if den Tandt is correct, this could be a good time for Peter Julian.

Conservatives love this type, but promiscuous progressives need a pretty boy they can take selfies with.

The more I think about this, the more I'm convinced you're right.  We Tories are never fully comfortable unless our leader resembles a small town Chartered Accountant.

Which leads me to wonder why Tony Clement dropped out.

[RogueBeaver]

Not all Tories, DC.

[136or142]

I'm not a big fan of Post Media Columnist Michael den Tandt, but he theories that post Trump rational voters will seek out un-charismatic,  hard working and knowledgeable politicians, so, if den Tandt is correct, this could be a good time for Peter Julian.

Conservatives love this type, but promiscuous progressives need a pretty boy they can take selfies with.

The more I think about this, the more I'm convinced you're right.  We Tories are never fully comfortable unless our leader resembles a small town Chartered Accountant.

In my early 20s I was a bookkeeper (and junior auditor.)  Big city accountants and small town accountants look the exact same.