NDP Leadership Convention 2017

[Hatman 🍁]

I find it interesting that the NDP might be optimistic enough to think Canadians will elect a brown guy Prime Minister.

Are we not supposed to say that? I have no faith in our people whatsoever.

The locals from my native Timmins-James Bay wouldn't be so hot on him, and it's an NDP stronghold.

What makes you say this?  I also grew up in Timmins, and tend to disagree with you.  Of course, Angus would probably be their first choice because he is the local MP, but TJ-B is very much an NDP stronghold, like you mentioned.  Singh is very pro union, and supports many of the "left-populist" issues that Northern Ontario NDP supports agree with.

Because he is a brown you see, and apparently Northern Ontarians are racist.

[DL]

The conventional wisdom used to be that most Ontarians were homophobic as well - especially in places like northern Ontario...didn't stop them from voting for Kathleen Wynne (who isa  dreadful Premier for reasons having nothing to do with her sexuality).

[toaster]

Northern Ontario is much more like Quebec in that they have a do whatever you want / be who you are libertarian attitude towards things like sexuality/race, and a lot of other things. They think everyone should be treated equally (read "same"), which may not always be equitable.  I do think Singh's politics align much more with the North than Angus' do.  It is not uncommon to hear people in Timmins say they feel like they don't get much representation because Angus is always worrying about the "natives" (a word still used by Indigenous and white/non indigenous in the north).  On the surface is sounds racist, but it is much more a reflection of the problem with creating these huge ridings, and grouping urban cities with Aboriginal communities.

[adma]

I do think Singh's politics align much more with the North than Angus' do.  It is not uncommon to hear people in Timmins say they feel like they don't get much representation because Angus is always worrying about the "natives" (a word still used by Indigenous and white/non indigenous in the north).  On the surface is sounds racist, but it is much more a reflection of the problem with creating these huge ridings, and grouping urban cities with Aboriginal communities.

OTOH Angus has always tended to overachieve in Timiskaming (Kirkland Lake, Englehart et al)--territory that's historically been more populist-Conservative (and a relative strong spot for Confederation of Regions in the 90s) and where First Nations isn't really a factor.

As I've suggested before, the real weakness may owe something to Timmins being too "city slicker"--a pattern duplicated in other Northern Ontario urban centres such as Sudbury, the Soo, Thunder Bay; it's where those with bourgeois middle-class aspirations settle.  (And who knows whether the Franco-Ontarian demo in Timmins has a problem with Angus' weak grasp of French.)

[MaxQue]

Northern Ontario is much more like Quebec in that they have a do whatever you want / be who you are libertarian attitude towards things like sexuality/race, and a lot of other things. They think everyone should be treated equally (read "same"), which may not always be equitable.  I do think Singh's politics align much more with the North than Angus' do.  It is not uncommon to hear people in Timmins say they feel like they don't get much representation because Angus is always worrying about the "natives" (a word still used by Indigenous and white/non indigenous in the north).  On the surface is sounds racist, but it is much more a reflection of the problem with creating these huge ridings, and grouping urban cities with Aboriginal communities.

Well, it's the exact same here in Abitibi or in Northern Quebec.

We feel forgotten by government and are far from big centers, so anybody choosing to move and live here is very welcomed.

Same point with cities being more right-wing than rural areas too (except Rouyn, but it's a student city with significant pockets of poverty).

[Hatman 🍁]

I recall the only black guy in Amos, Quebec got elected as mayor not too long ago. Also, the first black mayor in Canadian history was in Mattawa, Ontario.

[Hatman 🍁]

Pat Stogran is officially in. Will be very interesting to see how well he does. The juxtaposition between him and Niki Ashton on the debate stage would be sight to see!

[136or142]

From 'your daily NDP leadership headlines'
http://us15.campaign-archive2.com/?u=def33e50a178af656ca30e7f2&id=19e8c5ef29

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Ex-union leader Sid Ryan not entering NDP race, endorses Niki Ashton
By iPolitics, with subscription on Apr 28, 2017 07:41 am
https://ipolitics.ca/2017/04/27/ex-union-leader-sid-ryan-not-entering-ndp-race-endorses-niki-ashton/

[Poirot]

Fundraising result for the first quarter of 2017.

Angus 110 K
Ashton 65 K
Caron 57 K
Julian 19 K

http://ipolitics.ca/2017/05/01/angus-leads-ndp-leadership-fundraising-in-first-quarter/

[Boston Bread]

Fundraising result for the first quarter of 2017.

Angus 110 K
Ashton 65 K
Caron 57 K
Julian 19 K

http://ipolitics.ca/2017/05/01/angus-leads-ndp-leadership-fundraising-in-first-quarter/

I am personally deciding between Angus and Singh. Good to see one of my prefered candidates leading.

[Poirot]

Julian also raised money in 2016 so his total would place him less far from caron.

[Holmes]

I find it interesting that the NDP might be optimistic enough to think Canadians will elect a brown guy Prime Minister.

Are we not supposed to say that? I have no faith in our people whatsoever.

The locals from my native Timmins-James Bay wouldn't be so hot on him, and it's an NDP stronghold.

What makes you say this?  I also grew up in Timmins, and tend to disagree with you.  Of course, Angus would probably be their first choice because he is the local MP, but TJ-B is very much an NDP stronghold, like you mentioned.  Singh is very pro union, and supports many of the "left-populist" issues that Northern Ontario NDP supports agree with.

Because he is a brown you see, and apparently Northern Ontarians are racist.

More than the national average. Do you know how Natives are treated there?

[Hatman 🍁]

I find it interesting that the NDP might be optimistic enough to think Canadians will elect a brown guy Prime Minister.

Are we not supposed to say that? I have no faith in our people whatsoever.

The locals from my native Timmins-James Bay wouldn't be so hot on him, and it's an NDP stronghold.

What makes you say this?  I also grew up in Timmins, and tend to disagree with you.  Of course, Angus would probably be their first choice because he is the local MP, but TJ-B is very much an NDP stronghold, like you mentioned.  Singh is very pro union, and supports many of the "left-populist" issues that Northern Ontario NDP supports agree with.

Because he is a brown you see, and apparently Northern Ontarians are racist.

More than the national average. Do you know how Natives are treated there?

I'm well aware of the racism against Natives up north, I even ranted about it during the Sudbury by-election as one of the reasons the NDP wasn't going to win. But racism against Natives ≠ racism against South Asians. I think you're more likely to find that kind of racism in the GTA (think of the white flight in places like Brampton).

[Holmes]

And I'm not going to forget about how some of my former co-workers were bitching about the "turban wearing Paki" in Harper's cabinet, and how they were afraid that the "Pakis" were going to try to gain control of the country.

Or how one of their wives at a work party was saying Canada should be for Canadians and not all "the Chinese that have been popping up lately."

But yeah the GTA is more racist against South Asians. Ok werk

[Hatman 🍁]

And I'm not going to forget about how some of my former co-workers were bitching about the "turban wearing Paki" in Harper's cabinet, and how they were afraid that the "Pakis" were going to try to gain control of the country.

Or how one of their wives at a work party was saying Canada should be for Canadians and not all "the Chinese that have been popping up lately."

Do these people vote NDP?

[lilTommy]

Looks like Singh is inching closer... gah this is excrutiating... to entering the race

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/jagmeet-singh-ndp-leadership-announcement-1.4096068

I follow him on social media, and he's been all over the country; he was working BC during the election and in Manitoba (endorsing Kinew an ManNDP leader).

My feeling is, he will poll well, but in the end won't win for various reason ( think Angus is in the best overall to win)
This exposure will help the him and the ONDP, I expect he will feature more prominently around Horwath during the election especially in the GTA/urban cities.

[DL]

Jagmeet Singh is IN. He is launching his campaign on Monday.

It can't hurt his prospects that he spent four days campaigning for NDP candidates in suburban Vancouver last week and the NDP sweats all the areas of Surrey and delta where he campaigned. For the NDP to have done that well in Surrey the Sikh community must have swung its votes pretty decisively behind the NDP

[MAINEiac4434]

Finally. My god I feel like it's been rumored for a year.

[Zioneer]

From what I understand, Jagmeet is Obama-level charismatic, and has pretty good campaigning skills, right? He sounds like an excellent candidate, though not without his flaws (he appears to have a taste for the expensive).

[Hatman 🍁]

Jagmeet campaign launch on right now. This is going to be huge, folks.

From what I understand, Jagmeet is Obama-level charismatic, and has pretty good campaigning skills, right? He sounds like an excellent candidate, though not without his flaws (he appears to have a taste for the expensive).

I wouldn't say he is quite at the level of Obama, but he is definitely Obama-esque. I don't know if this is a flaw or not, but he is definitely a certified hipster.

[lilTommy]

Jagmeet campaign launch on right now. This is going to be huge, folks.

From what I understand, Jagmeet is Obama-level charismatic, and has pretty good campaigning skills, right? He sounds like an excellent candidate, though not without his flaws (he appears to have a taste for the expensive).

I wouldn't say he is quite at the level of Obama, but he is definitely Obama-esque. I don't know if this is a flaw or not, but he is definitely a certified hipster.

Meaning he can play Trudeau's game but better. He'd appeal to that young urban social liberal, left-liberal voter. I just can't see any other candidate appeal to this group. Angus and Ashton can appeal to parts but not the same. Singh social media game is huge.
Vice - https://www.vice.com/en_ca/article/jagmeet-singh-is-finally-here-to-save-the-ndp-leadership-race-from-irrelevance?utm_source=vicetwitterca

His French is pretty good actually for someone in Southern ON (from this mild franco-ontarian), https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qM_QuN2IFZA&feature=share not the best, still an anglo accent but he's trying with that inflection.

[RogueBeaver]

Hébert: don't underestimate Singh here.

[Hatman 🍁]

Feeling good about my prediction from a few months ago that Jagmeet would win.

[RogueBeaver]

How does he get into Parliament?

[MAINEiac4434]

How does he get into Parliament?

Safe seat MP resigns, he runs in the by-election.