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« Reply #525 on: May 30, 2017, 08:47:31 AM »

Niki Ashton is pregnant; due in November. She'll definitely be 'showing' come vote time. I've never heard of a candidate being pregnant in this kind of a high profile election. This will probably help her, right?

I imagine it might be seen as possibly distracting to her duties should she become leader, not spending time rebuilding the NDP. Nobody will say that openly though, I'm sure. She's not going to be in the top 2 anyway.

She will very likely be in the top 3; she is popular among younger supporters and as the only woman in the race, will get a bump from that as well (pun intended).

There is the possibility of underground gossip of course, because according to Wikipedia, she just got divorced a few months ago. I'm glad I haven't seen any yet; everyone is being quite respectful.
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« Reply #526 on: May 30, 2017, 09:56:37 AM »

Niki Ashton is pregnant; due in November. She'll definitely be 'showing' come vote time. I've never heard of a candidate being pregnant in this kind of a high profile election. This will probably help her, right?

I imagine it might be seen as possibly distracting to her duties should she become leader, not spending time rebuilding the NDP. Nobody will say that openly though, I'm sure. She's not going to be in the top 2 anyway.

She will very likely be in the top 3; she is popular among younger supporters and as the only woman in the race, will get a bump from that as well (pun intended).

There is the possibility of underground gossip of course, because according to Wikipedia, she just got divorced a few months ago. I'm glad I haven't seen any yet; everyone is being quite respectful.


That is a rather odd situation, but I'm sure people will be respectful of it. Perhaps if she was in contention to win, more ugliness would come out, but still.
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« Reply #527 on: May 30, 2017, 10:24:18 AM »

Niki Ashton is pregnant; due in November. She'll definitely be 'showing' come vote time. I've never heard of a candidate being pregnant in this kind of a high profile election. This will probably help her, right?

I imagine it might be seen as possibly distracting to her duties should she become leader, not spending time rebuilding the NDP. Nobody will say that openly though, I'm sure. She's not going to be in the top 2 anyway.

She will very likely be in the top 3; she is popular among younger supporters and as the only woman in the race, will get a bump from that as well (pun intended).

There is the possibility of underground gossip of course, because according to Wikipedia, she just got divorced a few months ago. I'm glad I haven't seen any yet; everyone is being quite respectful.


That is a rather odd situation, but I'm sure people will be respectful of it. Perhaps if she was in contention to win, more ugliness would come out, but still.

Gossip aside, how would she lead a political party during the latter stages of pregnancy and post partum? Childbirth isn't exactly day surgery, especially at her age.
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« Reply #528 on: May 30, 2017, 10:33:28 AM »

Niki Ashton is pregnant; due in November. She'll definitely be 'showing' come vote time. I've never heard of a candidate being pregnant in this kind of a high profile election. This will probably help her, right?

I imagine it might be seen as possibly distracting to her duties should she become leader, not spending time rebuilding the NDP. Nobody will say that openly though, I'm sure. She's not going to be in the top 2 anyway.

She will very likely be in the top 3; she is popular among younger supporters and as the only woman in the race, will get a bump from that as well (pun intended).

There is the possibility of underground gossip of course, because according to Wikipedia, she just got divorced a few months ago. I'm glad I haven't seen any yet; everyone is being quite respectful.


That is a rather odd situation, but I'm sure people will be respectful of it. Perhaps if she was in contention to win, more ugliness would come out, but still.

Gossip aside, how would she lead a political party during the latter stages of pregnancy and post partum? Childbirth isn't exactly day surgery, especially at her age.

What? She's not that old.

Any criticisms along those lines, DC, would fuel a feminist backlash, which would be a great narrative for someone like Ashton, so no one running against her in the NDP is going to even bring up the subject.

It will mean some adjustments in her campaign, but she has the best excuse in the world, because no one will fault her for it.
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« Reply #529 on: May 30, 2017, 10:57:44 AM »

Niki Ashton is pregnant; due in November. She'll definitely be 'showing' come vote time. I've never heard of a candidate being pregnant in this kind of a high profile election. This will probably help her, right?

I imagine it might be seen as possibly distracting to her duties should she become leader, not spending time rebuilding the NDP. Nobody will say that openly though, I'm sure. She's not going to be in the top 2 anyway.

She will very likely be in the top 3; she is popular among younger supporters and as the only woman in the race, will get a bump from that as well (pun intended).

There is the possibility of underground gossip of course, because according to Wikipedia, she just got divorced a few months ago. I'm glad I haven't seen any yet; everyone is being quite respectful.


That is a rather odd situation, but I'm sure people will be respectful of it. Perhaps if she was in contention to win, more ugliness would come out, but still.

Gossip aside, how would she lead a political party during the latter stages of pregnancy and post partum? Childbirth isn't exactly day surgery, especially at her age.

What? She's not that old.

Any criticisms along those lines, DC, would fuel a feminist backlash, which would be a great narrative for someone like Ashton, so no one running against her in the NDP is going to even bring up the subject.

It will mean some adjustments in her campaign, but she has the best excuse in the world, because no one will fault her for it.

I'm asking from a logistics point of view not an electioneering point of view.

My wife is 22 and had a healthy pregnancy/delivery. She had to take medical leave from work the last several weeks of pregnancy due to being on her feet all the time, and she couldn't go back to work for several weeks even if she wanted to. Ashton is 34 and any pregnancy at 35 plus is automatically considered high risk. She would also be working an extremely demanding job for anyone, much less a pregnant/postpartum woman.

Surely she would have to take a leave of absence from being leader at some point.
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« Reply #530 on: May 30, 2017, 04:43:19 PM »

More from Charlie Angus' Facebook.  What is problematic is that he isn't speaking up against what is being said by his supporters.  Difficult stuff to read.



Are there more examples of this?
Yes.
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« Reply #531 on: June 03, 2017, 01:45:59 PM »

Can't say that I'm surprised.  Pat Stogran withdraws from leadership race.

Stogran pulls out of NDP leadership race, blaming party insiders
http://www.nationalnewswatch.com/2017/06/03/stogran-pulls-out-of-ndp-leadership-race-blaming-party-insiders/#.WTMRl2jyuM9
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« Reply #532 on: June 03, 2017, 02:00:39 PM »

More from Charlie Angus' Facebook.  What is problematic is that he isn't speaking up against what is being said by his supporters.  Difficult stuff to read.



Difficult to read, even more difficult to hear in person.
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« Reply #533 on: June 11, 2017, 08:24:14 AM »

Singh unveiling tax policy.

Grenier: Angus ahead, Singh could be his top challenger.
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« Reply #534 on: June 11, 2017, 02:03:12 PM »

Oh yeah, like Grenier is going to know anything about the NDP.

Him working for the CBC is greatest reason to privatize the CBC there is.
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« Reply #535 on: June 11, 2017, 02:11:23 PM »

Not very impressed with Singh in this debate. Very vague compared to Angus.
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« Reply #536 on: June 11, 2017, 02:13:28 PM »

Currently undecided between Angus and Singh. Is anyone here willing to try to convince me for either one?
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« Reply #537 on: June 11, 2017, 09:05:45 PM »


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It really depends on the income level for the phase out on that plan to determine starting at which income you are worse than the current system. You could have a "secure pension" because you were in the civil service, have a good pension but not be excessively wealthy.
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« Reply #538 on: June 11, 2017, 10:20:18 PM »

In a report on today's debate, candidates don't agree on everything.

http://www.macleans.ca/politics/ndp-leadership-hopefuls-treat-jagmeet-singh-like-the-candidate-to-beat/

- Singh’s refusal to follow the other candidates in categorically opposing an expansion of Kinder Morgan’s Trans Mountain oil pipeline

- Caron’s own proposal to establish a minimum income level was in turn panned by several of the candidates as being unaffordable and unrealistic.

- Angus also went after Ashton and Julian for their plans to offer free tuition for students, questioning where they would find the money.
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« Reply #539 on: June 18, 2017, 10:31:30 AM »

Singh opposes KM & EE.
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« Reply #540 on: June 18, 2017, 06:27:18 PM »

Angus is definitely NOT the Bernie Sanders candidate, since he supports pipelines, and is against trying to provide universal access to post-secondary education for free.  He's turning into the centre-right candidate (at least for the NDP).
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« Reply #541 on: June 19, 2017, 03:54:42 AM »

Angus is not against free post secondary education. He simply challenged those proposing it to present a real plan to implement it including how it would funded and how to deal with the provinces which have 100% jurisdiction over education. These are perfectly valid points and I hope people who want free post secondary plan to address these issues.
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« Reply #542 on: June 19, 2017, 03:14:23 PM »

Angus is not against free post secondary education. He simply challenged those proposing it to present a real plan to implement it including how it would funded and how to deal with the provinces which have 100% jurisdiction over education. These are perfectly valid points and I hope people who want free post secondary plan to address these issues.
He isn't supporting it or making it known he supports it, so he must is against it.
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« Reply #543 on: June 20, 2017, 08:38:57 AM »

Looks like another entry into the race... David Berlin
"...editor of the Literary Review of Canada, co-founder of The Walrus Magazine. He has published and edited several books including “ What’s Left: The New Democratic Party in Renewal (2001)”"
http://davidberlin.ca/

I feel at this point, your late to the game.
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« Reply #544 on: June 20, 2017, 09:37:04 AM »

Angus is not against free post secondary education. He simply challenged those proposing it to present a real plan to implement it including how it would funded and how to deal with the provinces which have 100% jurisdiction over education. These are perfectly valid points and I hope people who want free post secondary plan to address these issues.
He isn't supporting it or making it known he supports it, so he must is against it.
He's said that he supports it, dude.
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« Reply #545 on: June 20, 2017, 09:54:13 AM »

Ruth Ellen Brousseau is endorsing Guy Caron
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« Reply #546 on: June 20, 2017, 10:18:16 AM »

Ruth Ellen Brousseau is endorsing Guy Caron

Caron has had a few former MPs endorse him as of late too; Jean Crowder and Chris Charlton
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« Reply #547 on: June 20, 2017, 08:00:14 PM »

Angus is not against free post secondary education. He simply challenged those proposing it to present a real plan to implement it including how it would funded and how to deal with the provinces which have 100% jurisdiction over education. These are perfectly valid points and I hope people who want free post secondary plan to address these issues.
He isn't supporting it or making it known he supports it, so he must is against it.
He's said that he supports it, dude.
Right, but he's critiquing others by saying they don't have a plan to pay for it.  Well, he doesn't either, so if he does support it, they are all at the same point/position, so why make the criticism?
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« Reply #548 on: June 26, 2017, 11:06:23 AM »

Being Sikh might be a problem for Singh: http://angusreid.org/who-could-be-prime-minister-president/

Only 63% of Canadians say they could vote for a party with a Sikh leader, and only 56% for a man who wears a religious head covering.
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« Reply #549 on: June 26, 2017, 11:15:11 AM »

And it's hardly just Conservatives who think so:
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