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« on: April 13, 2016, 12:48:05 AM »
An increasingly likely match-up. Your preference?
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« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2016, 01:33:24 AM »
Sarkozy ofc. But isn't Juppé the frontrunner for the LR nomination?
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« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2016, 01:43:53 AM »
LePen is love. LePen is life.
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« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2016, 05:18:25 AM »
LePen, France needs a lot of change
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« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2016, 05:37:22 AM »
France loses its right to exist if this scenario happens.
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« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2016, 05:56:23 AM »
This match-up isn't going to happen.
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« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2016, 06:44:30 AM »
LePen.
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« Reply #7 on: April 13, 2016, 06:53:44 AM »
Quote from: SomebodyWhoExists on April 13, 2016, 05:37:22 AM
France loses its right to exist if this scenario happens.
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« Reply #8 on: April 13, 2016, 07:15:37 AM »

Agreed on the second part, but Le Pen represents almost everything that is wrong with the existing French state - the centralisation, the hostility to parliamentarianism and LE STRONG (WO)MAN schtick, the economic statism, the quasi-state atheism (religion being replaced by THR GTEAT NATION), one size fits all citizenship etc. Certainly not a sensible thing for a boilerplate American conservative like yourself to support.
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« Reply #9 on: April 13, 2016, 07:17:11 AM »
Also, abolish the Presidency and the Fifth Republic (sane, normal etc.)
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« Reply #10 on: April 13, 2016, 07:52:35 AM »
Quote from: CrabCake on April 13, 2016, 07:15:37 AM

Agreed on the second part, but Le Pen represents almost everything that is wrong with the existing French state - the centralisation, the hostility to parliamentarianism and LE STRONG (WO)MAN schtick, the economic statism, the quasi-state atheism (religion being replaced by THR GTEAT NATION), one size fits all citizenship etc. Certainly not a sensible thing for a boilerplate American conservative like yourself to support.

What's wrong with that. xD
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« Reply #11 on: April 13, 2016, 08:03:35 AM »
It's simultaneiusly very creepy and shows a very naive understanding of humanity.
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« Reply #12 on: April 13, 2016, 08:34:43 AM »
The devil you know, etc.
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« Reply #13 on: April 13, 2016, 08:35:48 AM »
Is there anybody in France that would have a chance at winning that would get rid of the horrible "protecting old people with jobs" laws they have that are killing the country?
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« Reply #14 on: April 13, 2016, 08:38:19 AM »
Quote from: dead0man on April 13, 2016, 08:35:48 AM
Is there anybody in France that would have a chance at winning that would get rid of the horrible "protecting old people with jobs" laws they have that are killing the country?

Nah, I think the Socialists are too tainted to win.
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« Reply #15 on: April 13, 2016, 08:41:23 AM »
I despise Sarkozy but seriously, I'd vote for him every day over the FN.
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« Reply #16 on: April 13, 2016, 09:01:58 AM »
Why is Le Pen tied, 26 votes in???

What is wrong with the posters of Atlas?
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« Reply #17 on: April 13, 2016, 10:45:43 AM »
I think I'd cast a blank ballot. Sorry but I just can't get myself to vote for Poison Dwarf.

Quote from: Sprouts Farmers Market on April 13, 2016, 09:01:58 AM
Why is Le Pen tied, 26 votes in???

What is wrong with the posters of Atlas?

The candidate you support is the lovechild of Le Pen and Berlusconi.
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« Reply #18 on: April 13, 2016, 10:52:19 AM »
Quote from: CrabCake on April 13, 2016, 07:15:37 AM

Agreed on the second part, but Le Pen represents almost everything that is wrong with the existing French state - the centralisation, the hostility to parliamentarianism and LE STRONG (WO)MAN schtick, the economic statism, the quasi-state atheism (religion being replaced by THR GTEAT NATION), one size fits all citizenship etc. Certainly not a sensible thing for a boilerplate American conservative like yourself to support.

I'm actually rather fond of the quasi-dirigisme and "one side fits all citizenship." The latter is one of my favorite things about France; much preferable to the 24/7/365 low-intensity race war we have in America.

Hostility to parliamentarianism/strongmanism seems like an inevitable outcome of a presidential system. Hostility to parliamentarianism has been a defining feature of the Obama administration, though instead of strong-manism, we got technocracy.
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« Reply #19 on: April 13, 2016, 10:55:54 AM »
Sarkozy
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« Reply #20 on: April 13, 2016, 11:02:46 AM »
Quote from: When do you think it will all become clear? on April 13, 2016, 10:45:43 AM
I think I'd cast a blank ballot. Sorry but I just can't get myself to vote for Poison Dwarf.

Quote from: Sprouts Farmers Market on April 13, 2016, 09:01:58 AM
Why is Le Pen tied, 26 votes in???

What is wrong with the posters of Atlas?

The candidate you support is the lovechild of Le Pen and Berlusconi.

Nope, sorry, Trump is in the New York Roosevelt tradition.
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« Reply #21 on: April 13, 2016, 11:03:12 AM »
Sarkozy, but only because he wouldn't be as hard-boiled secular. Le Pen otherwise has the much better idea of the two.
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« Reply #22 on: April 13, 2016, 11:47:23 AM »
Quote from: Derpist on April 13, 2016, 10:52:19 AM
Quote from: CrabCake on April 13, 2016, 07:15:37 AM

Agreed on the second part, but Le Pen represents almost everything that is wrong with the existing French state - the centralisation, the hostility to parliamentarianism and LE STRONG (WO)MAN schtick, the economic statism, the quasi-state atheism (religion being replaced by THR GTEAT NATION), one size fits all citizenship etc. Certainly not a sensible thing for a boilerplate American conservative like yourself to support.

I'm actually rather fond of the quasi-dirigisme and "one side fits all citizenship." The latter is one of my favorite things about France; much preferable to the 24/7/365 low-intensity race war we have in America.

Hostility to parliamentarianism/strongmanism seems like an inevitable outcome of a presidential system. Hostility to parliamentarianism has been a defining feature of the Obama administration, though instead of strong-manism, we got technocracy.

America has a 24/7 "low intensity race war"? Your evidence for that tremendously ridiculous statement?
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« Reply #23 on: April 13, 2016, 12:13:50 PM »
« Edited: April 13, 2016, 12:34:14 PM by CrabCake »
Quote from: Derpist on April 13, 2016, 10:52:19 AM
Quote from: CrabCake on April 13, 2016, 07:15:37 AM

Agreed on the second part, but Le Pen represents almost everything that is wrong with the existing French state - the centralisation, the hostility to parliamentarianism and LE STRONG (WO)MAN schtick, the economic statism, the quasi-state atheism (religion being replaced by THR GTEAT NATION), one size fits all citizenship etc. Certainly not a sensible thing for a boilerplate American conservative like yourself to support.

I'm actually rather fond of the quasi-dirigisme and "one side fits all citizenship." The latter is one of my favorite things about France; much preferable to the 24/7/365 low-intensity race war we have in America.

Hostility to parliamentarianism/strongmanism seems like an inevitable outcome of a presidential system. Hostility to parliamentarianism has been a defining feature of the Obama administration, though instead of strong-manism, we got technocracy.

You're a special case though. Boilerplate American conservatives saying stuff like "well France is super socialist so I'm definitely voting for the most right candidate" is more confusing. Imagine proposing a complete ban of any religious clothing in public schools and institutions at a Tea Party meeting - you'd be frozen out. Whereas that would be considered a reasonable moderate opinion in France - the fn would want to extend the ban to pretty much all public arenas.
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« Reply #24 on: April 13, 2016, 01:37:25 PM »
Don't like both, but Sarkozy is the lesser evil.
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