Opinion of Vladimir Lenin

[Intell]

Lean FF.

[OSR stands with Israel]

He was a communist so automatic mega HP

[Intell]

He was a communist so automatic mega HP

Same as Tito, Dubceck, Spanish Civil war Communists and those fighting against Nazism?

[Derpist]

Lean HP for taking Russia out of World War I and almost letting the Kaiserreich romp to victory.

As for the communism thing, lean HP for suppressing the righteous Kronstadt rebellion - the second moment when the Bolshevik Revolution went astray

[Pyro]

FF. Hero for the proletariat. Magnificent writing and theory. Helped to lead the most democratic revolution of our time. Did the best with what he could in Russia considering the Civil War and the failure of the German Revolution. Just wish he threw out Stalin before it was too late.
-Me from last time this topic came up.

[OSR stands with Israel]

He was a communist so automatic mega HP

Same as Tito, Dubceck, Spanish Civil war Communists and those fighting against Nazism?

Just because Nazis were also mega mega hps it doesnt make their commie opposition FF.

[Antonio the Sixth]

HP with some redeeming features. Could certainly have taken Russia to a far better direction if he hadn't died so soon.

[Grand Wizard Lizard of the Klan]

Well horrible person as a person, freedom fighter as a leader, one of the greatest revolutionaries in history and probably one of the most important person of the XX century.

[White Trash]

Undemocratic=HP

[NeverAgain]

He was smarter and a better leader than Stalin, but that isn't saying much. I say HP as I do with most of these guys, just because he wasn't that bad himself, doesn't mean the ideas and the path he started was.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

He was smarter and a better leader than Stalin, but that isn't saying much. I say HP as I do with most of these guys, just because he wasn't that bad himself, doesn't mean the ideas and the path he started was.

This.

It's a shame February Revolution didn't endure (mostly because of that moron Kerensky's decision to continue the war).

[dax00]

FF. Lenin was not the problem. The idea wasn't the problem. The corruptibility of the idea, and such, as taken advantage of - by Stalin - was the problem.

[Sir Mohamed]

HP. He was a dictator who killed thousands or millions of political opponents.

[Mr. Reactionary]

HP. He was a dictator who killed thousands or millions of political opponents.

But ... but ... sharing and rich people are evil and every single person will never, ever want ever. The mass murders were just an unfortunate side effect ... no they were justified against evil class traitors ... no they never even happened.

[Chunk Yogurt for President!]

Led Russia into the misery of Communism.

[Murica!]

Betrayed the Revolution and the plight of the International Working Class. HP.

[Zioneer]

Betrayed the Revolution and the plight of the International Working Class. HP.

Wait, haven't basically every Communist ruler ever betrayed the Revolution by that standard?

[Blair]

HP- in popular history he's seen as the leftist saviour whilst it was Stalin who ruined socialism. In fact it was Lenin who expanded the secret police, killed political enemies. I mean his policies in the Russian civil war where up there with Japan, and Nazi Germany for war crimes

[Goldwater]

Obvious HP is obvious.

[Murica!]

Betrayed the Revolution and the plight of the International Working Class. HP.

Wait, haven't basically every Communist ruler ever betrayed the Revolution by that standard?

A "communist ruler" is an oxymoron in the first place, so yes.

[SWE]

Garbage (literally normal)

[Oldiesfreak1854]

Communist = HP.

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

About the only thing I'd say is he was probably the most perceptive of the various political actors in Russia. Other than that, terribad.

[President Johnson]

Massive HP. The regime he created was one of the worst dictatorships ever. And Lenin's leadership himself was also anything but democratic.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

FF. Lenin was not the problem. The idea wasn't the problem. The corruptibility of the idea, and such, as taken advantage of - by Stalin - was the problem.

The idea itself is quack pseudo-science.

The idea that you can eliminate class based divisions and then just flip a switch to having no gov't at all is completely out of touch with the reality that is human nature. In the latter sense it makes the mistake of all anarchists in presuming that such wouldn't melt down into anarchy and lead to the people rallying around the first strong man on a horse who rides in to save the day.

In the former, it fails to account for the fact that humans are flawed and easily corruptable, meaning once empowered through the process that is suppose to remove class based divisions, the Communist elite will move to preserve its own power and thus never completing the cycle anyway.

It is the perfect illustration of an analysis expressed in the simple language of a Mexican bandit in the Sergio Leone western, "Duck! You Sucker" set in the Mexican Revolution. "The people who read the books, they go to the people who don't read and tell them it is time to make a change, so the poor people make the change. Then all the people who read the books, they sit around their big polished table, and talk and talk and talk, and eat and eat and eat, meanwhile what has happened to the poor people? They're dead! That's your Revolution! And then you know what happens, the same fing thing starts all over again.

There never has, and there never will be a successful Communist Revolution, because Communism doesn't account for the flawed nature of humanity. Lenin was the first example of human nature corrupting the process. These people were terrorist thugs and killers, who but for the complex nature of the events surrounding the last Tsar and World War I, would have never found their way into power.