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« on: April 14, 2016, 10:26:15 PM »

I find it a little bit insulting, actually, as if because the region is so "poor and stupid", hillary heavily relying on it to be beating him  is not a big deal.

Hey Bernie, when you self-proclaim yourself as the knight in shining armor for the poor in america, maybe you shouldn't treat the region with the most of the people you claim to be fighting for as an afterthought and a region that doesn't matter.
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« Reply #1 on: April 14, 2016, 10:26:43 PM »

I agree
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« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2016, 10:52:37 PM »

Yeah, Hillary missed an opportunity to dig the knife in on this point.

Instead she chose to emphasize that her wins are not just in the South but that she instead has a broad coalition. She's right, of course, but... Bernie discounting the South could have looked really bad on him if Hillary had framed it a certain way.
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« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2016, 10:56:06 PM »

As a Southerner, I agree
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« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2016, 10:58:46 PM »

I don't like it, but I also don't dislike disregarding the caucus states.
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« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2016, 10:59:51 PM »

It certainly was an interesting shift from his "50 State Strategy" for Democrats to "The South is too conservative to matter."
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« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2016, 11:03:07 PM »
« Edited: April 14, 2016, 11:06:26 PM by Santander »

Sanders isn't racist, but he's basically saying that Hillary won because blacks blindly supported her. It's normal practice for Democrats to treat Southern whites with contempt.
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« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2016, 11:03:30 PM »

I don't care for it either, but still would vote for him over Hillary.
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« Reply #8 on: April 14, 2016, 11:04:35 PM »

He didn't brush it aside. His point is that Hillary's lead comes from her huge wins in south, which is done voting except KY and WV. Bernie does better with both whites and blacks in the north.
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« Reply #9 on: April 14, 2016, 11:13:43 PM »

I can only imagine how the media would've treated Hillary if she did this in 08. She would've looked like George Wallace by the time they were done with her.
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« Reply #10 on: April 14, 2016, 11:18:27 PM »

He's angry that he is losing and he is lashing out.
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« Reply #11 on: April 14, 2016, 11:21:33 PM »

It's a really stupid point by him too because there is no meaning whatsoever to the idea that winning red states in a Democratic primary means anything. Not important at all! Romney won lots of blue states in the primaries, must be why he won Gingrich's home state in the general -_-
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« Reply #12 on: April 14, 2016, 11:26:35 PM »

No one has ever cared about us. How is this news?
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« Reply #13 on: April 14, 2016, 11:27:48 PM »

No one has ever cared about us. How is this news?

Your state is now Northern because of highly educated, cosmopolitan, diverse Northern Virginia (<33333333333)
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« Reply #14 on: April 14, 2016, 11:30:09 PM »

This is a bizarre talking-point. I don't understand why he thinks it's a good idea to use it.
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« Reply #15 on: April 14, 2016, 11:33:24 PM »

It does remind me a lot of when Hillary in 2008, as a losing candidate, talked about the states "that mattered" supporting her.  Of course back then she was talking specifically about 'big' states and swing states, not ones dominated by a particular race. Undecided
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« Reply #16 on: April 14, 2016, 11:44:24 PM »

Desperate Bernie flip flops on his old positions now that his failing campaign is circling the drain. SAD!

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« Reply #17 on: April 15, 2016, 12:45:32 AM »

I don't like it, but I also don't dislike disregarding the caucus states.

Caucuses are exercises in voter suppression. That's what's being criticized, not the fact that they voted for Sanders. 
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« Reply #18 on: April 15, 2016, 12:50:36 AM »

Democrats whine 24-7 about the south. Bernie's just catering to the base.
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« Reply #19 on: April 15, 2016, 01:16:37 AM »

No one cares.
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« Reply #20 on: April 15, 2016, 01:18:25 AM »


About what Sanders says? I agree, absolutely.
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« Reply #21 on: April 15, 2016, 01:24:36 AM »

I don't like it, but I also don't dislike disregarding the caucus states.

Caucuses are exercises in voter suppression. That's what's being criticized, not the fact that they voted for Sanders. 

And, of course, people only started complaining about them after he starting scoring massive victories there. Not a peep after Iowa and Nevada. Nothing suspicious about that.
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« Reply #22 on: April 15, 2016, 01:29:37 AM »

I don't like it, but I also don't dislike disregarding the caucus states.

Caucuses are exercises in voter suppression. That's what's being criticized, not the fact that they voted for Sanders. 

And, of course, people only started complaining about them after he starting scoring massive victories there. Not a peep after Iowa and Nevada. Nothing suspicious about that.

Don't be disingenuous. People were complaining even back in 2008. And they sure as hell complained after this year's Iowa debacle.
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« Reply #23 on: April 15, 2016, 01:33:18 AM »

I don't like it, but I also don't dislike disregarding the caucus states.

Caucuses are exercises in voter suppression. That's what's being criticized, not the fact that they voted for Sanders. 

And, of course, people only started complaining about them after he starting scoring massive victories there. Not a peep after Iowa and Nevada. Nothing suspicious about that.

Don't be disingenuous. People were complaining even back in 2008. And they sure as hell complained after this year's Iowa debacle.

I'm guessing that if Clinton won the caucus states by the same margins Sanders did, it would be Sanders supporters railing against caucuses, and Clinton supporters defending them while accusing Sanders supporters of brushing aside those states. I won't deny that there are inherent problems with caucuses, but disregarding the votes that were cast is hardly better than disregarding the Southern contests. Every vote and state should matter.
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« Reply #24 on: April 15, 2016, 02:10:22 AM »

White progressives love to let everyone know they're so much better than everyone, and that if you have a different opinion, you're clearly wrong. It was like this with rural whites who vote Republican and now it's African-Americans who vote for Clinton. So if anything, this primary has really exposed their sh**tty elitist attitude.
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