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« on: April 16, 2016, 01:22:45 AM »

Meaning he'd need more delegates than are actually available to secure a majority.

I recall him using this argument against Kasich as evidence he should drop out. So will Rafael take his own advice and drop out?
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« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2016, 01:29:05 AM »
« Edited: April 16, 2016, 01:31:44 AM by Wulfric »

All three of them are staying in all the way.

And actually, he won't reach that point until the 26th. 852 delegates are left as of right now, he needs 692 per AP. NY has 95, not 190.
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« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2016, 01:30:35 AM »

Technically untrue, once you consider the large amounts of unpledged delegates out there among whom Cruz has a massive advantage.

(Doesn't change the fact that it is all but guaranteed to not happen, of course.)
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« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2016, 01:58:02 AM »

You're expecting Cruz to live by his own standards? Madness, I say, madness!
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« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2016, 02:04:23 AM »
« Edited: April 16, 2016, 02:07:10 AM by wolfsblood07 »

Cruz has been riding high for the last couple of weeks, as Trump hit a few bumps in the road.  A lot of people like Hugh Hewitt have been talking like Cruz is going to be the nominee.  But starting next week, watch as Cruz gets hammered.  He won't be winning states for a while.  Maybe this whole idea of a brokered convention with multiple ballots was cooked up by Hewitt and others who can't stand the thought of Trump and his populist pitch.  And if it does go to a 2nd ballot, why should Cruz get it?  I put the odds of Cruz winning the nomination at about 5%. Not only does the establishment hate him, but the people haven't supported him either.
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« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2016, 04:58:05 AM »

And if it does go to a 2nd ballot, why should Cruz get it?

Because he's completely dominated the delegate selection process?
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« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2016, 09:41:18 AM »

Cruz has been riding high for the last couple of weeks, as Trump hit a few bumps in the road.  A lot of people like Hugh Hewitt have been talking like Cruz is going to be the nominee.  But starting next week, watch as Cruz gets hammered.  He won't be winning states for a while.  Maybe this whole idea of a brokered convention with multiple ballots was cooked up by Hewitt and others who can't stand the thought of Trump and his populist pitch.  And if it does go to a 2nd ballot, why should Cruz get it?  I put the odds of Cruz winning the nomination at about 5%. Not only does the establishment hate him, but the people haven't supported him either.

Yes. And why in the world would the GOP run a candidate like Cruz? Sorry, but Ted Cruz would be demolished in the GE, assuming Hillary Clinton secures the nomination on the Dem side. I think either Trump or Kasich could do well with independent voters and moderate Dems, a block that is needed by anyone seeking to be president. The latest Time magazine asks the question, "Can America Learn to Love Ted Cruz?" I believe the answer is "No".
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« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2016, 09:45:22 AM »

He can still prevent Trump from getting a majority. Although if this point is repeated enough in the media it might hurt Cruz a bit going forward.
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« Reply #8 on: April 16, 2016, 10:11:42 AM »

And if it does go to a 2nd ballot, why should Cruz get it?

Because he's completely dominated the delegate selection process?
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« Reply #9 on: April 16, 2016, 01:35:53 PM »

And if it does go to a 2nd ballot, why should Cruz get it?

Because he's completely dominated the delegate selection process?
Trump has completely dominated the primary process; why shouldn't he get it?
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« Reply #10 on: April 16, 2016, 01:38:10 PM »

And if it does go to a 2nd ballot, why should Cruz get it?

Because he's completely dominated the delegate selection process?
Trump has completely dominated the primary process; why shouldn't he get it?

Because he hasn't? He's just gotten a bunch of weak pluralities.
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« Reply #11 on: April 16, 2016, 01:42:47 PM »

And if it does go to a 2nd ballot, why should Cruz get it?

Because he's completely dominated the delegate selection process?
Trump has completely dominated the primary process; why shouldn't he get it?

Because he hasn't? He's just gotten a bunch of weak pluralities.

He's still done way better than Cruz...
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« Reply #12 on: April 16, 2016, 02:18:40 PM »
« Edited: April 16, 2016, 02:21:54 PM by wolfsblood07 »

And if it does go to a 2nd ballot, why should Cruz get it?

Because he's completely dominated the delegate selection process?
Trump has completely dominated the primary process; why shouldn't he get it?

Because he hasn't? He's just gotten a bunch of weak pluralities.
I like Cruz.  But Cruz is going to have a rough time in the next hew weeks.  Meanwhile Trump will be winning primaries.  The GOP may find that the best way forward is to bite the bullet and nominate Trump.  Paul Ryan is refusing to be the nominee.  If Cruz had won a lot of southern states, then there would be a stronger case for him.  Look at Arizona, Cruz got trounced here in this GOP stronghold.  I really think Cruz has a weaker hand than many have been saying.
The big question is how many delegates will Trump have going into Cleveland.  Right now he has a big lead. And it is about to get a lot bigger.
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« Reply #13 on: April 16, 2016, 02:32:10 PM »

And if it does go to a 2nd ballot, why should Cruz get it?

Because he's completely dominated the delegate selection process?
Trump has completely dominated the primary process; why shouldn't he get it?

Because he hasn't? He's just gotten a bunch of weak pluralities.

He's still done way better than Cruz...

I suppose that's fair, but the primary season has been polarized around trump in a way that it hasn't been around Cruz. People who vote against trump are rejecting him; that's not the case for the other candidates.

Anyway, I was dropping by this thread to note that it was mathematically impossible for what the opening post describes to take place in New York, and that it was a classic example of trump-supporter math (even if IceSpear isn't a trump supporter Tongue).
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« Reply #14 on: April 16, 2016, 02:34:08 PM »
« Edited: April 16, 2016, 02:43:52 PM by Fargobison »

And if it does go to a 2nd ballot, why should Cruz get it?

Because he's completely dominated the delegate selection process?
Trump has completely dominated the primary process; why shouldn't he get it?

Because he hasn't? He's just gotten a bunch of weak pluralities.
I like Cruz.  But Cruz is going to have a rough time in the next hew weeks.  Meanwhile Trump will be winning primaries.  The GOP may find that the best way forward is to bite the bullet and nominate Trump.  Paul Ryan is refusing to be the nominee.  If Cruz had won a lot of southern states, then there would be a stronger case for him.  Look at Arizona, Cruz got trounced here in this GOP stronghold.  I really think Cruz has a weaker hand than many have been saying.
The big question is how many delegates will Trump have going into Cleveland.  Right now he has a big lead. And it is about to get a lot bigger.

Cruz would have won a lot of states if Rubio wasn't splitting votes with him.

Rubio's base has gone mostly to Cruz.

I will add I don't think the GOP has a great path to take, no matter what happens a significant chunk of people will be upset.
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« Reply #15 on: April 16, 2016, 02:42:15 PM »

I like Cruz.  But Cruz is going to have a rough time in the next hew weeks.  Meanwhile Trump will be winning primaries.  The GOP may find that the best way forward is to bite the bullet and nominate Trump.  Paul Ryan is refusing to be the nominee.  If Cruz had won a lot of southern states, then there would be a stronger case for him.  Look at Arizona, Cruz got trounced here in this GOP stronghold.  I really think Cruz has a weaker hand than many have been saying.
The big question is how many delegates will Trump have going into Cleveland.  Right now he has a big lead. And it is about to get a lot bigger.

In reference to the bolded section of your post, "the GOP" has zero control over the process. If they had control, they would've prevented trump from running in the first place. As it stands, they cannot prevent Cruz from recruiting his own backers to be trump delegates.

As for trump's lead, his margin doesn't matter at all; what matters is what percent of total delegates he has. He's at 44% right now. If he wins every single available bound delegate (which won't happen) in both New York and on 4/26, he's still only up to 49%, and he'll then be declining again once Indiana and the Pacific Northwest vote. trump's path to the nomination is an extremely narrow one.
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