Trump gets obliterated by Cruz forces in Georgia's District Conventions

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As much as I dislike Trump, this is truly disguisting.

Bullsh**t. Trump needs to be stopped and any means to do so is acceptable. Of course they are merely using the existing rules here so I don't see what the problem is.

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As much as I dislike Trump, this is truly disguisting.

Bullsh**t. Trump needs to be stopped and any means to do so is acceptable. Of course they are merely using the existing rules here so I don't see what the problem is.

I can't quite decide which one of us hates Trump more. What do you think? 

Oh, hi friend by the way. How's it going?

Haha it has to be me. I can't imagine anyone hating him more.

I'm doing well and hope you are doing the same. Btw, I'm voting for Cruz. Who would have thought that would happen.

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As much as I dislike Trump, this is truly disguisting.

Bullsh**t. Trump needs to be stopped and any means to do so is acceptable. Of course they are merely using the existing rules here so I don't see what the problem is.

The problem is not whether we support Trump of Cruz, the problem is that primary votes should matter. I'm very much in favor of Sanders, but I dissaprove of him getting more delegates than Hillary in Nevada, despite losing the state.

Again, as I mentioned, stopping Trump by any means is acceptable to me. A fascist should not be the nominee of one of the two major parties.

Also, trump hasn't got the majority of the votes in any state so why should he be entitled to the majority of delegates? And before you go on about rules, Cruz is also just using the existing rules in his favor. Additionally, if the Republicans had similar rules to the Democrats, Trump wouldn't have been able to get even close to a majority of the delegates because he only gets about 40% of the vote. If anything the rules are stacked in his favor, not against him.

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As much as I dislike Trump, this is truly disguisting.

Bullsh**t. Trump needs to be stopped and any means to do so is acceptable. Of course they are merely using the existing rules here so I don't see what the problem is.

If you had any principled reason to oppose Trump, you'd never say something like this. I can't imagine anyone who wants to stop a "fascist" would be cheering the active subversion of democracy, and voting for a man who is honestly quite similar to - and possibly much worse than - Donald Trump in views and rhetoric.

Are you being serious? When has Cruz said that all Mexicans are rapists? When has he said all Muslims should be given special ID's so they can be tracked? Has he called for all Muslims to be excluded from America? Has he even called for all 12 million illegals to be forcibly removed from the U.S.? Are his rallies full of white supremacists and neo Nazis? Are people who are Muslim or may look Muslim (people of south Asian descent) called terrorists and heckled at his rallies? Has he called for the U.S. Military to commit war crimes?

Cruz is an extremist but he is an acceptable part of the political discourse in America. What is truly scary is people like you accepting Trump as a valid part of the political discourse in America. You are validating the open use of race baiting and racial violence as an acceptable part of the political discourse in America. That is VERY, VERY scary. Scarier than Trump or his supporters.

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When people rely on "It's technically within the rules!" to justify something, you know it's wrong, they know it's wrong, any are only relying on it being technically allowed to justify it.

As much as I dislike Trump, this is wrong when the clear intent of the primaries is to have a democratic exercise. It's one think to woo uncommitted delegates, it's another to hijack the process and replace delegates voted on by people with double-agent, ninja delegates, with no true loyalty to who they are pledged to represent.

Why should someone who hasn't got the majority of the vote get the majority of the delegates? If the Republicans had rules similar to the democrats, trump would only have about 40% of delegates. It's completely unfair he may be able to get a majority of the delegates with just 40% of the vote.

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Are you being serious? When has Cruz said that all Mexicans are rapists? When has he said all Muslims should be given special ID's so they can be tracked? Has he called for all Muslims to be excluded from America? Has he even called for all 12 million illegals to be forcibly removed from the U.S.? Are his rallies full of white supremacists and neo Nazis? Are people who are Muslim or may look Muslim (people of south Asian descent) called terrorists and heckled at his rallies? Has he called for the U.S. Military to commit war crimes?

Most of that stuff about Trump isn't anywhere near true either.  You'll really enjoy life more if you stop inventing terrible things to believe and simply live in reality.

His entire campaign is about racial animosity towards anyone who isn't white! It is a fact that people who look muslims and were peacefully at Trump rallies have been heckled by his wonderful supporters. He has plenty of support among white supremacists and neo nazis, you can't deny that. And he has literally called for the exclusion of all muslims from the US! What exactly is not factual about what I said?

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Are you being serious? When has Cruz said that all Mexicans are rapists? When has he said all Muslims should be given special ID's so they can be tracked? Has he called for all Muslims to be excluded from America? Has he even called for all 12 million illegals to be forcibly removed from the U.S.? Are his rallies full of white supremacists and neo Nazis? Are people who are Muslim or may look Muslim (people of south Asian descent) called terrorists and heckled at his rallies? Has he called for the U.S. Military to commit war crimes?

Most of that stuff about Trump isn't anywhere near true either.  You'll really enjoy life more if you stop inventing terrible things to believe and simply live in reality.

http://money.cnn.com/2016/03/12/media/cbs-sopan-deb-arrest-trump-rally

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Are you being serious? When has Cruz said that all Mexicans are rapists? When has he said all Muslims should be given special ID's so they can be tracked? Has he called for all Muslims to be excluded from America? Has he even called for all 12 million illegals to be forcibly removed from the U.S.? Are his rallies full of white supremacists and neo Nazis? Are people who are Muslim or may look Muslim (people of south Asian descent) called terrorists and heckled at his rallies? Has he called for the U.S. Military to commit war crimes?

Most of that stuff about Trump isn't anywhere near true either.  You'll really enjoy life more if you stop inventing terrible things to believe and simply live in reality.

http://money.cnn.com/2016/03/12/media/cbs-sopan-deb-arrest-trump-rally

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You describe it as though it's a routine thing, like they have their two minutes of hate where Trump leads the crowd in cheering against dark-skinned members of the audience.  When all you have is one idiot saying something mean to an Indian guy.

It happens all the time! You hear from people on twitter all the time about the amount of racial abuse at Trump rallies. I have thought about going to one to see if that is actually true, but I don't really like being racially abused myself.....

In any case, it's quite clear Trump has attracted the trashiest of Americans to follow and support him. You can watch any video montage of his supporters to figure that out.

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As much as I dislike Trump, this is truly disguisting.

Bullsh**t. Trump needs to be stopped and any means to do so is acceptable. Of course they are merely using the existing rules here so I don't see what the problem is.

If you had any principled reason to oppose Trump, you'd never say something like this. I can't imagine anyone who wants to stop a "fascist" would be cheering the active subversion of democracy, and voting for a man who is honestly quite similar to - and possibly much worse than - Donald Trump in views and rhetoric.

Are you being serious? When has Cruz said that all Mexicans are rapists? When has he said all Muslims should be given special ID's so they can be tracked? Has he called for all Muslims to be excluded from America? Has he even called for all 12 million illegals to be forcibly removed from the U.S.? Are his rallies full of white supremacists and neo Nazis? Are people who are Muslim or may look Muslim (people of south Asian descent) called terrorists and heckled at his rallies? Has he called for the U.S. Military to commit war crimes?

Cruz is an extremist but he is an acceptable part of the political discourse in America. What is truly scary is people like you accepting Trump as a valid part of the political discourse in America. You are validating the open use of race baiting and racial violence as an acceptable part of the political discourse in America. That is VERY, VERY scary. Scarier than Trump or his supporters.

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I just said that Cruz is as bad or worse than Trump - meaning that both must be awful. But, I'll reiterate.

Cruz has said some pretty disgusting things, too. In the wake of the Brussels terror attacks he was talking about how great it would be if we had the police patrolling Muslin neighborhoods. This, of course, would not do anything to stop terror, but would just incite fear in the Muslim population of America. It's just more hot-headed racist rhetoric. The type of rhetoric that is supposedly your problem with Trump.

Also, Cruz HAS called on the U.S. Military to commit war crimes. He said that we should carpet-bomb the middle east to stop ISIS and "find out if sand can glow in the dark." Carpet bombing civilian areas is considered a war crime under Protocol I of the Geneva Convention.

There will be some bluster in a campaign but what Cruz said about carpet bombing is the maximum I would expect from a campaign. It is debatable what is or is not considered carpet bombing and it's not something that could ever be used against him as a broken campaign promise. Saying you want to kill the families of ISIS members is pretty specific....And the worst part is he could not even understand why what he said was wrong.

And while Cruz has been saying some horrible things, he also understands the constitution. For Trump the constitution is an impediment to what he wants. I am terrified of what he would actually do if he is president. At least with Cruz I know he will stay within the bounds of the constitution. Don't get me wrong, Cruz will be horrible. Trump could be Hitler.

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Are you being serious? When has Cruz said that all Mexicans are rapists? When has he said all Muslims should be given special ID's so they can be tracked? Has he called for all Muslims to be excluded from America? Has he even called for all 12 million illegals to be forcibly removed from the U.S.? Are his rallies full of white supremacists and neo Nazis? Are people who are Muslim or may look Muslim (people of south Asian descent) called terrorists and heckled at his rallies? Has he called for the U.S. Military to commit war crimes?

Most of that stuff about Trump isn't anywhere near true either.  You'll really enjoy life more if you stop inventing terrible things to believe and simply live in reality.

http://money.cnn.com/2016/03/12/media/cbs-sopan-deb-arrest-trump-rally

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You describe it as though it's a routine thing, like they have their two minutes of hate where Trump leads the crowd in cheering against dark-skinned members of the audience.  When all you have is one idiot saying something mean to an Indian guy.

It happens all the time! You hear from people on twitter all the time about the amount of racial abuse at Trump rallies. I have thought about going to one to see if that is actually true, but I don't really like being racially abused myself.....

In any case, it's quite clear Trump has attracted the trashiest of Americans to follow and support him. You can watch any video montage of his supporters to figure that out.

So you don't even know for sure that it's actually true, but you make strong assertions based on its truth.  OK.

And every candidate attracts trashy people.  If you think Cruz doesn't have racists and other terrible people on his side you're dead wrong.  Same with Kasich, I'm sure there are some terrible people supporting him.  Bernie and Hillary obviously have mountains of just awful lefties supporting them.  Trump's assholes get attention because they're part of a story.

Oh of course Kasich and Cruz (and the Democrats too) have terrible people supporting them. The difference is that Trump empowers the trash humans and legitimizes their horrible view of the world. Dog whistle politics is bad, but actually saying racist sh**t out loud/advocating for racist, unconstitutional policies is over the line. That's the difference between Romney/Bush/Cruz and Trump. I don't know if he will actually act in the unconstitutional manner he says he will, I just don't want to find out. Just like I don't know whether or not I will be racially abused at a Trump rally, I just don't want to find out.

Also, I doubt I would be racially abused at a Cruz or Kasich rally. Doesn't mean that some at those rallies wouldn't look at me and have similar thoughts to Trump supporters, they just wouldn't feel empowered/safe to say such things in public. There is a lot of nastiness in this world, and it didn't start with Trump, but he is making it ok to act like that in public.