kasich wishes lgbt+ people would "just get over" discrimination

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

There's nothing not moderate about this.

oh absolutely, he's the direct equivalent to mlk's White Moderates. i was poking fun at the "reasonable/sensible" part

[Kingpoleon]

MLK's white moderates speech was just as much about economics than social issues, if not more so.

[Figueira]

Kasich's position is basically "The state shouldn't be passing laws sanctioning lgbt discrimination because it is too difficult to "get it right", but at the same time, if you're an lgbt person who is discriminated against, please just find another vendor rather than running to the nearest court." It is honestly a weird position, but I don't vote on SSM anyways so he can honestly say whatever the hell he wants for all I care.

I'm sure he's happy to know he has your approval.

[Cruzcrew]

A Small Business should have the right to decline service to anybody they want.

So we again will need publications like this to know where and where my type or your type is welcome or not?

I'd be perfectly fine with that. If they don't want to serve me, their economy can gladly continue to suffer

agreed if a small business declines to serve you what you want, dont shop there and tell your friends and family not to.

Agreed. These days it isn't so difficult to organize a boycott of such businesses that would do that with the internet.

[EliteLX]

He's a conservative, you're going to find conservative stances that might not be on par with your viewpoints. It's not a contest to see which Republican can act more like a Democrat, that's why they're Republicans you asshat.

[LLR]

Don't you just love it when rich white christian men insult minorities!

There goes my last shred of respect for this man. Pandering nonsense, almost as bad as Rubot.

[Simfan34]

I know lots of right-wing people who are slamming Kasich for his "spinelessness" because he's refused to back "religious liberty" exemptions from providing certain services to gay people. This is the flip-side of that, and it's clear that the left-wingers here are no less restrained in their sanctimonious OUTRAGE that Kasich doesn't conform entirely to their opinions. Kasich's position is genuinely one of moderation-- he essentially agrees with the liberal policy perspective on this issue, and only calls for maybe not crying bloody murder about it-- and we see what kind of response that provokes.

This election, and the abuse that has been hurled at John Kasich, has shown me that left only feigns tolerance for "moderate Republicans", when in actuality-- as we've seen with Kasich-- they have no hesitation in labelling anything that diverges from Democratic Party orthodoxy as "extremism". I've seen Kasich called "extreme" for being pro-life, anti-union, cutting taxes... seriously, if you were to ask them what kind of "moderate Republican" they'd consider tolerable, you'd get someone more or less with the political views of Hillary Clinton.

[NeverAgain]

lol. "Sensible-Conservative".

[Sprouts Farmers Market ✘]

I know lots of right-wing people who are slamming Kasich for his "spinelessness" because he's refused to back "religious liberty" exemptions from providing certain services to gay people. This is the flip-side of that, and it's clear that the left-wingers here are no less restrained in their sanctimonious OUTRAGE that Kasich doesn't conform entirely to their opinions. Kasich's position is genuinely one of moderation-- he essentially agrees with the liberal policy perspective on this issue, and only calls for maybe not crying bloody murder about it-- and we see what kind of response that provokes.

This election, and the abuse that has been hurled at John Kasich, has shown me that left only feigns tolerance for "moderate Republicans", when in actuality-- as we've seen with Kasich-- they have no hesitation in labelling anything that diverges from Democratic Party orthodoxy as "extremism". I've seen Kasich called "extreme" for being pro-life, anti-union, cutting taxes... seriously, if you were to ask them what kind of "moderate Republican" they'd consider tolerable, you'd get someone more or less with the political views of Hillary Clinton.

The left finds Hillary Clinton positively unpalatable so you may want to reconsider that. Orthodoxy is a staple as you move out thataways.

[Mercenary]

He's right. People are overreacting to all this and they should calm down as things will settle down in time.

Anyway, while I agree that Kasich isn't a moderate, he is a conservative, one doesn't have to be a social liberal to be a moderate.

What is the supposed "moderate" position on LGBT issues?
And even if his position on this issue isn't supposedly a moderate one, a person doesn't have to have a moderate position on every single issue to be a moderate.

What about someone who is say gay marriage but thinks people should use their biology as the basis for what bathroom they use? Is this person a liberal, a conservative, or a moderate?

What about a person who is pro-life but also pro-LGBT rights? Or pro-choice and anti-LGBT rights? Or does moderate just mean a social liberal who isn't a socialist these days?

[Deblano]

I know lots of right-wing people who are slamming Kasich for his "spinelessness" because he's refused to back "religious liberty" exemptions from providing certain services to gay people. This is the flip-side of that, and it's clear that the left-wingers here are no less restrained in their sanctimonious OUTRAGE that Kasich doesn't conform entirely to their opinions. Kasich's position is genuinely one of moderation-- he essentially agrees with the liberal policy perspective on this issue, and only calls for maybe not crying bloody murder about it-- and we see what kind of response that provokes.

This election, and the abuse that has been hurled at John Kasich, has shown me that left only feigns tolerance for "moderate Republicans", when in actuality-- as we've seen with Kasich-- they have no hesitation in labelling anything that diverges from Democratic Party orthodoxy as "extremism". I've seen Kasich called "extreme" for being pro-life, anti-union, cutting taxes... seriously, if you were to ask them what kind of "moderate Republican" they'd consider tolerable, you'd get someone more or less with the political views of Hillary Clinton.

Amen.

[TJ in Oregon]

I know lots of right-wing people who are slamming Kasich for his "spinelessness" because he's refused to back "religious liberty" exemptions from providing certain services to gay people. This is the flip-side of that, and it's clear that the left-wingers here are no less restrained in their sanctimonious OUTRAGE that Kasich doesn't conform entirely to their opinions. Kasich's position is genuinely one of moderation-- he essentially agrees with the liberal policy perspective on this issue, and only calls for maybe not crying bloody murder about it-- and we see what kind of response that provokes.

This election, and the abuse that has been hurled at John Kasich, has shown me that left only feigns tolerance for "moderate Republicans", when in actuality-- as we've seen with Kasich-- they have no hesitation in labelling anything that diverges from Democratic Party orthodoxy as "extremism". I've seen Kasich called "extreme" for being pro-life, anti-union, cutting taxes... seriously, if you were to ask them what kind of "moderate Republican" they'd consider tolerable, you'd get someone more or less with the political views of Hillary Clinton.

Shortly before the Wisconsin primary I went to a Kasich campaign event wherein the Kasich campaign official present went on a bit of a diatribe about his campaign believes that it is time we stop talking about social issues in politics and that you should be allowed to do whatever you want as long as it isn't hurting someone else. He went on to point out that Kasich's campaign is completely ignoring abortion, gay marriage, and any other notable social issue. I did get a chance to ask why, as governor of Ohio, Kasich has a pro-life record but his campaign doesn't want to talk about it. I got some nonsensical gibberish about how the president doesn't have any effect on abortion law as a response. I also asked about Merrick Garland and the guy told me that Merrick Garland is a conservative.

I walked in ready to vote for Kasich.

I voted for Ted Cruz.

[Kingpoleon]

I know lots of right-wing people who are slamming Kasich for his "spinelessness" because he's refused to back "religious liberty" exemptions from providing certain services to gay people. This is the flip-side of that, and it's clear that the left-wingers here are no less restrained in their sanctimonious OUTRAGE that Kasich doesn't conform entirely to their opinions. Kasich's position is genuinely one of moderation-- he essentially agrees with the liberal policy perspective on this issue, and only calls for maybe not crying bloody murder about it-- and we see what kind of response that provokes.

This election, and the abuse that has been hurled at John Kasich, has shown me that left only feigns tolerance for "moderate Republicans", when in actuality-- as we've seen with Kasich-- they have no hesitation in labelling anything that diverges from Democratic Party orthodoxy as "extremism". I've seen Kasich called "extreme" for being pro-life, anti-union, cutting taxes... seriously, if you were to ask them what kind of "moderate Republican" they'd consider tolerable, you'd get someone more or less with the political views of Hillary Clinton.

As has been pointed out before, all Republicans are not moderates because they are not Democrats and vice versa. Your lack of partisan dedication is amazing.

[JerryArkansas]

First saying that's its a girls fault that they were raped, now saying that people being discriminated against need to get over it.  Sad that he's considered the"Sane" Republican right there, just shows how far the party has fallen.

[Ogre Mage]

So is Kasich the candidate that Log Cabin Republicans are going to get behind?  Are we going to hear more talking points that we gay Democrats are about nothing but identity politics, our party isn't any better for gays (LOL), you're going to change the Republican Party from within.  Yeah, how's that working for you?  If Ted Cruz gets the nomination it will be funny seeing the utter $h**hole you will be in.

[Kingpoleon]

First saying that's its a girls fault that they were raped, now saying that people being discriminated against need to get over it.  Sad that he's considered the"Sane" Republican right there, just shows how far the party has fallen.

Ignorant comments like this make us less unified and weaker.

Salon Headline:
"Kingpoleon: JerryArkansas is 'ignorant' and makes America 'weaker!' LOL 'Moderate'!"

[Sprouts Farmers Market ✘]

So is Kasich the candidate that Log Cabin Republicans are going to get behind?  Are we going to hear more talking points that we gay Democrats are about nothing but identity politics, our party isn't any better for gays (LOL), you're going to change the Republican Party from within.  Yeah, how's that working for you?  If Ted Cruz gets the nomination it will be funny seeing the utter $h**hole you will be in.

The gay Republicans are very solidly behind Trump and have been for quite some time. We will not back down. #LGBTrump #MakeAmericaFabulousAgain

[Derpist]

I'm starting to like Kasich more and more. I'm starting to think I'd prefer him over Ted Cruz at this point.

[Virginiá]

Gee, I wonder what people right now would think of a presidential candidate in 1960 - 1964 who says "Blacks need to get over voting rights and segregation. Find another place to live if you're turned away. It'll settle down."

Not supporting discrimination and the willingness to stick up for all Americans who are discriminated against is a non-negotiable requirement for my vote. I am sure as hell not going to just "get over it". If LGBT people decide to just "get over it", then state-sanctioned discrimination policies and general treatment from bigoted people will only get worse for us. The only people it will settle down for is the people who want to discriminate.

[JerryArkansas]

First saying that's its a girls fault that they were raped, now saying that people being discriminated against need to get over it.  Sad that he's considered the"Sane" Republican right there, just shows how far the party has fallen.

Ignorant comments like this make us less unified and weaker.

Salon Headline:
"Kingpoleon: JerryArkansas is 'ignorant' and makes America 'weaker!' LOL 'Moderate'!"

Who are you?  Why should I care about what you say  Obviously it is wrong.  Your defending a man who is victim blaming.  It's just as bad as him saying the same thing in regards to African American's, or to women.  You can't defend it.

[Mallow]

A Small Business should have the right to decline service to anybody they want.

So we again will need publications like this to know where and where my type or your type is welcome or not?

I'd be perfectly fine with that. If they don't want to serve me, their economy can gladly continue to suffer

agreed if a small business declines to serve you what you want, dont shop there and tell your friends and family not to.

How, exactly, is that going to help in, say, rural Alabama? If anything, support for discrimination against gays will HELP their business, not hurt it. They will be rewarded for debasing the value of another human.

Why should it be legal to refuse to serve someone at your public establishment because you don't like that they're black, or that they're gay, or a woman, or Irish, or Chinese, or of Jewish heritage, or that they have Cerebral Palsy, or Epilepsy, or Down Syndrome? Not only is it morally reprehensible, but it should absolutely be (and usually is) illegal to refuse service to someone based on any of the above unless there's a real and imminent danger to life and property introduced by doing so. "I don't agree with them" is not good enough. Neither is "it will fix itself via Capitalism". It demonstrably won't.

[Mallow]

Gee, I wonder what people right now would think of a presidential candidate in 1960 - 1964 who says "Blacks need to get over voting rights and segregation. Find another place to live if you're turned away. It'll settle down."

Not supporting discrimination and the willingness to stick up for all Americans who are discriminated against is a non-negotiable requirement for my vote. I am sure as hell not going to just "get over it". If LGBT people decide to just "get over it", then state-sanctioned discrimination policies and general treatment from bigoted people will only get worse for us. The only people it will settle down for is the people who want to discriminate.

This. Honestly surprised by the number of people on here who actually support the idea that actual, tangible discrimination isn't a serious problem, it's just something that "maybe if we ignore it it will go away." Just no.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

A Small Business should have the right to decline service to anybody they want.

So we again will need publications like this to know where and where my type or your type is welcome or not?

I'd be perfectly fine with that. If they don't want to serve me, their economy can gladly continue to suffer

agreed if a small business declines to serve you what you want, dont shop there and tell your friends and family not to.

Agreed. These days it isn't so difficult to organize a boycott of such businesses that would do that with the internet.

These days its pretty easy to buy body armor, so I assume you're okay with random people shooting you in the torso.

[OSR stands with Israel]

I know lots of right-wing people who are slamming Kasich for his "spinelessness" because he's refused to back "religious liberty" exemptions from providing certain services to gay people. This is the flip-side of that, and it's clear that the left-wingers here are no less restrained in their sanctimonious OUTRAGE that Kasich doesn't conform entirely to their opinions. Kasich's position is genuinely one of moderation-- he essentially agrees with the liberal policy perspective on this issue, and only calls for maybe not crying bloody murder about it-- and we see what kind of response that provokes.

This election, and the abuse that has been hurled at John Kasich, has shown me that left only feigns tolerance for "moderate Republicans", when in actuality-- as we've seen with Kasich-- they have no hesitation in labelling anything that diverges from Democratic Party orthodoxy as "extremism". I've seen Kasich called "extreme" for being pro-life, anti-union, cutting taxes... seriously, if you were to ask them what kind of "moderate Republican" they'd consider tolerable, you'd get someone more or less with the political views of Hillary Clinton.

Hillary Clinton would be considered a far right republican for some of these fringe poeple

[Mallow]

agreed if a small business declines to serve you what you want, dont shop there and tell your friends and family not to.

Agreed. These days it isn't so difficult to organize a boycott of such businesses that would do that with the internet.

These days its pretty easy to buy body armor, so I assume you're okay with random people shooting you in the torso.

This. Just because it is theoretically possible to deter discrimination with economics in some locations at some times doesn't mean it is the right or best solution.