Which US wars where justified or unjustified

[dead0man]

Can somebody (hopefully one that actually knows about it) explain why the War of 1812 would be unjustified?  Wasn't the UK constantly messing with us?  Stealing our dudes and forcing them into slavery?  How is that not an act of war?

[Oldiesfreak1854]

Can somebody (hopefully one that actually knows about it) explain why the War of 1812 would be unjustified?  Wasn't the UK constantly messing with us?  Stealing our dudes and forcing them into slavery?  How is that not an act of war?

That's exactly what I said in my post.  They were kidnapping American sailors and conscripting them into the Royal Navy.

[nicholas.slaydon]

America Revolution: Lean Justified
Indian Wars: Totally Unjustified
Mexican War: Totally Unjustified
Civil War: Totally Justified
Spanish American War: Unjustified
Philippine American War: Unjustified
WWI: eh
WWII: In Europe it was Totally Justified, but in the Pacific it was only justified in the beginning and got out of hand.
Korean War: Unjustified
Vietnam War: Totally Unjustified
Invasion Of Grenada: TOTALLY UNJUSTIFIED
Invasion of Panama: Totally Unjustified
Gulf War: Unjustified
War in Afghanistan: Totally Unjustified
Iraq War: TOTALLY UNJUSTIFIED
Invasion of Libya: TOTALLY UNJUSTIFIED
War against ISIS: Unjustified

[OSR stands with Israel]

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[America Needs R'hllor]

American Revolution- Justified
Indian Wars- Totally Unjustified
Mexican American War- Unjustified
Civil War- Totally Justified
Spanish American War- Unjustified
Philippine American War- Unjustified
World War 1- Justified
Pacific Front of World War 2- Totally Justified
European Front of World War 2- Totally Justified
Korean War- Justified
Vietnam War- Unjustified
Gulf War- Justified
Kosovo War- Justified
Afghanistan War- Justified
Iraq War- Unjustified
Libyan War- Unjustified
ISIS War- Totally Justified

[Wikipedia delenda est]

American Revolution: Totally Justified
Quasi-War: Justified
Barbary Wars: Justified
War of 1812: Justified
Indian Wars: Totally Unjustified
Mexican-American War: Totally Unjustified
Civil War: Totally Justified
Spanish-American War: Unjustified
Philippine-American War: Totally Unjustified
World War I: Unjustified
World War II: Totally Justified
Korean War: Justified
Vietnam War: Unjustified
Invasion of Grenada: Unjustified
Invasion of Panama: Unjustified
Gulf War: Justified
Kosovo War: Justified
Afghanistan War: Justified
Iraq War: Unjustified  
Libyan War: Unjustified
War on ISIS: Totally Justified

[Cashew]

American Revolution: Justified
Quasi War-: Justified
Barbary Wars: Justified
War of 1812: Justified
Indian Wars: Unjustified
Mexican American War- Unjustified
Civil War: Justified
Spanish American War: Unjustified
Philippine American War: Unjustified
World War 1: Neither
Pacific Front of World War 2: Justified
European Front of World War 2: Justified
Korean War: Justified
Vietnam War: Unjustified
Grenada Invasion: Unjustified
Panama Invasion: Unjustified
Gulf War: Unjustified
Kosovo War:  Unjustified
Afghanistan War: Justified
Iraq War: Unjustified
Libyan War: Neither- A no fly zone ≠ regime change.
ISIS War: Justified

[OSR stands with Israel]

You can put it in 7 categories, totally unjustified, unjustified , lean unjustified,neither, lean justified, justified , totally justified

Rating of Totally Unjustified- Only give this rating if you believe the US where the greater evil in this conflict

Rating of Totally Justified- Only give this rating is you believe the US had no choice but to fight, and choosing not to get involved would be unjustified


American Revolution- Totally Justified
Quasi War- Justified
Barbary Wars- Justified
War of 1812- Lean Justified
Indian Wars- Totally Unjustified
Mexican American War- Justified
Civil War- Totally Justified
Spanish American War- Lean Unjustified
Philippine American War- Totally Unjustified
World War 1- neither justified or Unjustified,
Pacific Front of World War 2- Totally Justified
European Front of World War 2- Totally Justified
Korean War- Justified
Vietnam War- Unjustified
Grenada Invasion- lean justified
Panama Invasion - lean unjustified
Gulf War- Justified
Kosovo War- lean unjustified
Afghanistan War- Justified
Iraq War- Unjustified
Libyan War- Lean Unjustified
ISIS War- Justified

Two changes I would make to this


Grenada Invasion: Justified
Panama Invasion: Lean Justified

[RINO Tom]

Civil War- Totally Unjustified

Care to expand on why the Civil War was "unjustified"?  You have always provided some of the more intelligent posts on this forum, so I can only assume this isn't something as hollow as apologism for the CSA.

For mine, I am going to judge strictly of whether or not it was justified for the United States to get involved at the moment that we did (i.e., I will pass no judgement on the length we were involved or our actions during the conflict).  Anyway, of the wars I know enough about:

Revolutionary War - Totally Justified
Barbary Wars - Justified
War of 1812 - Justified
Mexican-American War - Lean Justified, though pro-slavery reasons for war were obviously unjustified
Civil War - Totally Justified
Spanish-American War - Lean Unjustified
Philippine-American War - Unjustified
World War I - Justified
World War II - Totally Justified
Korean War - Lean Justified
Vietnam War - Unjustified, mostly due to the scope we committed to
Invasion of Granada - Lean Justified
Gulf War - Justified
War in Afghanistan - Totally Justified
War in Iraq - Lean Unjustified, though nowhere near as unjustified as most on this site contend
Intervention in Libya (Gaddafi) - Lean Justified
Intervention in Iraq (ISIS) - Justified

[Former President tack50]

For the ones I know about:

American Revolution: Justified
War of 1812: Unjustified
Indian Wars: Unjustified
Mexican American War- Unsure, Lean Unjustified
Civil War: Justified
Spanish American War: Unjustified
Philippine American War: Unjustified
World War 1: Lean justified
Pacific Front of World War 2: Justified
European Front of World War 2: Justified
Korean War: Justified
Vietnam War: Unjustified
Gulf War: Justified
Kosovo War:  Justified
Afghanistan War: Justified
Iraq War: Unjustified
Libyan War: Unclear
ISIS War: Justified

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

REVOLUTIONARY WAR
CIVIL WAR
WWI
WWII
KOREAN WAR
WAR ON TERROR

War of 1812
Mexican War
Spanish War
Vietnam War
Kosovo War
Gulf War I
Gulf War II

[Former President tack50]

How was the Mexican American war less justified then the Spanish one. In the Mexican american war the US goal is to annex parts of Mexico and make it part of the US and give those annexed terrorites state hood while the goal of the Spanish American war was to turn the annexed territories into colonies

As the Mexican war, we went in for no reason, but to a reason it was justified as it gave American statehood, it's was mixed on justification for me. For the Spanish-American war, was totally justified, we were fighting for the Cuban people against Spanish imperialism and for a Cuban republic.

Well, I could see the argument for the US to support the Cuban rebels indirectly, but the actual war was fought under false pretenses.

Plus the "liberation" and "anti imperialism" justification falls pretty quickly when you realize that the US held on to Puerto Rico and especially the Philippines (who were also fighting for independence)

[Sumner 1868]

American Revolution- Totally Justified
Quasi War- Unjustified
Barbary Wars- lean Justified lean Unjustified
War of 1812- Unjustified
Indian Wars- Totally Unjustified
Mexican American War- Totally Unjustified
Civil War- Totally Justified
Spanish American War- Totally Unjustified
Philippine American War- Totally Unjustified
World War 1- Totally Unjustified,
Pacific Front of World War 2- Totally Justified
European Front of World War 2- Totally Justified
Korean War- Totally Unjustified
Vietnam War- Totally Unjustified
Grenada Invasion- Totally Unjustified
Panama Invasion - Unjustified
Gulf War- Totally Unjustified
Kosovo War- Unjustified
Afghanistan War- Unjustified
Iraq War- Totally Unjustified
Libyan War- Totally Unjustified
ISIS War- Unjustified

Not much change in opinion.

[dead0man]

How was the Mexican American war less justified then the Spanish one. In the Mexican american war the US goal is to annex parts of Mexico and make it part of the US and give those annexed terrorites state hood while the goal of the Spanish American war was to turn the annexed territories into colonies

As the Mexican war, we went in for no reason, but to a reason it was justified as it gave American statehood, it's was mixed on justification for me. For the Spanish-American war, was totally justified, we were fighting for the Cuban people against Spanish imperialism and for a Cuban republic.

Well, I could see the argument for the US to support the Cuban rebels indirectly, but the actual war was fought under false pretenses.

Plus the "liberation" and "anti imperialism" justification falls pretty quickly when you realize that the US held on to Puerto Rico and especially the Philippines (who were also fighting for independence)

we let the Philippines go and would have let Puerto Rico go had they wanted it.

[Politician]

American Revolution: Totally Justified of course
Quasi War: Lean Justified
Barbary Wars: Lean Justified
War of 1812: Lean Unjustified
Indian Wars: Totally Unjustified
Mexican American War: Totally Unjustified
Civil War: Totally Justified
Spanish American War: Totally Unjustified
Philippines American War: Totally Unjustified
World War I: Tottaly Unjustified
World War II (Pacific): Justified
World War II (Europe): Totally Justified
Korean War: Lean Justified
Vietnam War: Unjustified
Grenada Invasion: Unjustified
Panama Invasion: Unjustified
Gulf War: Lean Justified
Kosovo War: Unjustified
Afghanistan War: Unjustified
Iraq War: Totally Unjustified
Libya War: Unjustified
ISIS War: Lean Unjustified

Overall, American involvement in wars has done more harm than good.

[RINO Tom]

Maybe I’ve had a few beers and I’m coming at this from too much of a Normal Everyday American perspective, but why the flying  is literally anybody saying getting involved in WWII’s European Front was, like, clearly more justified than the Pacific?!  FDR conspiracy theories aside, that’s incredibly dumb and Hot Take-esque.

[dead0man]

Maybe I’ve had a few beers and I’m coming at this from too much of a Normal Everyday American perspective, but why the flying  is literally anybody saying getting involved in WWII’s European Front was, like, clearly more justified than the Pacific?!  FDR conspiracy theories aside, that’s incredibly dumb and Hot Take-esque.

I don't understand the point of seperating them.  We were attacked by Japan and had Hitler and El Douche declare war on us.  Obviously we had clear justification for DEFENDING OURSELVES.

[OSR stands with Israel]

My New List Would Be:

American Revolution- Totally Justified
Quasi War- Justified
Barbary Wars- Justified
War of 1812- Lean Justified
Indian Wars- Totally Unjustified
Mexican American War- Justified
Civil War- Totally Justified
Spanish American War- Lean Unjustified
Philippine American War- Totally Unjustified
World War 1- Neither
Pacific Front of World War 2- Totally Justified
European Front of World War 2- Totally Justified
Korean War- Justified
Vietnam War- Unjustified
Grenada Invasion- Justified
Panama Invasion - lean justified
Gulf War- Justified
Kosovo War- Lean Justified
Afghanistan War- Justified
Iraq War- Unjustified
Libyan War- Lean Unjustified
ISIS War- Justified

[HillGoose]

Justified - all of them, even if they weren't good ideas (Vietnam) except for the campaigns against the Native Americans. Those wars weren't alright at all.

We should talk more about unjustified lack of military action - like the Rwandan Genocide, the 1990s Congo Conflict, Darfur Conflict, the LRA insurgency in Uganda and South Sudan, the Syrian Civil War, Iran threatening a second Holocaust, Robert Mugabe's rule in Zimbabwe, Putin's aggression against Ukraine, and the ongoing situation in Venezuela.