The Two Populist Coalitions

[DIXIECRAT]

Would you say that the "populist vote" is geographically, culturally, historically and even economically divided in two halves, one less racially charged and located in New England, the Upper Midwest, the Great Plains, the Mountain States and the Northwest, and the other more racially charged and located in the South, Appalachia, the Rust Belt and the Southwest?

[RINO Tom]

Don't care where they are located, just wish they'd relocate back to their more natural party.

[Goldwater]

So you're saying the two different coalitions would look something like this?

[White Trash]

Don't care where they are located, just wish they'd relocate back to their more natural party.

Me too.

[DIXIECRAT]

So you're saying the two different coalitions would look something like this?

Yes, more or less. The red one would be more likely to support a Ross Perot or a Pat Buchanan? and the blue one would be more likely to support a George Wallace or a Donald Trump.

[RINO Tom]

Don't care where they are located, just wish they'd relocate back to their more natural party.

Me too.

The unlikeliest of allies!

[windjammer]

Don't care where they are located, just wish they'd relocate back to their more natural party.

Me too.

The unlikeliest of allies!

The problem is that this is basically your electoral base, and you can't win without it.

[Boston Bread]

I think of it as ideological populism (red in Goldwater's map) vs identity populism (blue).

[RINO Tom]

Don't care where they are located, just wish they'd relocate back to their more natural party.

Me too.

The unlikeliest of allies!

The problem is that this is basically your electoral base, and you can't win without it.

And your electoral base is poor and lower-middle class folks, especially minorities.  Each party could obviously not get away with being elitist.

[windjammer]

Don't care where they are located, just wish they'd relocate back to their more natural party.

Me too.

The unlikeliest of allies!

The problem is that this is basically your electoral base, and you can't win without it.

And your electoral base is poor and lower-middle class folks, especially minorities.  Each party could obviously not get away with being elitist.

I think you don't understand what I wanted to say.
You can't pray for all of them to leave your party to join the democratic party because this is basically your electoral base, so your party would basically disappear.

I'm not wishing minorities to leave the democratic party, so that's not a problem for me .

[RINO Tom]

Don't care where they are located, just wish they'd relocate back to their more natural party.

Me too.

The unlikeliest of allies!

The problem is that this is basically your electoral base, and you can't win without it.

And your electoral base is poor and lower-middle class folks, especially minorities.  Each party could obviously not get away with being elitist.

I think you don't understand what I wanted to say.
You can't pray for all of them to leave your party to join the democratic party because this is basically your electoral base, so your party would basically disappear.

I'm not wishing minorities to leave the democratic party, so that's not a problem for me .

I think there's tons of room for non-business types in the GOP, I'd just honestly take the Puritan types (not like the GOP has ever been without a lot of them) over some odd reincarnation of Dixiecrats.

[White Trash]

Don't care where they are located, just wish they'd relocate back to their more natural party.

Me too.

The unlikeliest of allies!

The problem is that this is basically your electoral base, and you can't win without it.

And your electoral base is poor and lower-middle class folks, especially minorities.  Each party could obviously not get away with being elitist.

I think you don't understand what I wanted to say.
You can't pray for all of them to leave your party to join the democratic party because this is basically your electoral base, so your party would basically disappear.

I'm not wishing minorities to leave the democratic party, so that's not a problem for me .

I think there's tons of room for non-business types in the GOP, I'd just honestly take the Puritan types (not like the GOP has ever been without a lot of them) over some odd reincarnation of Dixiecrats.

Give us the Deep South and Appalachia and you can have New England. Deal?

[Goldwater]

2012 election map with the changes you suggested:

386-152

Yeah, no deal.

[Boston Bread]

^ But in return Trump would never have been competitive in the GOP primary. Those defections are what's causing the GOP to abandon your type of libertarian conservatism.

[White Trash]

2012 election map with the changes you suggested:

386-152

Yeah, no deal.

Take the West as well.

[Kingpoleon]

Don't care where they are located, just wish they'd relocate back to their more natural party.

Me too.

The unlikeliest of allies!

The problem is that this is basically your electoral base, and you can't win without it.

And your electoral base is poor and lower-middle class folks, especially minorities.  Each party could obviously not get away with being elitist.

I think you don't understand what I wanted to say.
You can't pray for all of them to leave your party to join the democratic party because this is basically your electoral base, so your party would basically disappear.

I'm not wishing minorities to leave the democratic party, so that's not a problem for me .

I think there's tons of room for non-business types in the GOP, I'd just honestly take the Puritan types (not like the GOP has ever been without a lot of them) over some odd reincarnation of Dixiecrats.

Give us the Deep South and Appalachia and you can have New England. Deal?

Yellow: 77
Green: 76
Red: 24
Blue: 23

101 EV(Yellow+Red) v. 99 EV(Green+Blue)

You might want to be more specific, Mr. Priebus and Mrs. Wasserman-Schultz.

[Kingpoleon]

2012 map using the Goldwater-SG deal:

273(D)
265(R)

Presumably, Scott Brown or Chris Christie or Walter Jones is the GOP populist in this scenario, while Trump might run as a Democrat.

[White Trash]

My proposal for the division.

[Kingpoleon]

Assuming you accidentally missed ME because it's at the bottom:

280: D
258: R

[White Trash]

Assuming you accidentally missed ME because it's at the bottom:

280: D
258: R

This is agreeable. With New Jersey, Ohio, Iowa, Delaware, Michigan and Missouri being swing states.

[YaBoyNY]

Ew.

I'll take New England and the West Coast over the South.

[smoltchanov]

Ew.

I'll take New England and the West Coast over the South.

South is bigger. If  demographic trends of last decades will continue - soon no one could afford to lose South. Cotton was "the King" in 19 century, now South pretends to be "the King"...

[White Trash]

Ew.

I'll take New England and the West Coast over the South.

We'd take a scum-filled, alligator infested pond over the capital of Yankeedom anyday