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King of Kensington
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« on: April 21, 2016, 07:07:37 PM »

Which groups become more Democrat or more Republican as they become more assimilated?

Here's a guess for a few:

Jews:  Less assimilated more R (Orthodox and immigrants), more assimilated more D, though the most assimilated of all, Jewish Christians would be more R again.

Italian Americans:  Less assimilated more R, more assimilated more D.  Italians in the NYC area (which has more single ancestry Italians and a disproportionate share of postwar immigrants) seem significantly more R than elsewhere.

Arab Americans:  More recent immigrants are more heavily Muslim and Arab Americans in the past were more R than they are today.  I think it's fair to say that the predominantly Christian descendants of earlier immigrants are more R.

Dutch Americans:  Their concentrations in Michigan, Iowa and Washington State are very conservative and still belong to fundie churches, while descendants of the colonial Dutch in NY/NJ have completely melted.   

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« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2016, 08:52:20 PM »

There definitely seems to be a split among East Asian Americans, with the older and less assimilated being more Republican compared to the youth, who is more Democratic.
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« Reply #2 on: April 21, 2016, 08:56:47 PM »

There definitely seems to be a split among East Asian Americans, with the older and less assimilated being more Republican compared to the youth, who is more Democratic.

I bet it's even stronger with Vietnamese.
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« Reply #3 on: April 21, 2016, 09:10:27 PM »

There definitely seems to be a split among East Asian Americans, with the older and less assimilated being more Republican compared to the youth, who is more Democratic.

I bet it's even stronger with Vietnamese.

Absolutely, you see a lot of residual conservatism even among the younger generations.
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« Reply #4 on: April 21, 2016, 09:13:45 PM »

Younger Cuban Americans are certainly a lot less politically conservative than older, foreign born Cubans.
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« Reply #5 on: April 22, 2016, 11:45:47 AM »

From what I've observed...

Russian Americans: Less assimilated more R, more assimilated more D.
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« Reply #6 on: April 22, 2016, 01:31:22 PM »

How do 80s/90s Polish immigrants vote?
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King of Kensington
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« Reply #7 on: April 22, 2016, 01:37:03 PM »

It makes obvious sense that the more assimilated, the closer to general American patterns.  Jews seems to be a partial exception.
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« Reply #8 on: April 23, 2016, 12:53:24 PM »

How about these two groups: Armenian Americans, and Lebanese Americans?
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« Reply #9 on: April 23, 2016, 08:04:15 PM »

It makes obvious sense that the more assimilated, the closer to general white American patterns.  Jews seems to be a partial exception.

For white immigrant groups
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« Reply #10 on: April 24, 2016, 12:30:12 AM »

There definitely seems to be a split among East Asian Americans, with the older and less assimilated being more Republican compared to the youth, who is more Democratic.

Probably moreso the case for Vietnamese and other southeast Asians.

I don't think Chinese- and Japanese-Americans have ever leaned Republican, at least not during a time period when there was any polling done.
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« Reply #11 on: April 25, 2016, 06:05:53 PM »

How about these two groups: Armenian Americans, and Lebanese Americans?

Usually more GOP as they assimilate. Yet they also seem to get more socially liberal too.
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« Reply #12 on: April 27, 2016, 10:45:33 AM »

Were Jewish Americans heavily D prior to FDR? 

Yes they were. In fact, many of the more secular, working class Jews voted for the radical Left! (i.e. the Socialist Party of America - Eugene Debs being their most successful candidate, of course.)
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« Reply #13 on: April 27, 2016, 06:33:46 PM »

I think in 1920 the Jewish vote was split between Harding and Debs!

The older German Jewish population was Republican in the past.
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« Reply #14 on: April 27, 2016, 07:55:02 PM »

I always like to quote the old interview of the original leader of Russian Socialist Revolutionary terrorists, Grigory Gershuni, which he gave upon arrival into the US after fleeing the Siberian prison he had been sent to (this was in the 1900s, Teddy Roosevelt's time). Apparently, when he came to San Francisco, a "delegation" showed up in his hotel, asking that he make a speech. As he told the journalist, Gershuni was surprised (Revolution in the US was not on his radar) and asked if there would be people in the city, for whom it would be interesting. The response was that the town was full of Jews. Gershuni, then, asked, if they (the Jews) were ready for the revolution. "Jews are always ready for the revolution" was the obvious response of the "delegates".  

Of course, some of the more prosperous German Jews were on the conservative side. But, overwhelmingly, back then Jews were urban migrant rif-raf, and urban migrant rif-raf back then voted for Democrats (if they voted), or, else, for somebody on the extreme left. For many Jews FDR, when he emerged, was a fairly conservative mainstream politician. As late as in the late 1940s in New York "right", if said in Yiddish, meant a socialist (a Bernie Sanders type, though, perhaps, a tad more radical). "Left" was reserved for the proper Communists.
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« Reply #15 on: April 27, 2016, 11:40:03 PM »

Were Jewish Americans heavily D prior to FDR?  I'm thinking about how far the black vote swung toward the Democrats after LBJ signed the Civil Rights Act and I'm wondering if FDR/Truman defeating Nazi Germany didn't have a similar impact?  That would result in Jewish families that were already in the country during WWII voting significantly more D than more recent immigrants.

I stumbled across this photo of some HIGH ENERGY 1930s Jewish ladies on Wikipedia today.  For all I know one of them could be my great-grandmother!

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« Reply #16 on: April 28, 2016, 01:05:23 PM »

Haha the Dutch Americans are going soooooo strong in western Michigan with the reformed christian churches and are very conservative.
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