CRUZ CALLS TRUMP THE "PC POLICE"

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You see, there's a major problem here. The people most concerned about transgender people are the evangelical right, as in the people who often don't believe in evolution and science. But on this issue, here they are, all of a sudden, trying to claim that science dictates that people are the gender they're born as. This is hypocritical, plain and simple.

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

You see, there's a major problem here. The people most concerned about transgender people are the evangelical right, as in the people who often don't believe in evolution and science. But on this issue, here they are, all of a sudden, trying to claim that science dictates that people are the gender they're born as. This is hypocritical, plain and simple.

nah creätionists try to use science to back up their claims as well (and both groups are equally terrible at it)

[IceAgeComing]

I would just say that you are whatever you were born as.

so what you're saying is that your itty bitty feelings ought to override years of proper research into trans issues when policy?  That's clearly a very sensible thing to do...

He isn't wrong, go to the bathroom that you have the genitals for.

So you want this guy (he was born with a vagina and still has it) using the ladies' room?!?!

Yes

I know that you're a kid who's probably lived a rather sheltered life and has never knowingly met a trans person IRL so I can't be too harsh.  However; if a law like this was passed in your state (not likely) and you saw him come out on the womens toilet (that you'd shove him in) after your hypothetical wee sister was in, would it not make you raise an eyebrow?  The guys not causing any harm and would never do anything, but thanks to the law that you support you make him look very odd for people who do not know that the guy is trans, which would be pretty much everyone since that guy passes perfectly.   That's what the main effect of these laws will be: they'll put transwomen at risk from the sort of sexual harassment that you're worried about happening to cis women, while also putting transmen at risk from being believed to be the scary men that you're scapegoating trans people as; which could cause them physical harm and possibly get them in trouble with the law for the crime of wanting to have a wee.

I think that a lot of the misguided opinions on this is somewhat because of people simply not knowing any trans people, and its always much harder to scapegoat a group that one does not know.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

In all seriousness, though, the person grousing in the thread in US General about how this has traditionally worked by the honor system would have had a good point were it not for the fact that the people claiming that it suddenly no longer does or should are the right.

[Indy Texas]

He isn't wrong, go to the bathroom that you have the genitals for.

Again, if you get penile cancer and have to have it removed, you'll start going to the ladies' room even though you're (obviously) still a man?

That wouldn't give you a vagina, so you wouldn't become a woman

You've consistently said that the presence or absence of a penis was your standard. Now you say there are exceptions...

If you have a penis, get to the men's room; if you don't have a penis, use the women's room (or, honestly, whatever room you'd like to, 'cuz men generally don't care if women want to use their facilities). My guess is that the person in the photo from Indy was born with both sets of genitals, which means that "he" should use the men's room ('cuz if you have both, than you have a penis).

I'm always amused by the argument that what you look like is more important than who you are.

Yeah, and I'm always amused by the argument that who you think you are is more important than who you actually are. If you have a penis but believe you're a female, go through the surgery, after which you can use the ladies room, but until then, sorry for the inconvenience of having a penis, and get yourself over to the men's room. Life is full of inconveniences, that's just life...

No. This is an adult film star who was born a woman and who transitioned to becoming a man via surgery and hormone therapy, but who did not have any kind of genital alteration. So basically, he is a man in every regard except his genitals. There are a lot of transpeople who are in this situation because genital surgery is often one of the most expensive, invasive and risky parts of gender reassignment surgery. (Or some just want to keep the "OEM" parts down there.)

[SillyAmerican]

He isn't wrong, go to the bathroom that you have the genitals for.

Again, if you get penile cancer and have to have it removed, you'll start going to the ladies' room even though you're (obviously) still a man?

That wouldn't give you a vagina, so you wouldn't become a woman

You've consistently said that the presence or absence of a penis was your standard. Now you say there are exceptions...

If you have a penis, get to the men's room; if you don't have a penis, use the women's room (or, honestly, whatever room you'd like to, 'cuz men generally don't care if women want to use their facilities). My guess is that the person in the photo from Indy was born with both sets of genitals, which means that "he" should use the men's room ('cuz if you have both, than you have a penis).

I'm always amused by the argument that what you look like is more important than who you are.

Yeah, and I'm always amused by the argument that who you think you are is more important than who you actually are. If you have a penis but believe you're a female, go through the surgery, after which you can use the ladies room, but until then, sorry for the inconvenience of having a penis, and get yourself over to the men's room. Life is full of inconveniences, that's just life...

No. This is an adult film star who was born a woman and who transitioned to becoming a man via surgery and hormone therapy, but who did not have any kind of genital alteration. So basically, he is a man in every regard except his genitals. There are a lot of transpeople who are in this situation because genital surgery is often one of the most expensive, invasive and risky parts of gender reassignment surgery. (Or some just want to keep the "OEM" parts down there.)

Okay, so this is not a "woman", per se. Maybe the solution is to label restroom areas with the signs "Women" and "Non-Women". But you're still left with having to specify what constitutes a woman, so we're just kicking the proverbial can down the proverbial road.

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How about minding your own beeswax, you disgusting pervert?

[Bigby]

How about minding your own beeswax, you discussing pervert?

B-B-But, Cruz doesn't believe in stimulating one's genitals!

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

To be honest, I can't see how this is even really an issue:

1-We all know that if someone saw the transman pictured above in a woman's room there'd be far more controversy than in a men's room and would be far more likely to cause an incident. Meanwhile in a men's room no issue and no one would think twice. So even with the law using the men's room would still make more sense.
2-There's no monitor at bathrooms who cards you for your ID to get in. There's no way to enforce this law against trans people.
3-Based on that, wouldn't a man who both: a-could conceivably pass as a woman while crossdressing and b-wishes to rape or sexually assault women in the bathroom, just do that anyway and go into the women's room? Like I said, without carding people this makes no sense and means the claim that a man wishing to do so could "just claim to be trans"...claim that to who?
4-Actually wouldn't a man intending to do that just go into the women's room when no one's looking and then hide in a stall?
5-Rapes and sexual assaults in bathrooms are very rare, and they almost always are same gender when they do occur.
6-They also almost exclusively occur in seedy places and/or ones with tons of alcohol being served, not public locations like laws are aimed at.
7-All due to that a public bathroom is easily one of the worst places for a would be rapist to look for victims anyway, there's a very good chance someone will go in and find him, and public buildings have all sorts of armed security around. Has there ever been any incident of this occurring?

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The problem is right now, he could be kicked out. After this, he could claim to be a tranny and sue the business.

[wolfsblood07]

He isn't wrong, go to the bathroom that you have the genitals for.

So you want this guy (he was born with a vagina and still has it) using the ladies' room?!?!

Hold on!  He has the male organs too, right?  Otherwise, this dude needs to use the sit down toilet in the men's room.  Libs, we do not need to legislate everything when common sense works.  And, the world will never be 100% fair and not hurt feelings.

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The problem is right now, he could be kicked out. After this, he could claim to be a tranny and sue the business.

Except transgender people usually look at least somewhat like the gender they identify as.

[wolfsblood07]

He isn't wrong, go to the bathroom that you have the genitals for.

So you want this guy (he was born with a vagina and still has it) using the ladies' room?!?!

Hold on!  He has the male organs too, right?  Otherwise, this dude needs to use the sit down toilet in the men's room.  Libs, we do not need to legislate everything when common sense works.  And, the world will never be 100% fair and not hurt feelings.

And just to add to this, if anyone noticed that he never uses the stand up latrine, he could say he has an injury that necessitates sitting down.  No one would question it, though.

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That no longer matters, legally. This is why folks won't ever go for it. There have already been cases.

[mencken]

While I appreciate the sentiment of Cruz performing a rearguard action against forced acceptance of peculiar behavior, I think it is hardly within the purview of a prospective President of the United States to weigh in regarding an issue so trivial as who gets to use which bathroom.

I switched my support from Paul to Cruz in October after Cruz had the stones to call for a gold standard and ending corn subsidies. Now he's making his campaign about issues that not even fundies truly care about. He really wants to be the next Rick Santorum.

[SillyAmerican]

To be honest, I can't see how this is even really an issue:

1-We all know that if someone saw the transman pictured above in a woman's room there'd be far more controversy than in a men's room and would be far more likely to cause an incident. Meanwhile in a men's room no issue and no one would think twice. So even with the law using the men's room would still make more sense.
2-There's no monitor at bathrooms who cards you for your ID to get in. There's no way to enforce this law against trans people.
3-Based on that, wouldn't a man who both: a-could conceivably pass as a woman while crossdressing and b-wishes to rape or sexually assault women in the bathroom, just do that anyway and go into the women's room? Like I said, without carding people this makes no sense and means the claim that a man wishing to do so could "just claim to be trans"...claim that to who?
4-Actually wouldn't a man intending to do that just go into the women's room when no one's looking and then hide in a stall?
5-Rapes and sexual assaults in bathrooms are very rare, and they almost always are same gender when they do occur.
6-They also almost exclusively occur in seedy places and/or ones with tons of alcohol being served, not public locations like laws are aimed at.
7-All due to that a public bathroom is easily one of the worst places for a would be rapist to look for victims anyway, there's a very good chance someone will go in and find him, and public buildings have all sorts of armed security around. Has there ever been any incident of this occurring?

All excellent points, which serve to focus the question: why is there a move to try to legislate this at all? It does seem as though we're spending way too much time trying to solve a nonexistent problem, and we have more than enough pressing problems that need addressing. But I also recognize that women wish to have reassurances that their privacy will be respected in bathroom spaces, which in the past was seen as a matter of common courtesy and common sense. Alas, that no longer seems to be the case...

[SillyAmerican]

The new Saturday morning educational snippet:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcUJgbWrM64#t=86.4735

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The new Saturday morning educational snippet:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcUJgbWrM64#t=86.4735

Shut up, cuck

[Meclazine for Israel]

He isn't wrong, go to the bathroom that you have the genitals for.

Again, if you get penile cancer and have to have it removed, you'll start going to the ladies' room even though you're (obviously) still a man?

In Australia, we have a simple rule when choosing a public restroom.

"Go to the bathroom that causes the least screaming."

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

> expecting anyone to take steven crowder seriously

haha what's next, james o'keefe? milo yiannopoulos?

[IceAgeComing]

nah we're going to get an hour long sargon of akkad video posted with every reply from the person posting after that being "did you watch the whole thing?"