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Question: Let's assume Clinton never ran, and instead Warren and Bernie faced off. Would Bernie supporters still be as insufferable / delusional?
#1
Yes
 
#2
No
 
#3
Slightly less, but still intolerable
 
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Author Topic: Would Bernie supporters still be as terrible if it was Warren vs Sanders?  (Read 1404 times)
Ogre Mage
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« on: April 25, 2016, 02:12:11 AM »
« edited: April 25, 2016, 02:16:01 AM by Ogre Mage »

In a Warren vs. Sanders race, the majority of establishment support would likely move towards Warren and as a result she would immediately be tagged as corrupt by the Sandernistas crowd.  Warren doesn't have the decades of political battles scars and baggage that Clinton does so it is true there would be less in her past to attack.  But in some ways it would actually be more vicious because Warren and Sanders are quite close on the issues, so the differences would most likely be about leadership style and personality.  That kind of debate can get REALLY nasty.  And of course she would be subject to the sexist attacks that Clinton endured.

Because she is new to politics, Warren would be open to charges about her readiness for the presidency in a way Clinton isn't.  Sanders' "unqualified" charge flopped against Clinton badly because her political experience has been so longstanding and high-profile in the national consciousness, but that isn't true with Warren.  The "not ready for prime time" attack might work against Warren and it could potentially be even more damaging against a younger woman like Kirsten Gillibrand.  Various research has suggested that female candidates for high political office have a higher bar to clear in terms of public perception of their readiness.  For all her other problems, Clinton is unique in that she is virtually immune to this attack.
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« Reply #1 on: April 26, 2016, 02:17:03 AM »
« Edited: April 26, 2016, 02:36:59 AM by Ogre Mage »

If you haven't noticed, I didn't pay much attention to the 2008 election at all, so I'm unaware of how competitive Democratic primaries usually play out. Clinton has so many weaknesses that I have to wonder if the hate of her is unique, or if it would generally be applied in similar fashion to the opposition candidate(s) no matter what.

Brutal primaries happen more often than not.  Consider --

1980 -- Horrible, nasty, vicious primary between Jimmy Carter and Ted Kennedy which ended in a contested convention.  The Carter Campaign kept trying to make thinly veiled references to Chappaquiddick.   It ended with Carter winning but unsuccessfully trying to chase Ted Kennedy around the convention stage for a handshake (lol).  We all know how the general election turned out.

1984 -- Another very long and hotly contested primary between Walter Mondale and Gary Hart. http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2007/09/remember_1984.html

1992 -- Bitter personal feud between Jerry Brown and Bill Clinton which ended with Brown refusing to endorse the Democratic nominee.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5kUITklALQ

2004 -- "Independent" groups associated with Dick Gephardt ran negative ads against front-runner Howard Dean with Osama Bin Laden imagery in them.  https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/2003/12/17/anti-dean-ad-is-criticized/3f44dd20-18ec-4ded-9daa-1d30e8b1e75b/

2008 -- Hillary vs. Obama debate -- "Corporate Board of Wal-Mart" vs. "slum landlord business in Chicago."  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MD9F1t9GQzA

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« Reply #2 on: April 26, 2016, 02:32:13 AM »

Seems that we're on the same team at the moment:  I agree with your comments about experience.  Obviously many voters are willing to overlook Clinton's blind ambition, especially loyal Democrats who can discount me in November. 

As opposed to every other presidential candidate who ran because they just loved their country so much.
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Strange how male presidential candidates are NOT described as having "blind ambition." 
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