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Question: would fiorina help or hurt Cruz?
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hurt, it is a clear sign of desperation that will backfire
 
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help him gain traction
 
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« on: April 27, 2016, 11:45:39 AM »
« edited: April 27, 2016, 11:51:27 AM by jman123 »

what do you think for the primaries?
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« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2016, 11:51:36 AM »

COMPLETE desperation.  He thinks he can be like Trump and do something "positive" for his campaign that the media will talk about.  It WILL backfire in the end.  Carly is as equally toxic as he is in the general.
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« Reply #2 on: April 27, 2016, 11:53:23 AM »

She may be on this so called shortlist but she's not going to get VP. Treasury Secretary but that's slim. I think it's a Cruz/Kasich unity ticket. Maybe I'm dreaming though.

https://mobile.twitter.com/JoshMcElveen/status/725350618773250049
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« Reply #3 on: April 27, 2016, 11:54:25 AM »

If he names her, he is doomed.  It may help him win IN and change conversation for a few days but it severely limits his convention options.  And Fiorina is a fierce "attack dog" and the right gender (all of which helps), but is generally not liked by those who know her.

All in all, thumbs down.
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« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2016, 11:55:14 AM »

Carly Fiorina is a terrible choice anyway. I think Ted Cruz is smarter than this.
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« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2016, 11:55:58 AM »

It'll backfire, just like his deal with Kasich did.
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« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2016, 11:56:12 AM »

If he names her, he is doomed.  It may help him win IN and change conversation for a few days but it severely limits his convention options.  And Fiorina is a fierce "attack dog" and the right gender (all of which helps), but is generally not liked by those who know her.

All in all, thumbs down.
so essentially he is handing trump the nom on a silver platter?
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« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2016, 12:10:23 PM »

It would be a good pick if Cruz wanted to go all in on abortion for the general, splitting the electorate down the middle into pro-life and pro-choice camps. I don't see how he even gets close to 50+1 otherwise.
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« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2016, 12:16:42 PM »

It would be a good pick if Cruz wanted to go all in on abortion for the general, splitting the electorate down the middle into pro-life and pro-choice camps. I don't see how he even gets close to 50+1 otherwise.

What. This is not a strategy.
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« Reply #9 on: April 27, 2016, 12:17:46 PM »

It would be a good pick if Cruz wanted to go all in on abortion for the general, splitting the electorate down the middle into pro-life and pro-choice camps. I don't see how he even gets close to 50+1 otherwise.

That would only work if Clinton chooses Wendy Davis as her running mate.
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« Reply #10 on: April 27, 2016, 12:22:26 PM »

It would be a good pick if Cruz wanted to go all in on abortion for the general, splitting the electorate down the middle into pro-life and pro-choice camps. I don't see how he even gets close to 50+1 otherwise.

That would only work if Clinton chooses Wendy Davis as her running mate.

I never said it would work, but Cruz is looking at a massive landslide unless he finds an issue to split the electorate and redefine the race. Abortion works because the country is fiercely divided on it and the next President will get to appoint a Supreme Court justice.
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« Reply #11 on: April 27, 2016, 12:29:09 PM »

3rd option: doesn't make a difference
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« Reply #12 on: April 27, 2016, 02:12:31 PM »

This won't help at all in the primary. I am giving up on Cruz' chances to knock of Trump. If he were to be the nominee though, this would be a good-bad choice. I think she is as qualified as a clod of dirt, but she'd probably do better than most Republicans in hammering Hillary
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« Reply #13 on: April 27, 2016, 02:34:43 PM »

A friend of mine described Fiorina perfectly:

"As a walking, talking PowerPoint presentation, a repeat-loser, and a face of corporate incompetence being rewarded with golden parachutes, Fiorina would manage to make Hillary look naturally warm and 'likeable.'"
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« Reply #14 on: April 27, 2016, 02:45:21 PM »

A friend of mine described Fiorina perfectly:

"As a walking, talking PowerPoint presentation, a repeat-loser, and a face of corporate incompetence being rewarded with golden parachutes, Fiorina would manage to make Hillary look naturally warm and 'likeable.'"



Your friend is a genius with words. That's a bullseye description of Fiorina.
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« Reply #15 on: April 27, 2016, 03:06:20 PM »

I suppose the hope is that it helps in the California primary next month.  Does it?
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« Reply #16 on: April 27, 2016, 03:06:41 PM »

Cruz must REALLY want to suddenly lose.
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« Reply #17 on: April 27, 2016, 03:11:03 PM »
« Edited: April 27, 2016, 03:31:16 PM by What shall make their sap ascend? »

I suppose the hope is that it helps in the California primary next month.  Does it?

The question that I have about this is timing. In order for Cruz to be announcing this in Indianapolis, in the run-up to Indiana, he should probably have some sort of reason for why he thinks this will help him in Indiana. If/when he loses Indiana, his candidacy will be effectively over and not much of anything will help him in California. If he wins Indiana, he has plenty of time to camp out in California afterwards and announce Fiorina then. What is the point of him doing this now unless he expects it to help in Indiana somehow? Is is logic that this way even if/when he loses Indiana he'll still have a chance in California after all? That makes some degree of sense but strikes me as really shaky.
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« Reply #18 on: April 27, 2016, 03:23:21 PM »

I suppose the hope is that it helps in the California primary next month.  Does it?

The question that I have about this is timing. In order for Cruz to be announcing this in Indianapolis, in the run-up to Indiana, he should probably have some sort of reason for why he thinks this will help him in Indiana. If/when he loses Indiana, his candidacy will be effectively over and not much of anything will help him in California. If he wins Indiana, he has plenty of time to camp out in California and announce Fiorina afterwards. What is the point of him doing this now unless he expects it to help in Indiana somehow? Is is logic that this way even if/when he loses Indiana he'll still have a chance in California after all? That makes some degree of sense but strikes me as really shaky.

It looks like less of a desperate pander to California if he announces it now rather than after Indiana?
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« Reply #19 on: April 27, 2016, 03:29:55 PM »

I honestly don't think Cruz is thinking that far ahesad to the CA primary. Fiorina's value is that she will:

1. Change the conversation from Trump as the Presumptive Nominee and
2. Attack Trump much more media effectively

In other words, Cruz needs Fiorina's help in IN, never mind CA.
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« Reply #20 on: April 27, 2016, 03:30:38 PM »
« Edited: April 27, 2016, 03:32:34 PM by What shall make their sap ascend? »

I honestly don't think Cruz is thinking that far ahesad to the CA primary. Fiorina's value is that she will:

1. Change the conversation from Trump as the PM and
2. Attack Trump much more media effectively

In other words, Cruz needs Fiorina's help in IN, never mind CA.


But she's completely unlikable.

Cruz/Pence could have been a good ticket, both to win Indiana and as a hard-right ticket in general for people who want that. I don't see what constituency Cruz/Fiorina appeals to, other than possibly 'the airwaves'. But even that doesn't work because she's completely unlikable.
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« Reply #21 on: April 27, 2016, 03:33:53 PM »

I honestly don't think Cruz is thinking that far ahesad to the CA primary. Fiorina's value is that she will:

1. Change the conversation from Trump as the PM and
2. Attack Trump much more media effectively

In other words, Cruz needs Fiorina's help in IN, never mind CA.


But she's completely unlikable.

Which is why I think that this will eventually backfire. But, her tongue is a lethal weapon and, if she handles Trump the way she handled him in the debates, it will stop the Trump momentum and may even start the conversation that the media is not having yet, about the million reasons why he is unsuitable for the job.
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« Reply #22 on: April 27, 2016, 04:38:59 PM »

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*sigh*

We have Hillary, Trump, Cruz and Fiorina.

Is anyone suggesting that any of these four are particularly likeable people? I'm a Cruz supporter and it's not a beauty contest.

Likeability is overrated.
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« Reply #23 on: April 27, 2016, 05:06:51 PM »

CRUZ FIORINA
GREAT TICKET
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« Reply #24 on: April 27, 2016, 05:20:11 PM »


I want some of that magic powder you're sniffing.
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