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« on: April 28, 2016, 11:32:38 PM »

I detest the man and I find his racism and general xenophobia repulsive but from a foreign policy perspective it does seem like we could be headed towards a general election in which the Republican candidate is actually the more dovish one. Would he be preferable to Hillary on foreign policy from an anti-war perspective? Opposition to our current foreign policy is one of the biggest issues for me for moral reasons and because I see it as leading to blowback and one of the biggest reasons I've always disliked Hillary and supported Obama in 08 (and have subsequently come to criticize him over the drone war.) I'll most likely vote for Jill Stein in the general and even if Trump might on paper be somewhat better on foreign policy I just can't trust the guy and think he's just as likely to start a nuclear war because he's a loudmouth who doesn't understand diplomacy.

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« Reply #1 on: April 28, 2016, 11:36:19 PM »

The guy whose entire foreign policy comes down to never ruling anything out?

Besides the fact that he's found it advantageous to be retroactively against the Iraq War in this campaign, what even makes you think he's more dovish?
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« Reply #2 on: April 28, 2016, 11:38:13 PM »

Generally doves tend to be libertarians, liberals, or paleoconservatives, and of those only paleoconservatives should be in favor of Trump. His general unpredictable behavior and flimsiness on the issues shouldn't really have any "doves" supporting him besides those who already support most or all of his positions.
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« Reply #3 on: April 28, 2016, 11:42:11 PM »

He literally refuses to rule out nuking ISIS. But sure, he's a dove Roll Eyes
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« Reply #4 on: April 29, 2016, 12:48:18 AM »

The terms "hawk" and "dove" are meaningless abstractions that have no relevance to foreign policy.

And seeing as Trump wants trade war with two nations, has openly mused about assassinating foreign leaders, refuses to rule out the unilateral use of WMD's, will rip up the Iran deal etc he's hardly a choice for thosr sceptical of foreign interventionism.
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« Reply #5 on: April 29, 2016, 01:09:37 AM »

His foreign policy is better than Hillary's. Not that it's very good.
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« Reply #6 on: April 29, 2016, 01:14:47 AM »

I guess if "dove" now means "screw the rest of the world", sure.
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« Reply #7 on: April 29, 2016, 01:16:04 AM »

I guess if "dove" now means "screw the rest of the world", sure.

Eh, we'll get screwed harder.
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« Reply #8 on: April 29, 2016, 01:21:44 AM »

No one should vote for Trump.
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« Reply #9 on: April 29, 2016, 01:38:12 AM »


Why don't you GDIAF?
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« Reply #10 on: April 29, 2016, 02:10:05 AM »

I agree with jfern. By the way, I hope "GDIAF" doesn't stand in for "go die in a fire"....
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« Reply #11 on: April 29, 2016, 02:16:07 AM »


This, but note that he would be most likely to start a new war just by sheer ignorance.
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« Reply #12 on: April 29, 2016, 02:38:04 AM »

He is certainly less agressive than Hillary. Military force will be his last resort.
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« Reply #13 on: April 29, 2016, 02:39:57 AM »

He is certainly less agressive than Hillary. Military force will be his last resort.

Considering he doesn't have much to fall back on, it'll be a first resort pretty quickly.
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« Reply #14 on: April 29, 2016, 02:55:57 AM »

He is certainly less agressive than Hillary. Military force will be his last resort.

Considering he doesn't have much to fall back on, it'll be a first resort pretty quickly.

There is no doubt that Hillary shoots first and asks questions later, while it's the opposite with Trump. Can you claim otherwise?
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« Reply #15 on: April 29, 2016, 03:09:22 AM »

He is certainly less agressive than Hillary. Military force will be his last resort.

Considering he doesn't have much to fall back on, it'll be a first resort pretty quickly.

There is no doubt that Hillary shoots first and asks questions later, while it's the opposite with Trump. Can you claim otherwise?


Not sure what that catchy idiom is supposed to refer to, but do tell how Trump is so peaceful that he incites his supporters to commit violent acts and cover their legal expenses for them. Someone who is so brash as to even attempt to do that, or anything like that, at a national platform is not dovish or peace loving or anything of the sort in the slightest.

He has no experience, no previous political record other than running on what he's said, which, depending on the medium, changes from one moment to the next.

Then there's that whole part about him not having anything to fall back on that you completed deflected on addressing.

Trump is like play-dough for the grand majority of his supporters. You see our problems, and you just mold his vague words and platform into simple solutions. 
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« Reply #16 on: April 29, 2016, 03:59:04 AM »

I detest the man and I find his racism and general xenophobia repulsive but from a foreign policy perspective it does seem like we could be headed towards a general election in which the Republican candidate is actually the more dovish one. Would he be preferable to Hillary on foreign policy from an anti-war perspective? Opposition to our current foreign policy is one of the biggest issues for me for moral reasons and because I see it as leading to blowback and one of the biggest reasons I've always disliked Hillary and supported Obama in 08 (and have subsequently come to criticize him over the drone war.) I'll most likely vote for Jill Stein in the general and even if Trump might on paper be somewhat better on foreign policy I just can't trust the guy and think he's just as likely to start a nuclear war because he's a loudmouth who doesn't understand diplomacy.

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The guy who wants to pursue an ultra-selfish foreign policy in which every other country is attacked as an enemy, break up all US alliances, officially embrace the image of a schoolyard bully and make it official policy to murder innocent foreign nationals to impose a global rule of terror?

I mean, I'm not a foreign policy dove myself but I don't quite see what the appeal would be if I were one.
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« Reply #17 on: April 29, 2016, 05:17:40 AM »

No. No one should vote for Trump.
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« Reply #18 on: April 29, 2016, 06:22:29 AM »

Trump was lauded at a rally last night as being prepared to drop the bomb...
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« Reply #19 on: April 29, 2016, 06:25:09 AM »

Trumps policies are as self obsessed as they are simple.

You would have to be a simpleton not to understand them.

Hence everyone knows within 0.1 ms of time whether they want to vote for him or not.

He really is not a difficult character to understand.

Will Trump make America great again? Only one way to find out.
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« Reply #20 on: April 29, 2016, 08:49:21 AM »
« Edited: April 29, 2016, 08:51:12 AM by beaver2.0 »

No.  He is neither a dove nor a hawk.  He is a firm warbler when it comes to foreign policy.
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« Reply #21 on: April 29, 2016, 09:07:34 AM »

He is certainly less agressive than Hillary. Military force will be his last resort.

Considering he doesn't have much to fall back on, it'll be a first resort pretty quickly.

There is no doubt that Hillary shoots first and asks questions later, while it's the opposite with Trump. Can you claim otherwise?


Trump shoots without ever asking any questions. He is not interested in the answers anyway: uless these come from his own "brain".
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« Reply #22 on: April 29, 2016, 09:39:14 AM »

There's not a single person who should vote for Trump. If you make me miss the Bush years, you're pretty bad. I would say he's as bas as it gets, but there's probably some person out there even worse than Trump.

I thought it couldn't get worse than Bush, and I couldn't be more wrong.
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« Reply #23 on: April 29, 2016, 09:53:58 AM »

Since Trump is more likely to get the US attacked than Clinton, no. The country end up in war either way.
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« Reply #24 on: April 29, 2016, 11:41:14 AM »

Doves should vote for a man who says he will be unpredictable with nukes?

WTF, are the 11 people who voted Yes on here wearing Laremy Tunsil's marijuana gas mask bong?
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