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« on: April 30, 2016, 03:57:53 PM »

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« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2016, 04:00:44 PM »

Stage 5: Acceptance.
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« Reply #2 on: April 30, 2016, 04:03:36 PM »

The last of the five stages.
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« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2016, 05:15:34 PM »

If the Republicans want to give up on their party and admit its dead, I won't stop them.
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« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2016, 05:18:34 PM »

This is where there is a difference between the establishment and the conservative movement.  The establishment might be willing to cut their losses, lose in 2016, but keep Congress, and win in 2020.  But, both that and the mere idea of Trump being the GOP nominee is unacceptable to the conservative movement.
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« Reply #5 on: April 30, 2016, 05:23:23 PM »

This is where there is a difference between the establishment and the conservative movement.  The establishment might be willing to cut their losses, lose in 2016, but keep Congress, and win in 2020.  But, both that and the mere idea of Trump being the GOP nominee is unacceptable to the conservative movement.
Trump winning may be unacceptable to the conservative movement, but that shows that perhaps the conservative movement isn't popular enough within the GOP to be able to win the White House, let alone a general electorate.

If the conservative movement was truly as thriving and popular as it says it is, Ted Cruz would be past the magic 1237 right now. 
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« Reply #6 on: April 30, 2016, 08:19:06 PM »


Yes. Those in the GOP still holding on to the "Stop Trump" moniker must, at some point, acknowledge that there's already a name for the particular position they're holding, and that is "Democrat".
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« Reply #7 on: April 30, 2016, 08:46:32 PM »


Which stage is "Denial"?
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« Reply #8 on: April 30, 2016, 09:19:48 PM »

Step 6: Ensure that Trump loses massively in the general election

...while also somehow saving downballot races?  George Will sure lives in a bubble.
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« Reply #9 on: April 30, 2016, 09:34:45 PM »

The #NeverTrump crowd has to ask themselves this: If Trump is the Republican nominee, are they willing to go all the way to vote against him.

If the answer is no, then they will fall flat on their faces.
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« Reply #10 on: April 30, 2016, 09:53:12 PM »

The #NeverTrump crowd has to ask themselves this: If Trump is the Republican nominee, are they willing to go all the way to vote against him.

That's the definition of #NeverTrump, yes.  As distinct from the people who have been trying to stop Trump from getting the nomination, but have never ruled out voting for him in the general election.

AFAIK, no one prominent who's actually #NeverTrump (that is, who's been saying that they'll vote against Trump in the GE) has yet doubled back on that commitment and said that they're willing to vote for Trump in the GE after all.
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« Reply #11 on: April 30, 2016, 09:57:28 PM »
« Edited: April 30, 2016, 09:59:31 PM by Ronnie »

The #NeverTrump crowd has to ask themselves this: If Trump is the Republican nominee, are they willing to go all the way to vote against him.

That's the definition of #NeverTrump, yes.  As distinct from the people who have been trying to stop Trump from getting the nomination, but have never ruled out voting for him in the general election.

AFAIK, no one prominent who's actually #NeverTrump (that is, who's been saying that they'll vote against Trump in the GE) has yet doubled back on that commitment and said that they're willing to vote for Trump in the GE after all.


Rubio issued several "#NeverTrump" tweets during his campaign at one point, and is now saying he'll probably support Trump in the general.

EDIT: Here's one:
https://mobile.twitter.com/marcorubio/status/703583966973075457
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« Reply #12 on: April 30, 2016, 10:06:01 PM »

The #NeverTrump crowd has to ask themselves this: If Trump is the Republican nominee, are they willing to go all the way to vote against him.

That's the definition of #NeverTrump, yes.  As distinct from the people who have been trying to stop Trump from getting the nomination, but have never ruled out voting for him in the general election.

AFAIK, no one prominent who's actually #NeverTrump (that is, who's been saying that they'll vote against Trump in the GE) has yet doubled back on that commitment and said that they're willing to vote for Trump in the GE after all.


Rubio issued several "#NeverTrump" tweets during his campaign at one point, and is now saying he'll probably support Trump in the general.

EDIT: Here's one:
https://mobile.twitter.com/marcorubio/status/703583966973075457

#FAIL

The #NeverTrump crowd never had a strong enough conviction to go all the way.
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« Reply #13 on: April 30, 2016, 10:09:53 PM »

The #NeverTrump crowd has to ask themselves this: If Trump is the Republican nominee, are they willing to go all the way to vote against him.

That's the definition of #NeverTrump, yes.  As distinct from the people who have been trying to stop Trump from getting the nomination, but have never ruled out voting for him in the general election.

AFAIK, no one prominent who's actually #NeverTrump (that is, who's been saying that they'll vote against Trump in the GE) has yet doubled back on that commitment and said that they're willing to vote for Trump in the GE after all.


Rubio issued several "#NeverTrump" tweets during his campaign at one point, and is now saying he'll probably support Trump in the general.

EDIT: Here's one:
https://mobile.twitter.com/marcorubio/status/703583966973075457

#FAIL

The #NeverTrump crowd never had a strong enough conviction to go all the way.

Which is so funny because a lot of the #NeverTrump crowd were the guys who go around putting litmus/convictions tests around issues like voting for anything that could even be construed as a Tax increase.
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« Reply #14 on: April 30, 2016, 10:23:37 PM »

The #NeverTrump crowd has to ask themselves this: If Trump is the Republican nominee, are they willing to go all the way to vote against him.

That's the definition of #NeverTrump, yes.  As distinct from the people who have been trying to stop Trump from getting the nomination, but have never ruled out voting for him in the general election.

AFAIK, no one prominent who's actually #NeverTrump (that is, who's been saying that they'll vote against Trump in the GE) has yet doubled back on that commitment and said that they're willing to vote for Trump in the GE after all.


Rubio issued several "#NeverTrump" tweets during his campaign at one point, and is now saying he'll probably support Trump in the general.

EDIT: Here's one:
https://mobile.twitter.com/marcorubio/status/703583966973075457

He used a #NeverTrump hashtag without actually knowing what it meant.  When he was asked about it very soon afterward, he said that he thought #NeverTrump just meant that he would never vote for him in the primary:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3kUlpyBwZc

The actual #NeverTrump people, those who said they'd never vote for Trump in the GE like Romney, Baker, Whitman, Sasse, and a bunch of conservative media personalities like many of those at National Review....I'm unaware of a single one of them going back on their earlier statements and now saying that they'll vote for Trump in the GE.  Some of them probably will, sure, but for now #NeverTrump is intact.
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« Reply #15 on: April 30, 2016, 10:34:07 PM »
« Edited: April 30, 2016, 10:38:39 PM by pppolitics »

The #NeverTrump crowd has to ask themselves this: If Trump is the Republican nominee, are they willing to go all the way to vote against him.

That's the definition of #NeverTrump, yes.  As distinct from the people who have been trying to stop Trump from getting the nomination, but have never ruled out voting for him in the general election.

AFAIK, no one prominent who's actually #NeverTrump (that is, who's been saying that they'll vote against Trump in the GE) has yet doubled back on that commitment and said that they're willing to vote for Trump in the GE after all.


Rubio issued several "#NeverTrump" tweets during his campaign at one point, and is now saying he'll probably support Trump in the general.

EDIT: Here's one:
https://mobile.twitter.com/marcorubio/status/703583966973075457

He used a #NeverTrump hashtag without actually knowing what it meant.  When he was asked about it very soon afterward, he said that he thought #NeverTrump just meant that he would never vote for him in the primary:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3kUlpyBwZc

The actual #NeverTrump people, those who said they'd never vote for Trump in the GE like Romney, Baker, Whitman, Sasse, and a bunch of conservative media personalities like many of those at National Review....I'm unaware of a single one of them going back on their earlier statements and now saying that they'll vote for Trump in the GE.  Some of them probably will, sure, but for now #NeverTrump is intact.


I bet the "actual" #NeverTrump crowd isn't that big.

The rest are a bunch of phonies.
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« Reply #16 on: April 30, 2016, 10:43:50 PM »

The #NeverTrump crowd has to ask themselves this: If Trump is the Republican nominee, are they willing to go all the way to vote against him.

That's the definition of #NeverTrump, yes.  As distinct from the people who have been trying to stop Trump from getting the nomination, but have never ruled out voting for him in the general election.

AFAIK, no one prominent who's actually #NeverTrump (that is, who's been saying that they'll vote against Trump in the GE) has yet doubled back on that commitment and said that they're willing to vote for Trump in the GE after all.


Rubio issued several "#NeverTrump" tweets during his campaign at one point, and is now saying he'll probably support Trump in the general.

EDIT: Here's one:
https://mobile.twitter.com/marcorubio/status/703583966973075457

He used a #NeverTrump hashtag without actually knowing what it meant.  When he was asked about it very soon afterward, he said that he thought #NeverTrump just meant that he would never vote for him in the primary:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3kUlpyBwZc

The actual #NeverTrump people, those who said they'd never vote for Trump in the GE like Romney, Baker, Whitman, Sasse, and a bunch of conservative media personalities like many of those at National Review....I'm unaware of a single one of them going back on their earlier statements and now saying that they'll vote for Trump in the GE.  Some of them probably will, sure, but for now #NeverTrump is intact.


I bet the "actual" #NeverTrump crowd isn't that big.

The rest are a bunch of phonies.

No we're not.  We are just saying that he would be a terrible and completely unacceptable choice to be the de facto leader of conservatism, but that he would still be miles better than Hillary.
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« Reply #17 on: April 30, 2016, 10:48:28 PM »

The #NeverTrump crowd has to ask themselves this: If Trump is the Republican nominee, are they willing to go all the way to vote against him.

That's the definition of #NeverTrump, yes.  As distinct from the people who have been trying to stop Trump from getting the nomination, but have never ruled out voting for him in the general election.

AFAIK, no one prominent who's actually #NeverTrump (that is, who's been saying that they'll vote against Trump in the GE) has yet doubled back on that commitment and said that they're willing to vote for Trump in the GE after all.


Rubio issued several "#NeverTrump" tweets during his campaign at one point, and is now saying he'll probably support Trump in the general.

EDIT: Here's one:
https://mobile.twitter.com/marcorubio/status/703583966973075457

He used a #NeverTrump hashtag without actually knowing what it meant.  When he was asked about it very soon afterward, he said that he thought #NeverTrump just meant that he would never vote for him in the primary:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3kUlpyBwZc

The actual #NeverTrump people, those who said they'd never vote for Trump in the GE like Romney, Baker, Whitman, Sasse, and a bunch of conservative media personalities like many of those at National Review....I'm unaware of a single one of them going back on their earlier statements and now saying that they'll vote for Trump in the GE.  Some of them probably will, sure, but for now #NeverTrump is intact.


I bet the "actual" #NeverTrump crowd isn't that big.

The rest are a bunch of phonies.

No we're not.  We are just saying that he would be a terrible and completely unacceptable choice to be the de facto leader of conservatism, but that he would still be miles better than Hillary.

Never definitely implies never. It should have been #NotTrump or something. Of course Hillary is a gift to the Republican party for unity.
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« Reply #18 on: April 30, 2016, 10:54:49 PM »
« Edited: April 30, 2016, 10:58:56 PM by pppolitics »

The #NeverTrump crowd has to ask themselves this: If Trump is the Republican nominee, are they willing to go all the way to vote against him.

That's the definition of #NeverTrump, yes.  As distinct from the people who have been trying to stop Trump from getting the nomination, but have never ruled out voting for him in the general election.

AFAIK, no one prominent who's actually #NeverTrump (that is, who's been saying that they'll vote against Trump in the GE) has yet doubled back on that commitment and said that they're willing to vote for Trump in the GE after all.


Rubio issued several "#NeverTrump" tweets during his campaign at one point, and is now saying he'll probably support Trump in the general.

EDIT: Here's one:
https://mobile.twitter.com/marcorubio/status/703583966973075457

He used a #NeverTrump hashtag without actually knowing what it meant.  When he was asked about it very soon afterward, he said that he thought #NeverTrump just meant that he would never vote for him in the primary:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3kUlpyBwZc

The actual #NeverTrump people, those who said they'd never vote for Trump in the GE like Romney, Baker, Whitman, Sasse, and a bunch of conservative media personalities like many of those at National Review....I'm unaware of a single one of them going back on their earlier statements and now saying that they'll vote for Trump in the GE.  Some of them probably will, sure, but for now #NeverTrump is intact.


I bet the "actual" #NeverTrump crowd isn't that big.

The rest are a bunch of phonies.

No we're not.  We are just saying that he would be a terrible and completely unacceptable choice to be the de facto leader of conservatism, but that he would still be miles better than Hillary.

Haha! A phony spotted!
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« Reply #19 on: April 30, 2016, 11:11:36 PM »

The #NeverTrump crowd has to ask themselves this: If Trump is the Republican nominee, are they willing to go all the way to vote against him.

That's the definition of #NeverTrump, yes.  As distinct from the people who have been trying to stop Trump from getting the nomination, but have never ruled out voting for him in the general election.

AFAIK, no one prominent who's actually #NeverTrump (that is, who's been saying that they'll vote against Trump in the GE) has yet doubled back on that commitment and said that they're willing to vote for Trump in the GE after all.


Rubio issued several "#NeverTrump" tweets during his campaign at one point, and is now saying he'll probably support Trump in the general.

EDIT: Here's one:
https://mobile.twitter.com/marcorubio/status/703583966973075457

He used a #NeverTrump hashtag without actually knowing what it meant.  When he was asked about it very soon afterward, he said that he thought #NeverTrump just meant that he would never vote for him in the primary:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3kUlpyBwZc

The actual #NeverTrump people, those who said they'd never vote for Trump in the GE like Romney, Baker, Whitman, Sasse, and a bunch of conservative media personalities like many of those at National Review....I'm unaware of a single one of them going back on their earlier statements and now saying that they'll vote for Trump in the GE.  Some of them probably will, sure, but for now #NeverTrump is intact.


I bet the "actual" #NeverTrump crowd isn't that big.

The rest are a bunch of phonies.

No we're not.  We are just saying that he would be a terrible and completely unacceptable choice to be the de facto leader of conservatism, but that he would still be miles better than Hillary.

Never definitely implies never. It should have been #NotTrump or something. Of course Hillary is a gift to the Republican party for unity.

Again, #NeverTrump as used by most people using the hashtag really means never.  There are some interlopers like Rubio, who used the hashtag when they didn't understand what it meant.  But the original intention of the hashtag was "I'm not voting for Trump even in the general election".
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« Reply #20 on: April 30, 2016, 11:18:26 PM »

The #NeverTrump crowd has to ask themselves this: If Trump is the Republican nominee, are they willing to go all the way to vote against him.

That's the definition of #NeverTrump, yes.  As distinct from the people who have been trying to stop Trump from getting the nomination, but have never ruled out voting for him in the general election.

AFAIK, no one prominent who's actually #NeverTrump (that is, who's been saying that they'll vote against Trump in the GE) has yet doubled back on that commitment and said that they're willing to vote for Trump in the GE after all.


Rubio issued several "#NeverTrump" tweets during his campaign at one point, and is now saying he'll probably support Trump in the general.

EDIT: Here's one:
https://mobile.twitter.com/marcorubio/status/703583966973075457

He used a #NeverTrump hashtag without actually knowing what it meant.  When he was asked about it very soon afterward, he said that he thought #NeverTrump just meant that he would never vote for him in the primary:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3kUlpyBwZc

The actual #NeverTrump people, those who said they'd never vote for Trump in the GE like Romney, Baker, Whitman, Sasse, and a bunch of conservative media personalities like many of those at National Review....I'm unaware of a single one of them going back on their earlier statements and now saying that they'll vote for Trump in the GE.  Some of them probably will, sure, but for now #NeverTrump is intact.


I bet the "actual" #NeverTrump crowd isn't that big.

The rest are a bunch of phonies.

No we're not.  We are just saying that he would be a terrible and completely unacceptable choice to be the de facto leader of conservatism, but that he would still be miles better than Hillary.

Never definitely implies never. It should have been #NotTrump or something. Of course Hillary is a gift to the Republican party for unity.

Again, #NeverTrump as used by most people using the hashtag really means never.  There are some interlopers like Rubio, who used the hashtag when they didn't understand what it meant.  But the original intention of the hashtag was "I'm not voting for Trump even in the general election".


As I have said, the "actual" #NeverTrump crowd is relatively small.

The rest are a bunch of phonies.
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« Reply #21 on: April 30, 2016, 11:22:49 PM »

This is where there is a difference between the establishment and the conservative movement.  The establishment might be willing to cut their losses, lose in 2016, but keep Congress, and win in 2020.  But, both that and the mere idea of Trump being the GOP nominee is unacceptable to the conservative movement.
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« Reply #22 on: April 30, 2016, 11:31:25 PM »

The #NeverTrump crowd has to ask themselves this: If Trump is the Republican nominee, are they willing to go all the way to vote against him.

That's the definition of #NeverTrump, yes.  As distinct from the people who have been trying to stop Trump from getting the nomination, but have never ruled out voting for him in the general election.

AFAIK, no one prominent who's actually #NeverTrump (that is, who's been saying that they'll vote against Trump in the GE) has yet doubled back on that commitment and said that they're willing to vote for Trump in the GE after all.


Rubio issued several "#NeverTrump" tweets during his campaign at one point, and is now saying he'll probably support Trump in the general.

EDIT: Here's one:
https://mobile.twitter.com/marcorubio/status/703583966973075457

He used a #NeverTrump hashtag without actually knowing what it meant.  When he was asked about it very soon afterward, he said that he thought #NeverTrump just meant that he would never vote for him in the primary:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3kUlpyBwZc

The actual #NeverTrump people, those who said they'd never vote for Trump in the GE like Romney, Baker, Whitman, Sasse, and a bunch of conservative media personalities like many of those at National Review....I'm unaware of a single one of them going back on their earlier statements and now saying that they'll vote for Trump in the GE.  Some of them probably will, sure, but for now #NeverTrump is intact.


I bet the "actual" #NeverTrump crowd isn't that big.

The rest are a bunch of phonies.

No we're not.  We are just saying that he would be a terrible and completely unacceptable choice to be the de facto leader of conservatism, but that he would still be miles better than Hillary.

Being the de facto leader of the Republican Party and the de facto leader of "conservatism" (whatever that is defined as) are not the same thing. The fact that you and so many people behave as if they are is the source of a lot of your party's current problems.

There aren't enough people in this country who are ideological conservatives to win an election based solely on that. If you ran a candidate whose entire platform was nothing more than tax cuts for the wealthy, cutting Social Security and Medicare benefits, defunding Planned Parenthood and taking health insurance away from millions of people, the networks would be able to call the election for the Democrats as soon as the polls closed.

That may be hard for you to accept, but your options are to either compromise on some of your ideals or continue to have White Identity Politics cannibalize the party.
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« Reply #23 on: April 30, 2016, 11:36:15 PM »

The #NeverTrump crowd has to ask themselves this: If Trump is the Republican nominee, are they willing to go all the way to vote against him.

That's the definition of #NeverTrump, yes.  As distinct from the people who have been trying to stop Trump from getting the nomination, but have never ruled out voting for him in the general election.

AFAIK, no one prominent who's actually #NeverTrump (that is, who's been saying that they'll vote against Trump in the GE) has yet doubled back on that commitment and said that they're willing to vote for Trump in the GE after all.


Rubio issued several "#NeverTrump" tweets during his campaign at one point, and is now saying he'll probably support Trump in the general.

EDIT: Here's one:
https://mobile.twitter.com/marcorubio/status/703583966973075457

He used a #NeverTrump hashtag without actually knowing what it meant.  When he was asked about it very soon afterward, he said that he thought #NeverTrump just meant that he would never vote for him in the primary:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3kUlpyBwZc

The actual #NeverTrump people, those who said they'd never vote for Trump in the GE like Romney, Baker, Whitman, Sasse, and a bunch of conservative media personalities like many of those at National Review....I'm unaware of a single one of them going back on their earlier statements and now saying that they'll vote for Trump in the GE.  Some of them probably will, sure, but for now #NeverTrump is intact.


I bet the "actual" #NeverTrump crowd isn't that big.

The rest are a bunch of phonies.

No we're not.  We are just saying that he would be a terrible and completely unacceptable choice to be the de facto leader of conservatism, but that he would still be miles better than Hillary.

Never definitely implies never. It should have been #NotTrump or something. Of course Hillary is a gift to the Republican party for unity.

Again, #NeverTrump as used by most people using the hashtag really means never.  There are some interlopers like Rubio, who used the hashtag when they didn't understand what it meant.  But the original intention of the hashtag was "I'm not voting for Trump even in the general election".


As I have said, the "actual" #NeverTrump crowd is relatively small.

The rest are a bunch of phonies.

Of course it's a small group of people...it's a movement among op-ed columnists and media elites (consultants etc.) in the conservative press. That's a few thousand people, tops, in the United States. The size of the group was never the issue, the prominence of its membership was.
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« Reply #24 on: April 30, 2016, 11:43:39 PM »

This is where there is a difference between the establishment and the conservative movement.  The establishment might be willing to cut their losses, lose in 2016, but keep Congress, and win in 2020.  But, both that and the mere idea of Trump being the GOP nominee is unacceptable to the conservative movement.

What, pray tell, is the "conservative movement"? (especially as a monolithic entity)
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