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Indy Texas
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« on: April 30, 2016, 11:31:25 PM »

The #NeverTrump crowd has to ask themselves this: If Trump is the Republican nominee, are they willing to go all the way to vote against him.

That's the definition of #NeverTrump, yes.  As distinct from the people who have been trying to stop Trump from getting the nomination, but have never ruled out voting for him in the general election.

AFAIK, no one prominent who's actually #NeverTrump (that is, who's been saying that they'll vote against Trump in the GE) has yet doubled back on that commitment and said that they're willing to vote for Trump in the GE after all.


Rubio issued several "#NeverTrump" tweets during his campaign at one point, and is now saying he'll probably support Trump in the general.

EDIT: Here's one:
https://mobile.twitter.com/marcorubio/status/703583966973075457

He used a #NeverTrump hashtag without actually knowing what it meant.  When he was asked about it very soon afterward, he said that he thought #NeverTrump just meant that he would never vote for him in the primary:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3kUlpyBwZc

The actual #NeverTrump people, those who said they'd never vote for Trump in the GE like Romney, Baker, Whitman, Sasse, and a bunch of conservative media personalities like many of those at National Review....I'm unaware of a single one of them going back on their earlier statements and now saying that they'll vote for Trump in the GE.  Some of them probably will, sure, but for now #NeverTrump is intact.


I bet the "actual" #NeverTrump crowd isn't that big.

The rest are a bunch of phonies.

No we're not.  We are just saying that he would be a terrible and completely unacceptable choice to be the de facto leader of conservatism, but that he would still be miles better than Hillary.

Being the de facto leader of the Republican Party and the de facto leader of "conservatism" (whatever that is defined as) are not the same thing. The fact that you and so many people behave as if they are is the source of a lot of your party's current problems.

There aren't enough people in this country who are ideological conservatives to win an election based solely on that. If you ran a candidate whose entire platform was nothing more than tax cuts for the wealthy, cutting Social Security and Medicare benefits, defunding Planned Parenthood and taking health insurance away from millions of people, the networks would be able to call the election for the Democrats as soon as the polls closed.

That may be hard for you to accept, but your options are to either compromise on some of your ideals or continue to have White Identity Politics cannibalize the party.
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Indy Texas
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« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2016, 11:50:33 PM »

This is where there is a difference between the establishment and the conservative movement.  The establishment might be willing to cut their losses, lose in 2016, but keep Congress, and win in 2020.  But, both that and the mere idea of Trump being the GOP nominee is unacceptable to the conservative movement.

What, pray tell, is the "conservative movement"? (especially as a monolithic entity)

-College Republicans
-Employees of conservative think tanks and lobbying shops
-Writers at National Review and other conservative magazines
-Campaign consultants for the Republican Party

The first three are opposed to Trump because he's not a "conservative" in the hagiographic, idealized way that Ronald Reagan allegedly was. (They never do explain why taxes went up under Reagan or why the deficit increased under Reagan.)

The fourth are opposed to Trump because they don't think he can win and will drag downticket candidates down with him.
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