IN-NBC/WSJ/Marist: D: Clinton 50% Sanders 46%; R: Trump 49% Cruz 34% Kasich 13%
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« Reply #25 on: May 01, 2016, 11:47:50 AM »

Cruz last stand and he's not gonna win.

Sanders should be winning and hes not.
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« Reply #26 on: May 01, 2016, 12:05:56 PM »

Cruz isn't doing crap in California if he's losing by this much in Indiana.
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« Reply #27 on: May 01, 2016, 12:08:42 PM »

Looks like Clinton actually might win Indiana.
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« Reply #28 on: May 01, 2016, 12:08:59 PM »

Cruz still wont drop out i bet.
Nope.
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« Reply #29 on: May 01, 2016, 12:32:55 PM »

If TRUMP is winning in IN by this much, I imagine he's not that far behind in Nebraska and South Dakota.
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« Reply #30 on: May 01, 2016, 12:43:11 PM »

If TRUMP is winning in IN by this much, I imagine he's not that far behind in Nebraska and South Dakota.
If the inevitability factor kicks in, it wouldn't shock me. I guess we'll find out when Nebraska votes on May 10.
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« Reply #31 on: May 01, 2016, 02:17:12 PM »

It's sad that so many Rebublican voters are voting for the one expected to win instead of him who they support. (Yes, I am aware the grammatical structure of the previous sentence hinges upon actual percentages.)
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« Reply #32 on: May 01, 2016, 02:18:30 PM »

If this poll is at all accurate (and it might not because it's also a major outlier in the Senate primary), RIP conservative movement.  A Trump win in Indiana would be the worst day in America in years.

You make an interesting point about why it might be an outlier. The WHTR/Howey IN poll early this week showing Trump over Cruz by 6, showed Young over Stutzman in the IN GOP U.S. Senate primary by 12. Well, this NBC/WSJ poll showing Trump over Cruz by 15 shows Young over Stutzman by 32! That's a 20 point greater lead by Young than in the other poll in the same week. That seems....unlikely.
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« Reply #33 on: May 01, 2016, 02:18:33 PM »

It's sad that so many Rebublican voters are voting for the one expected to win instead of him who they support. (Yes, I am aware the grammatical structure of the previous sentence hinges upon actual percentages.)
Not at all. People like to vote for winners not losers.
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« Reply #34 on: May 01, 2016, 02:20:35 PM »

Oh yeah, one other reason to think the NBC/WSJ poll might be an outlier: It shows Trump beating both Clinton (easily) AND Sanders H2H in Indiana in November. That also seems....unlikely.
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« Reply #35 on: May 01, 2016, 02:21:44 PM »

Oh yeah, one other reason to think the NBC/WSJ poll might be an outlier: It shows Trump beating both Clinton (easily) AND Sanders H2H in Indiana in November. That also seems....unlikely.
Not really.  The voting base of Southern Indiana seems like a good fit for Trump.
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« Reply #36 on: May 01, 2016, 02:22:45 PM »

Oh yeah, one other reason to think the NBC/WSJ poll might be an outlier: It shows Trump beating both Clinton (easily) AND Sanders H2H in Indiana in November. That also seems....unlikely.

The same Howey poll you mentioned has Trump up 8 over Hillary.
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« Reply #37 on: May 01, 2016, 02:58:26 PM »


Yup!  Looks like the Downs Poll was infused with special sauce.   Without the Downs poll the average is about Trump +8
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« Reply #38 on: May 01, 2016, 02:58:59 PM »

Count me as a Hillary supporter till November.

Welcome to the Hilldawg big tent! Smiley
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« Reply #39 on: May 01, 2016, 03:04:32 PM »
« Edited: May 01, 2016, 03:10:28 PM by IceSpear »

Good to see that Bernie is still competetive in some states, even though voters might get the impression now that it's already over and start supporting Hillary in higher numbers ... but that seems not to be the case though.

"The impression"? It is already over. It shouldn't effect the votes too much though. Hillary won many states in 08 even after her path to the nomination was effectively closed. I don't think many voters think in these terms. At least on the Democratic side, anyway. If last week's results and this poll are any indication, it's helping Trump a lot.
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« Reply #40 on: May 01, 2016, 03:35:44 PM »

Oh yeah, one other reason to think the NBC/WSJ poll might be an outlier: It shows Trump beating both Clinton (easily) AND Sanders H2H in Indiana in November. That also seems....unlikely.
Not really.  The voting base of Southern Indiana seems like a good fit for Trump.


I don't doubt that. But when polls show Trump in danger of losing Utah and Mississippi and North Carolina, and Arizona (and many more) to Clinton in a General, I have a hard time believing he's going to beat her by 8 in Indiana.
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« Reply #41 on: May 01, 2016, 03:42:52 PM »

Oh yeah, one other reason to think the NBC/WSJ poll might be an outlier: It shows Trump beating both Clinton (easily) AND Sanders H2H in Indiana in November. That also seems....unlikely.
Not really.  The voting base of Southern Indiana seems like a good fit for Trump.


I don't doubt that. But when polls show Trump in danger of losing Utah and Mississippi and North Carolina, and Arizona (and many more) to Clinton in a General, I have a hard time believing he's going to beat her by 8 in Indiana.

I'm not surprised. Hillary has a higher chance of beating Trump in Utah, North Carolina, Missouri, Georgia, and Arizona than she does in Indiana. Hillary could win the election nationwide by 10-30 points and she'd still lose Indiana. Trump is the perfect candidate for Indiana (unlike McCain).
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« Reply #42 on: May 01, 2016, 03:44:51 PM »

If Hillary is winning Indiana, or even if she loses by a little, this primary race is still over.
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« Reply #43 on: May 01, 2016, 03:46:17 PM »

You guys are also forgetting about angry Indiana men. Angry sexist Indiana men would never vote Hillary. Bernie might win Indiana against Trump though. Bernie is a good fit for Indiana. He has the potential to appeal to many populist angry sexist Indiana men. Hillary is going to lose Indiana by double-digits though even if she wins nationwide by double-digits. The gender gap is going to be huge in Indiana, but angry sexist Indiana men will turnout at record levels, thus assuring a Trump victory in Indiana during the general election.
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« Reply #44 on: May 01, 2016, 03:52:01 PM »

If Hillary is winning Indiana, or even if she loses by a little, this primary race is still over.

Even if she lost by 20 it would still be over.
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« Reply #45 on: May 01, 2016, 03:52:33 PM »

You guys are also forgetting about angry Indiana men. Angry sexist Indiana men would never vote Hillary. Bernie might win Indiana against Trump though. Bernie is a good fit for Indiana. He has the potential to appeal to many populist angry sexist Indiana men. Hillary is going to lose Indiana by double-digits though even if she wins nationwide by double-digits. The gender gap is going to be huge in Indiana, but angry sexist Indiana men will turnout at record levels, thus assuring a Trump victory in Indiana during the general election.

What about this?

https://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/state.php?fips=18&year=2008&f=0&off=0&elect=1
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« Reply #46 on: May 01, 2016, 04:00:28 PM »

You guys are also forgetting about angry Indiana men. Angry sexist Indiana men would never vote Hillary. Bernie might win Indiana against Trump though. Bernie is a good fit for Indiana. He has the potential to appeal to many populist angry sexist Indiana men. Hillary is going to lose Indiana by double-digits though even if she wins nationwide by double-digits. The gender gap is going to be huge in Indiana, but angry sexist Indiana men will turnout at record levels, thus assuring a Trump victory in Indiana during the general election.

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https://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/state.php?fips=18&year=2008&f=0&off=0&elect=1

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« Reply #47 on: May 01, 2016, 04:00:51 PM »

So Sanders has to win what like 80-90 % of the vote in California if he loses Indiana too? LOL Sure that's achievable.
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« Reply #48 on: May 01, 2016, 04:08:27 PM »
« Edited: May 01, 2016, 04:12:05 PM by RR1997 »

You guys are also forgetting about angry Indiana men. Angry sexist Indiana men would never vote Hillary. Bernie might win Indiana against Trump though. Bernie is a good fit for Indiana. He has the potential to appeal to many populist angry sexist Indiana men. Hillary is going to lose Indiana by double-digits though even if she wins nationwide by double-digits. The gender gap is going to be huge in Indiana, but angry sexist Indiana men will turnout at record levels, thus assuring a Trump victory in Indiana during the general election.

What about this?

https://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/state.php?fips=18&year=2008&f=0&off=0&elect=1

1. Her opponent was a black, you see.
2. A large majority of Democratic Party primary voters in Indiana are probably female. The gender split in Indiana during the general election is probably a lot more even.
3. The only reason why Obama narrowly won Indiana in 2008 was because McCain was the candidate. McCain was seen as a liberal, immigrant-lovin' RINO by most Republicans, thus a significant portion of angry Indiana men stayed home, so Obama narrowly won the state.

Hillary is crushing Trump by 8-15 point nationwide according to most polls.

Polls have shown Hillary beating TRUMP in North Carolina, Georgia, UTAH, Arizona, and Missouri, yet Trump still crushes Hillary in Indiana according to a recent poll.

This means that North Carolina, Georgia, Utah, Arizona, and Missouri are all more Democratic than Indiana. This means that Hillary could win the election by 8-15 points and still lose Indiana. The reason why Indiana has become a lot more Republican now than it was in 2008 is because all the angry and sexist Indiana men hate Hillary and love TRUMP.
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« Reply #49 on: May 01, 2016, 04:16:48 PM »

Or maybe, you know, the GA, NC, MO and UT polls were junk? Clinton is winning IN before she wins MO, UT or GA. Period. Early general election polls are useless as sh*t.

Lol no.

Why would Trump lose Indiana? He's literally the perfect fit for the state (unlike McCain). Indiana is full of low-information rust-belt whites who hate free trade and immigration. Trump is going to get these people to turnout at record levels. Indiana is full of angry men who will love Trump. Clinton is winning Utah, Georgia, and Missouri before she wins Indiana. Clinton is also winning Wyoming and Alabama before she wins Indiana.
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