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« on: May 04, 2016, 01:06:21 PM »

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« Reply #1 on: May 04, 2016, 01:11:31 PM »

No, now the GOP matches the will of its voters.
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« Reply #2 on: May 04, 2016, 01:12:54 PM »

Trump has had more of a negative influence for the Republican party since he announced his candidacy. It would be a miracle if he can defeat Clinton in the GE later this year.
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« Reply #3 on: May 04, 2016, 01:19:12 PM »

No, but sensible rich white men are finding it harder and harder to find a home with each passing election cycle.
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« Reply #4 on: May 04, 2016, 01:25:28 PM »

No, but sensible rich white men are finding it harder and harder to find a home with each passing election cycle.

I would think that Democratic Party is their natural home at this point.
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« Reply #5 on: May 04, 2016, 01:26:06 PM »

Of course not, but Trump's highly effective alienation of women and minorities could help widen & solidify their support for the Democratic party, which is extremely bad for Republicans. The country is rapidly growing more diverse and GOP voters essentially just nominated a bigot whose candidacy could cost Republicans almost the entire non-white vote for a generation or more, not to mention lower support from other important demographics. This is on top of Republicans essentially ceding the Millennial generation to Democrats.

If this plays out as expected, Republicans could find themselves in the political wilderness as early as 2022 - 2024. Republicans will bounce back eventually, but it will be a long time before that happens.
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« Reply #6 on: May 04, 2016, 01:42:20 PM »

No, I personally can even see trump doing fairly well in the GE. But I do think this is the end of conservative dominance in the GOP, their force was overestimated and Cruz failure is the sign.
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« Reply #7 on: May 04, 2016, 01:47:29 PM »

No, but sensible rich white men are finding it harder and harder to find a home with each passing election cycle.

I would think that Democratic Party is their natural home at this point.

That's where they've been fleeing for 25 years.  It's why New Jersey and Connecticut went from reliably Republican to solidly Democrat, and why Delaware is no longer a swing state.

But if the Sanders/Warren faction pull the party LEFT...
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« Reply #8 on: May 04, 2016, 01:57:47 PM »

Nope, call me when the Democrats have supermajorities in the Senate and the House.
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« Reply #9 on: May 04, 2016, 02:05:37 PM »

Nope, call me when the Democrats have supermajorities in the Senate and the House.

John Boehner was effectively ousted as Speaker, and NO ONE wanted the job other than TPP nutjobs.  The GOP may have slim majorities, but they are internally dysfunctional and the circus tent is collapsing.
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« Reply #10 on: May 04, 2016, 02:10:36 PM »

Not bloody likely.  The GOP is still doing quite well on the state government level, and it is very likely that they will still hold the House after the 2016 election.  The Republican Party is 160 years old in a country with a political system that highly rewards a two-party structure.  

However, they need to make some changes if they want to win Presidential elections.  The United States' two major parties have shown great resilience and the ability to adapt when they're out of power.  The GOP has not been successful in doing this over the last several years, but I have to imagine they will eventually.
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« Reply #11 on: May 04, 2016, 02:21:47 PM »

Not bloody likely.  The GOP is still doing quite well on the state government level, and it is very likely that they will still hold the House after the 2016 election.  The Republican Party is 160 years old in a country with a political system that highly rewards a two-party structure.  

However, they need to make some changes if they want to win Presidential elections.  The United States' two major parties have shown great resilience and the ability to adapt when they're out of power.  The GOP has not been successful in doing this over the last several years, but I have to imagine they will eventually.

I don't think the point is about them winning or losing Presidential elections.  Even if Trump wins, this is still terrible for the GOP.  In fact, a Trump victory may be worse.  There is no party unity.  Half the party hates the man.  Most of the party hated his alternative, Cruz.  They were incapable of putting forth a candidate to unify the base.  They are no longer a five-ring circus; they are five separate circus tents.

What happens when Trump takes office and has to work with a GOP Congressional leadership?  How exactly is that going to go, when he is bound to alienate half of them?

This party is literally falling apart.  How do they move forward and pick up the pieces?
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« Reply #12 on: May 04, 2016, 02:25:36 PM »

It's the end of it in its current incarnation. TRUMP is perhaps the most secular Republican nominee of all-time and is the first one since the Nixon/Ford era to win the nomination without uttering the word 'God' every three seconds.
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« Reply #13 on: May 04, 2016, 02:28:02 PM »

It's the end of it in its current incarnation. TRUMP is perhaps the most secular Republican nominee of all-time and is the first one since the Nixon/Ford era to win the nomination without uttering the word 'God' every three seconds.

Reagan didn't
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« Reply #14 on: May 04, 2016, 02:34:54 PM »

It deserves to be.
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« Reply #15 on: May 04, 2016, 02:40:28 PM »

Even if Trump is going to be buried in a landslide (which isn't so likely, given the polatization), the GOP will still be around. Just like after 1964.
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« Reply #16 on: May 04, 2016, 02:41:58 PM »

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« Reply #17 on: May 04, 2016, 03:14:57 PM »

No, now the GOP matches the will of its voters.

NO it doesn't. Trump is the ultimate establishment candidate. The grassroots conservatives despise Trump.
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« Reply #18 on: May 04, 2016, 03:17:09 PM »

No, now the GOP matches the will of its voters.

NO it doesn't. Trump is the ultimate establishment candidate. The grassroots conservatives despise Trump.
The majority of GOP voters are not "movement conservatives" who attend CPAC and campaign for people like Cruz.
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« Reply #19 on: May 04, 2016, 03:38:14 PM »

No, now the GOP matches the will of its voters.

NO it doesn't. Trump is the ultimate establishment candidate. The grassroots conservatives despise Trump.
The majority of GOP voters are not "movement conservatives" who attend CPAC and campaign for people like Cruz.

Actually movement conservatives are. The ultimate problem is that too many states have open primaries. That's how trump STOLE IT
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« Reply #20 on: May 04, 2016, 03:45:52 PM »

No, now the GOP matches the will of its voters.

NO it doesn't. Trump is the ultimate establishment candidate. The grassroots conservatives despise Trump.
The majority of GOP voters are not "movement conservatives" who attend CPAC and campaign for people like Cruz.

Actually movement conservatives are. The ultimate problem is that too many states have open primaries. That's how trump STOLE IT

I think Trump would be the nominee even if every primary was closed because the only state he would have lost if that were the case, as far as I can tell, is Missouri.  Independents even hurt him in places like Virginia.
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« Reply #21 on: May 04, 2016, 03:46:50 PM »

No, now the GOP matches the will of its voters.

NO it doesn't. Trump is the ultimate establishment candidate. The grassroots conservatives despise Trump.
The majority of GOP voters are not "movement conservatives" who attend CPAC and campaign for people like Cruz.

Actually movement conservatives are. The ultimate problem is that too many states have open primaries. That's how trump STOLE IT

I think Trump would have won even if every primary was closed because the only state he would have lost if that were the case, as far as I can tell, is Missouri.  Independents even hurt him in places like Virginia.

Trump wouldn't have been allowed on any of the ballots
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« Reply #22 on: May 04, 2016, 03:47:59 PM »

No, now the GOP matches the will of its voters.

NO it doesn't. Trump is the ultimate establishment candidate. The grassroots conservatives despise Trump.
The majority of GOP voters are not "movement conservatives" who attend CPAC and campaign for people like Cruz.

Actually movement conservatives are. The ultimate problem is that too many states have open primaries. That's how trump STOLE IT

I think Trump would have won even if every primary was closed because the only state he would have lost if that were the case, as far as I can tell, is Missouri.  Independents even hurt him in places like Virginia.

Trump wouldn't have been allowed on any of the ballots

...What?
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« Reply #23 on: May 04, 2016, 03:48:22 PM »

Of course not, in fact, this will probably allow the GOP to make inroads in Michigan and PA and continue them in Ohio
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« Reply #24 on: May 04, 2016, 03:49:38 PM »

No, now the GOP matches the will of its voters.

NO it doesn't. Trump is the ultimate establishment candidate. The grassroots conservatives despise Trump.
The majority of GOP voters are not "movement conservatives" who attend CPAC and campaign for people like Cruz.

Actually movement conservatives are. The ultimate problem is that too many states have open primaries. That's how trump STOLE IT

Allowing the 80% of Americans to vote is stealing. Well known fact. Great fact. Amazing fact. One of my favorites. Movement conservatives have been cheated. Caucuses are the only democratic way to vote. Another one of my favorite facts.
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