Atlas Posters During the American Civil War

[Dereich]

There aren't enough southerners in this thread to get many interesting opinions (alwaysbernie aside, whose opinions are very "interesting") since everyone from the North is obviously going to say they'd be a  Republican.

I'm pretty sure I would have been a supporter of popular sovereignty, making me a Douglas supporter. However, since he only ended up getting ~200 votes in Florida I might have gone for Bell as the moderate hero option. I'm not really sure what I would have done once the war got going. I'd probably get drafted and die of dysentery or something.

[Clark Kent]

So what if Lincoln's primary goal was to preserve the Union? Secession is evil and the Confederates were all traitors who deserve nothing.

[Cassius]

So what if Lincoln's primary goal was to preserve the Union? Secession is evil and the Confederates were all traitors who deserve nothing.

Why is secession, in principle (ignoring, for a moment, the greater political context of the secession I question), evil? More importantly, if your state and the vast majority of your family and friends seceded from the Union, surely, if you chose to fight for the Union, that would simply make you a traitor to your state and to those closest to you?

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

So what if Lincoln's primary goal was to preserve the Union? Secession is evil and the Confederates were all traitors who deserve nothing.

Why is secession, in principle (ignoring, for a moment, the greater political context of the secession I question), evil? More importantly, if your state and the vast majority of your family and friends seceded from the Union, surely, if you chose to fight for the Union, that would simply make you a traitor to your state and to those closest to you?

Loyalty to one's country outweights loyalty to one's subdivision.

[Cassius]

So what if Lincoln's primary goal was to preserve the Union? Secession is evil and the Confederates were all traitors who deserve nothing.

Why is secession, in principle (ignoring, for a moment, the greater political context of the secession instead question), evil? More importantly, if your state and the vast majority of your family and friends seceded from the Union, surely, if you chose to fight for the Union, that would simply make you a traitor to your state and to those closest to you?

Loyalty to one's country outweights loyalty to one's subdivision.

And to one's friends and family?

[Goldwater]

So what if Lincoln's primary goal was to preserve the Union? Secession is evil and the Confederates were all traitors who deserve nothing.

So I take it you would have opposed the American revolution?

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

So what if Lincoln's primary goal was to preserve the Union? Secession is evil and the Confederates were all traitors who deserve nothing.

So I take it you would have opposed the American revolution?

I wouldn't make comparision between the American revolution and Southern states seceeding. America in 1776 was a colony. Southern states in 1860 were of diffrent category.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

So what if Lincoln's primary goal was to preserve the Union? Secession is evil and the Confederates were all traitors who deserve nothing.

Why is secession, in principle (ignoring, for a moment, the greater political context of the secession instead question), evil? More importantly, if your state and the vast majority of your family and friends seceded from the Union, surely, if you chose to fight for the Union, that would simply make you a traitor to your state and to those closest to you?

Loyalty to one's country outweights loyalty to one's subdivision.

And to one's friends and family?

Tough thing, I agree, but the history of American civil war (any civil war) is littered with splitted families.

[Intell]

So what if Lincoln's primary goal was to preserve the Union? Secession is evil and the Confederates were all traitors who deserve nothing.

There is no reason that secession it self is evil, the reason the confederates were seceding for however was evil. Scotland has the right to secede, so does Northen Ireland, as does Catalonia, and so do nation-states from imperialism, like India, Vietnam and the US. Secession though not a right, as that would have allowed the confederacy to secede, is not inherently evil, but should be allowed in most scenarios. Think of Hong Kong, Taiwan, Tibet, or Ukraine for Right-Wingers.

[Clark Kent]

So what if Lincoln's primary goal was to preserve the Union? Secession is evil and the Confederates were all traitors who deserve nothing.

So I take it you would have opposed the American revolution?

No because:

I wouldn't make comparision between the American revolution and Southern states seceeding. America in 1776 was a colony. Southern states in 1860 were of diffrent category.

I consider colonies/unincorporated territories and actual parts of countries different. For example, Puerto Rico should have the right to become an independent country. Texas should not.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

So what if Lincoln's primary goal was to preserve the Union? Secession is evil and the Confederates were all traitors who deserve nothing.

So I take it you would have opposed the American revolution?

No because:

I wouldn't make comparision between the American revolution and Southern states seceeding. America in 1776 was a colony. Southern states in 1860 were of diffrent category.

I consider colonies/unincorporated territories and actual parts of countries different. For example, Puerto Rico should have the right to become an independent country. Texas should not.

What is the difference between a colony and a country? Should Poland not be forced to rejoin Germany because it was outright annexed? Secession, while not something to take lightly, is not inherently wrong.

[World politics is up Schmitt creek]

I'll repeat what I said before: The goal of reincorporating the South into a country, any country, that wasn't explicitly and solely based on the principle of ownership of other human beings was itself a just reason to fight. There's no need to resort to morally ludicrous circumlocutions like 'secession is inherently evil' to explain why the war was justified even before the Union government became explicitly abolitionist.

[angus]

The goal of reincorporating the South into a country

That goal didn't exist.  The only thing keeping it together was mutual animosity toward the Republicans.

[World politics is up Schmitt creek]

The goal of reincorporating the South into a country

That goal didn't exist.  The only thing keeping it together was mutual animosity toward the Republicans.

By 'a country' I mean 'not the Confederacy'.

[Mr. Illini]

Given my partiality to northern liberal progressivism and general distaste for the southern United States, as well as ol' Abe hailing from my home state, it is fair to say I'd be a radical Lincoln Republican.

Not as inconsistent as RINO Tom likes to believe

[RINO Tom]

Given my partiality to northern liberal progressivism and general distaste for the southern United States, as well as ol' Abe hailing from my home state, it is fair to say I'd be a radical Lincoln Republican.

Not as inconsistent as RINO Tom likes to believe

Of course, being a radical Lincoln Republican is an oxymoron.

[IceSpear]

Take a guess...

[RINO Tom]

Take a guess...

You know everyone can still see Ice Spear, right?

[This account no longer in use.]

Take a guess...

You do know the reason why WV exists in the first place, right?

[IceSpear]

Take a guess...

You do know the reason why WV exists in the first place, right?

To provide your ungrateful Yankee ass with electricity, presumably. Show some respect.

[Mr. Illini]

Given my partiality to northern liberal progressivism and general distaste for the southern United States, as well as ol' Abe hailing from my home state, it is fair to say I'd be a radical Lincoln Republican.

Not as inconsistent as RINO Tom likes to believe

Of course, being a radical Lincoln Republican is an oxymoron.

I would've favored reunification but would have supported Lincoln in 1860 and through the war

[Mr. Jew]

>thread about Altas Posters during the American Civil War
>90% of dudes posting in it claim they would totes be Union supporters
>extra round of self-congratulatory backpatting


LOL

[White Trash]

>thread about Altas Posters during the American Civil War
>90% of dudes posting in it claim they would totes be Union supporters
>extra round of self-congratulatory backpatting


LOL

I kinda expected it when I started the thread. I think only four or five people, myself included admitted to being either Democrats or Confederates.

[This account no longer in use.]

Yes. Sadly, this forum is a bit of an echo chamber at times.

[Boston Bread]

I would have fought for Qing China against the Taiping rebellion.