Fellow 2016 Grads, Join Me in Honoring Our Glorious President

[Sprouts Farmers Market ✘]

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/this-years-college-grads-are-the-luckiest-in-a-decade/

Wow! Obama's America is quite the heaven we were all thinking about in 2008 regardless of our affiliation - this man delivered on his promises and then some! Consider for a moment just how privileged you are to be living in the Obama era because we may never see a year quite like this ever again. I'm not quite sure what we did to deserve a leader like him, but he embodies the totality of American exceptionalism, and I could not be prouder of the leader of my country. God bless the United States of America and continue to watch over this beautiful, intelligent man for years to come!

 

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

I'm gonna note that we had a black leader before Britain or the rest of "progressive" Europe.

(I'll note that if I'd really wanted, I could've been on track to graduate in December 2016, so that gives me the right to post in this thread)

[Maxwell]

I'm gonna note that we had a black leader before Britain or the rest of "progressive" Europe.

(I'll note that if I'd really wanted, I could've been on track to graduate in December 2016, so that gives me the right to post in this thread)

I was about to post something to this effect.

[Clark Kent]

I remember watching Obama's first inauguration in fifth grade.

[RFayette]

Barf.  Barf.  Barf.

I can't wait to see this apologizer-in-chief, pro-abortion, Mr. Executive Orders socialist out of the White House fast enough, even if it will probably be Hillary.

[Maxwell]

Barf.  Barf.  Barf.

I can't wait to see this apologizer-in-chief, pro-abortion, Mr. Executive Orders socialist out of the White House fast enough, even if it will probably be Hillary.

rofl lmao you're back from your hiatus i see

[RFayette]

Barf.  Barf.  Barf.

I can't wait to see this apologizer-in-chief, pro-abortion, Mr. Executive Orders socialist out of the White House fast enough, even if it will probably be Hillary.

rofl lmao you're back from your hiatus i see

Just because I believe in evolution now and am a little less ardently religious doesn't mean I became a liberal.

Obama is for voting rights for felons and opposes voter ID laws.  He wants to strip away our 2nd amendment rights.  He wants to raise taxes and increase government spending.  He opposes more offshore drilling and is hurting the coal industry with more regulations.  Of course I oppose his agenda. 

[Virginiá]

Obama is for voting rights for felons and opposes voter ID laws.  He wants to strip away our 2nd amendment rights.  He wants to raise taxes and increase government spending.  He opposes more offshore drilling and is hurting the coal industry with more regulations.  Of course I oppose his agenda. 

Seriously? Voter ID bills are a sham. First, there is no reason to even turn people away when you can just take a photograph of them, save it, and then after the election scan for duplicate faces. No candidate is out there assembling secret armies of tens of thousands of people willing to commit voter fraud just for a chance at winning an election. Second, there have been oodles of Republicans on camera admitting the real purpose of these laws. They drive down turnout among groups who are least likely to have an ID, which are young people and minorities, who guess what, vote majority Democratic. Skip on over to Wisconsin, where getting an ID can become a costly pain in the ass due to DMV hours, bureaucracy and fees for relevant documents. So much for poll taxes. It costs money for a lot of people to get those documents and be able to get to the DMV when they are both open and the person has time to wait. Something easy for one person not so easy for others.

What I'm surprised at here is how indifferent and/or oblivious you seem to be to it. The fact that there are better ways to combat in-person voter fraud, which is already rare, and yet support people who are blatantly using "fixes" which are knowingly meant to drive down turnout and nothing else. That's supporting voter suppression for partisan purposes. I'd like to say "that's not very American of you", but voter suppression is a sick obsession this country has had since its inception.

Come on fayette, if you're going to come out so strongly against something, then at least know what is going on there and if there are better ways.

[Thunderbird is the word]

Obama gets major props for improving relations with Cuba and Iran, and the ACA though far from perfect is at least a step in the right direction even if it is riddled with problems. My biggest issues with him are how disappointing he's been on civil liberties and the drone war. For better or worse though i'll take him over all the other previous presidents in my life and sadly (unless Bernie still pulls off an upset) whatever comes after him.

[RFayette]

Obama is for voting rights for felons and opposes voter ID laws.  He wants to strip away our 2nd amendment rights.  He wants to raise taxes and increase government spending.  He opposes more offshore drilling and is hurting the coal industry with more regulations.  Of course I oppose his agenda.  

Seriously? Voter ID bills are a sham. First, there is no reason to even turn people away when you can just take a photograph of them, save it, and then after the election scan for duplicate faces. No candidate is out there assembling secret armies of tens of thousands of people willing to commit voter fraud just for a chance at winning an election. Second, there have been oodles of Republicans on camera admitting the real purpose of these laws. They drive down turnout among groups who are least likely to have an ID, which are young people and minorities, who guess what, vote majority Democratic. Skip on over to Wisconsin, where getting an ID can become a costly pain in the ass due to DMV hours, bureaucracy and fees for relevant documents. So much for poll taxes. It costs money for a lot of people to get those documents and be able to get to the DMV when they are both open and the person has time to wait. Something easy for one person not so easy for others.

What I'm surprised at here is how indifferent and/or oblivious you seem to be to it. The fact that there are better ways to combat in-person voter fraud, which is already rare, and yet support people who are blatantly using "fixes" which are knowingly meant to drive down turnout and nothing else.

Come on fayette, if you're going to come out so strongly against something, then at least know what is going on there and if there are better ways.

I understand that.  I'm not exactly opposed to fewer people voting, especially when a lot of those folks who are unable to put in the time/energy to get an ID happen to be Democrats.  Plenty of liberals on here (and AAD) cheer when they know changing demographics (and immigration from other countries) mean more liberal voters, so I support laws that help conservatives at the polls.  Personally, I think re-instating some kind of poll tax would be just fine by me.

[Virginiá]

I understand that.  I'm not exactly opposed to fewer people voting, especially when a lot of those folks who are unable to put in the time/energy to get an ID happen to be Democrats.  Plenty of liberals on here (and AAD) cheer when they know changing demographics (and immigration from other countries) mean more liberal voters, so I support laws that help conservatives at the polls.  Personally, I think re-instating some kind of poll tax would be just fine by me.

So you support poll taxes and voter suppression to keep conservatives in power? Is this some sort of time-honored conservative tradition?

[Leinad]

Obama is for voting rights for felons and opposes voter ID laws.  He wants to strip away our 2nd amendment rights.  He wants to raise taxes and increase government spending.  He opposes more offshore drilling and is hurting the coal industry with more regulations.  Of course I oppose his agenda.  

Seriously? Voter ID bills are a sham. First, there is no reason to even turn people away when you can just take a photograph of them, save it, and then after the election scan for duplicate faces. No candidate is out there assembling secret armies of tens of thousands of people willing to commit voter fraud just for a chance at winning an election. Second, there have been oodles of Republicans on camera admitting the real purpose of these laws. They drive down turnout among groups who are least likely to have an ID, which are young people and minorities, who guess what, vote majority Democratic. Skip on over to Wisconsin, where getting an ID can become a costly pain in the ass due to DMV hours, bureaucracy and fees for relevant documents. So much for poll taxes. It costs money for a lot of people to get those documents and be able to get to the DMV when they are both open and the person has time to wait. Something easy for one person not so easy for others.

What I'm surprised at here is how indifferent and/or oblivious you seem to be to it. The fact that there are better ways to combat in-person voter fraud, which is already rare, and yet support people who are blatantly using "fixes" which are knowingly meant to drive down turnout and nothing else. That's supporting voter suppression for partisan purposes. I'd like to say "that's not very American of you", but voter suppression is a sick obsession this country has had since its inception.

Come on fayette, if you're going to come out so strongly against something, then at least know what is going on there and if there are better ways.

Oh, Virginia, don't you understand? There MUST be massive voter fraud, because that's the only way a radical Marxist Atheist Muslim like Obama could win in a right-of-center Christian Nation such as America! (Some people actually legitimately believe that. Not all Republicans. But a few here and there, the type who rarely leave their echo-chambers.)

Personally, I think re-instating some kind of poll tax would be just fine by me.

*spews drink*

Also, using the law to advance your political party is nothing short of a perversion of representative democracy and the very values this nation was founded upon. It's no less abhorrent when conservatives do it (they do) than when liberals do it (they also do).

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

Obama is for voting rights for felons and opposes voter ID laws.  He wants to strip away our 2nd amendment rights.  He wants to raise taxes and increase government spending.  He opposes more offshore drilling and is hurting the coal industry with more regulations.  Of course I oppose his agenda. 

Seriously? Voter ID bills are a sham. First, there is no reason to even turn people away when you can just take a photograph of them, save it, and then after the election scan for duplicate faces. No candidate is out there assembling secret armies of tens of thousands of people willing to commit voter fraud just for a chance at winning an election. Second, there have been oodles of Republicans on camera admitting the real purpose of these laws. They drive down turnout among groups who are least likely to have an ID, which are young people and minorities, who guess what, vote majority Democratic. Skip on over to Wisconsin, where getting an ID can become a costly pain in the ass due to DMV hours, bureaucracy and fees for relevant documents. So much for poll taxes. It costs money for a lot of people to get those documents and be able to get to the DMV when they are both open and the person has time to wait. Something easy for one person not so easy for others.

What I'm surprised at here is how indifferent and/or oblivious you seem to be to it. The fact that there are better ways to combat in-person voter fraud, which is already rare, and yet support people who are blatantly using "fixes" which are knowingly meant to drive down turnout and nothing else.

Come on fayette, if you're going to come out so strongly against something, then at least know what is going on there and if there are better ways.

I understand that.  I'm not exactly opposed to fewer people voting, especially when a lot of those folks who are unable to put in the time/energy to get an ID happen to be Democrats.  Plenty of liberals on here (and AAD) cheer when they know changing demographics (and immigration from other countries) mean more liberal voters, so I support laws that help conservatives at the polls.  Personally, I think re-instating some kind of poll tax would be just fine by me.

more americans beïng allowed to vote is perfectly equivalent with more americans beïng denied the right to vote, yes. good job, rfayette!

[Sprouts Farmers Market ✘]

For the record, if anyone clicked the link, this was about his economic genius. I have several qualms with the direction American cultural attitudes have gone through under his reign, but I can at least appreciate all he has done to save us.


Virginia, I find it odd that the statement you found so abhorrent in that post was voter Id laws, which even I agree with, so long as the government provided such id's at no cost, at least to the poor, and accepted student id's for young people. There is a time factor in getting id's to people before the election, but perhaps a provisional vote system can be etched out. In that case, the olds may be the only ones without proper access, but I reckon they have time to get it.

[LLR]

For the record, if anyone clicked the link, this was about his economic genius. I have several qualms with the direction American cultural attitudes have gone through under his reign, but I can at least appreciate all he has done to save us.


Virginia, I find it odd that the statement you found so abhorrent in that post was voter Id laws, which even I agree with, so long as the government provided such id's at no cost, at least to the poor, and accepted student id's for young people. There is a time factor in getting id's to people before the election, but perhaps a provisional vote system can be etched out. In that case, the olds may be the only ones without proper access, but I reckon they have time to get it.

That will never happen. Voter ID laws are an excuse for Republicans to stop poor minorities (read: Democrats) from voting. They are flawed because they're supposed to be flawed. They're "solving" a nonexistent problem and instead boosting Republican vote totals while disenfranchising those who have been historically disenfranchised.

[Intell]

While I might not agree him on a lot of social or cultural issues. Nor do I agree, with his weak actions in congress, giveaways to corporations and the TPP. I truly believe he is a good man, who handles the job of president well, and led America greatly out of the recession, has led a good war against ISIS, and has greatly improved the US economy, and US standing in the world. However saying that, he has been negligent and the issues of the working class, income inequality and poverty, and has not created a long-term plan to help coal country, and has not adequately helped people ruined by NAFTA and immigration.

Not a grad though.

[ElectionsGuy]

I remember watching Obama's first inauguration in fifth grade.

I do too.

[Oakvale]

Yes, Obama is a truly great man who bravely stood up to the twin menaces of Tea Party fascists and True Leftist whiners to make America great again.

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

Obama is for voting rights for felons and opposes voter ID laws.  He wants to strip away our 2nd amendment rights.  He wants to raise taxes and increase government spending.  He opposes more offshore drilling and is hurting the coal industry with more regulations.  Of course I oppose his agenda. 

Seriously? Voter ID bills are a sham. First, there is no reason to even turn people away when you can just take a photograph of them, save it, and then after the election scan for duplicate faces. No candidate is out there assembling secret armies of tens of thousands of people willing to commit voter fraud just for a chance at winning an election. Second, there have been oodles of Republicans on camera admitting the real purpose of these laws. They drive down turnout among groups who are least likely to have an ID, which are young people and minorities, who guess what, vote majority Democratic. Skip on over to Wisconsin, where getting an ID can become a costly pain in the ass due to DMV hours, bureaucracy and fees for relevant documents. So much for poll taxes. It costs money for a lot of people to get those documents and be able to get to the DMV when they are both open and the person has time to wait. Something easy for one person not so easy for others.

What I'm surprised at here is how indifferent and/or oblivious you seem to be to it. The fact that there are better ways to combat in-person voter fraud, which is already rare, and yet support people who are blatantly using "fixes" which are knowingly meant to drive down turnout and nothing else.

Come on fayette, if you're going to come out so strongly against something, then at least know what is going on there and if there are better ways.

I understand that.  I'm not exactly opposed to fewer people voting, especially when a lot of those folks who are unable to put in the time/energy to get an ID happen to be Democrats.  Plenty of liberals on here (and AAD) cheer when they know changing demographics (and immigration from other countries) mean more liberal voters, so I support laws that help conservatives at the polls.  Personally, I think re-instating some kind of poll tax would be just fine by me.

It's always refreshing to see the reactionaries admit the real intentions behind their discriminatory voting laws.  Because who needs democracy, right?

Barf.  Barf.  Barf.

I can't wait to see this apologizer-in-chief, pro-abortion, Mr. Executive Orders socialist out of the White House fast enough, even if it will probably be Hillary.

Not sure if trolling or if you're just retarded.

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

Barf.  Barf.  Barf.

I can't wait to see this apologizer-in-chief, pro-abortion, Mr. Executive Orders socialist out of the White House fast enough, even if it will probably be Hillary.

Not sure if trolling or if you're just retarded.

rfayette is one of the forum's loudest drumpfbacken, so…

[Virginiá]

Virginia, I find it odd that the statement you found so abhorrent in that post was voter Id laws, which even I agree with, so long as the government provided such id's at no cost, at least to the poor, and accepted student id's for young people. There is a time factor in getting id's to people before the election, but perhaps a provisional vote system can be etched out. In that case, the olds may be the only ones without proper access, but I reckon they have time to get it.

Voting rights is arguably my #1 issue. I actually have a big beef with the part about felony disenfranchisement, and even wrote an equally big paragraph about that as well, but then I realized that I don't want to argue about that because it's not exactly the same and there are legitimate reasons to take away voting rights in some cases (eg, if convicted of voter fraud/public corruption). The voter ID stuff is straight up voter suppression to win elections, though. As I stated, there are better ways to stop the exact kind of voter fraud that IDs are required for. There is no reason to turn people away just for lacking an ID. I cannot support such a law, especially when in-person voter fraud is exceedingly rare and ineffective.

It bothers me that there are so few Republicans/conservatives actively standing up for voting rights. They just lap up the lies their corrupt politicians feed them regarding non-existent voter fraud, while ignoring legitimate complaints from the left just because they are Democrats and so obviously their opinions on the matter are false and irrelevant. Fayette's statement(s) seemed to contain all the usual talking points. Fraud and "responsibility to do what it takes to vote", as in, "hey, we can make it so annoyingly difficult to vote for no other reason than to discourage you from voting, and if you really care, you'll deal with our bullsh**t!". It ****ing pisses me off and I'm sick of seeing conservatives support this bs garbage.

For people who care so much about freedom and the sanctity of elections, they seem to have no qualms about taking away rights from other people if those people do not believe in the same ideas. Conservatives have always been at the forefront of voter suppression, and it's sick.

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

I'm gonna note that we had a black leader before Britain or the rest of "progressive" Europe.

(I'll note that if I'd really wanted, I could've been on track to graduate in December 2016, so that gives me the right to post in this thread)

I was about to post something to this effect.

When you graduatin', bro?

And re: voter suppression talk. Maybe because I'm not particularly anchored to Republican electoral victory, but arguments from the right about voter ID aren't particularly concerning. Nevertheless, I'm not particularly attached to democracy as a pure form; as long as people vote and the winner is realistic, the priority should be on running an effective and well-functioning state (assuming we derive no dire sociological/societal consequences from said state functioning or from the voters becoming disheartened). Given that I can't trust the government to champion my values, I might as well have efficient administration.

[TJ in Oregon]

For the record, if anyone clicked the link, this was about his economic genius. I have several qualms with the direction American cultural attitudes have gone through under his reign, but I can at least appreciate all he has done to save us.

Haven't you just spent like the last 6 months advocating on behalf of the guy whose whole campaign is based on arguing that we need to scrap all of our trade and monetary policies because we're getting screwed? So which is it, is Obama a genius or an incompetent moron? Perhaps does Obama know exactly what he's doing after all?

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

For the record, if anyone clicked the link, this was about his economic genius. I have several qualms with the direction American cultural attitudes have gone through under his reign, but I can at least appreciate all he has done to save us.

Haven't you just spent like the last 6 months advocating on behalf of the guy whose whole campaign is based on arguing that we need to scrap all of our trade and monetary policies because we're getting screwed? So which is it, is Obama a genius or an incompetent moron? Perhaps does Obama know exactly what he's doing after all?

Half the Trump supporters on this site are not genuine Trump supporters.

[Sprouts Farmers Market ✘]

For the record, if anyone clicked the link, this was about his economic genius. I have several qualms with the direction American cultural attitudes have gone through under his reign, but I can at least appreciate all he has done to save us.

Haven't you just spent like the last 6 months advocating on behalf of the guy whose whole campaign is based on arguing that we need to scrap all of our trade and monetary policies because we're getting screwed? So which is it, is Obama a genius or an incompetent moron? Perhaps does Obama know exactly what he's doing after all?

Not a big fan of Trump's economic policies. I like that he is still better than most Republicans on those issues (and I remain optimistic about what he will become), but the primary thing I like is that he isn't PC obviously. That's what grabbed my vote. Top tier issue for me. I don't think I've made trade policies the basis of any support. Even if he did make our trade "better" then I'm not sure how that's a negative on Obama's accomplished fiscal agenda. Trump is railing hugely against Clinton-era stuff and even if you want to throw TPP in there (which I do like), that has had no effect yet obviously and is unrelated to the Obama economy/recovery - just his eventual legacy.

I would be a little divided in an Obama/Trump match-up because of the SCOTUS opening and needing a pro-life judge. Both are outstanding individuals and would be fabulous presidents.