GA-Landmark: Trump 42 Clinton 41

[MK]

I Know first hand here that dems aren't winning this state with Hillary lets take all guns Clinton.

  You guys like to mention that "we can run up votes with AA in the metro" possible but even still its not  enough to offset the white vote in other rural areas and Atlanta's more conservative counties like Cobb and YES Gwinnett is very republican despite its changing demos.  The dems aren't very organized here .   That religious freedom bill was a prime example of that. It took Dill to voteo the darn thing as the Atlanta democrats were powerless to stop it in the first place. The never ending rejection of Marta in the more white conservative counties is another example of the republican power here.


Yes, Bill Clinton in 1992 won here but 2016 far left wall street whore Hillary Clinton is not the right fit for this state. Trump will crush her with white males .

Lol!!

Anyway, Gwinnett supports Marta.
http://www.myajc.com/news/news/local-govt-politics/poll-gwinnett-residents-in-favor-of-marta/nkwrQ/
The leadership has been stalling and ignoring the will of the voters to even allow a vote on it.

There was a vote held on it in 2008 and it failed in a anti Republican election that Obama won with huge amounts of blacks voting for him.  Its really shocking it still didn't pass.   That AJC article highlighted the fact of more Conservative parts of Gwinnet being against it still. Most of the support comes from the more minority areas of the county which wouldn't be enough to win(not organized).  This is something I've had a active hand in trying to get support for and i can tell you that 60% support needs to be around 80% for it to be a sure thing. 

Bottom line, the chairman is bold enough to not want a vote on it should tell you there is no fear of being challenged because of it.   The Dem's are not strong enough here to mount a real organized effort.    Georiga is still a red state despite what happens ITP.
 
Trump would have to really blow it for it to flip sorta like IN did in 08 also the dems would need to spend huge amounts $$ of organzing voters here.

[HillOfANight]

The GOP is nervous about GA. They spent huge amounts of money defending it vs Michelle Nunn.

Overall, I think it leans GOP and if Clinton is targeting this state, they've already won anyway.

[GMantis]

If Gary Johnson or someone ran that could tip this race in her favor like how Bill won in 1992 and 1996 thanks to Perot.

Not a good comparison. Georgia was far more Democratic then (and Clinton being from the South mattered much more than it would today) and Perot took about equal number of voters from both candidates.

[Obama-Biden Democrat]

I Know first hand here that dems aren't winning this state with Hillary lets take all guns Clinton.

  You guys like to mention that "we can run up votes with AA in the metro" possible but even still its not  enough to offset the white vote in other rural areas and Atlanta's more conservative counties like Cobb and YES Gwinnett is very republican despite its changing demos.  The dems aren't very organized here .   That religious freedom bill was a prime example of that. It took Dill to voteo the darn thing as the Atlanta democrats were powerless to stop it in the first place. The never ending rejection of Marta in the more white conservative counties is another example of the republican power here.


Yes, Bill Clinton in 1992 won here but 2016 far left wall street whore Hillary Clinton is not the right fit for this state. Trump will crush her with white males .

Lol!!

Anyway, Gwinnett supports Marta.
http://www.myajc.com/news/news/local-govt-politics/poll-gwinnett-residents-in-favor-of-marta/nkwrQ/
The leadership has been stalling and ignoring the will of the voters to even allow a vote on it.

There was a vote held on it in 2008 and it failed in a anti Republican election that Obama won with huge amounts of blacks voting for him.  Its really shocking it still didn't pass.   That AJC article highlighted the fact of more Conservative parts of Gwinnet being against it still. Most of the support comes from the more minority areas of the county which wouldn't be enough to win(not organized).  This is something I've had a active hand in trying to get support for and i can tell you that 60% support needs to be around 80% for it to be a sure thing. 

Bottom line, the chairman is bold enough to not want a vote on it should tell you there is no fear of being challenged because of it.   The Dem's are not strong enough here to mount a real organized effort.    Georiga is still a red state despite what happens ITP.
 
Trump would have to really blow it for it to flip sorta like IN did in 08 also the dems would need to spend huge amounts $$ of organzing voters here.

Is the main issue then that suburban whites don't want to make it easier for Atlanta blacks to get to their neighborhoods?

[MK]

I Know first hand here that dems aren't winning this state with Hillary lets take all guns Clinton.

  You guys like to mention that "we can run up votes with AA in the metro" possible but even still its not  enough to offset the white vote in other rural areas and Atlanta's more conservative counties like Cobb and YES Gwinnett is very republican despite its changing demos.  The dems aren't very organized here .   That religious freedom bill was a prime example of that. It took Dill to voteo the darn thing as the Atlanta democrats were powerless to stop it in the first place. The never ending rejection of Marta in the more white conservative counties is another example of the republican power here.


Yes, Bill Clinton in 1992 won here but 2016 far left wall street whore Hillary Clinton is not the right fit for this state. Trump will crush her with white males .

Lol!!

Anyway, Gwinnett supports Marta.
http://www.myajc.com/news/news/local-govt-politics/poll-gwinnett-residents-in-favor-of-marta/nkwrQ/
The leadership has been stalling and ignoring the will of the voters to even allow a vote on it.

There was a vote held on it in 2008 and it failed in a anti Republican election that Obama won with huge amounts of blacks voting for him.  Its really shocking it still didn't pass.   That AJC article highlighted the fact of more Conservative parts of Gwinnet being against it still. Most of the support comes from the more minority areas of the county which wouldn't be enough to win(not organized).  This is something I've had a active hand in trying to get support for and i can tell you that 60% support needs to be around 80% for it to be a sure thing. 

Bottom line, the chairman is bold enough to not want a vote on it should tell you there is no fear of being challenged because of it.   The Dem's are not strong enough here to mount a real organized effort.    Georiga is still a red state despite what happens ITP.
 
Trump would have to really blow it for it to flip sorta like IN did in 08 also the dems would need to spend huge amounts $$ of organzing voters here.

Is the main issue then that suburban whites don't want to make it easier for Atlanta blacks to get to their neighborhoods?

Suspect that was the issue in 1990.  Now its more of many factors one as mention lack of strong democratic organization, tax hostility and marta has a "black" image.   Its not all racial marta imo does have its own issues. 

I honestly thought ithis state would flip to obama in 08 much like Indiana did.   The Republican machine here is stronger than i thought.

[pbrower2a]

Obama 2008 is the max-out for a bunch of states in voting for a Democratic President. Obama won like Reagan in a bunch of states (that is a max-out)and lost like either McGovern or Mondale where he lost.  The median win for Obama was about 16.4 (average Oregon and Michigan), but his mean loss was about 14.9 (average Kansas and Nebraska).

I can't imagine Hillary Clinton getting 16+% in OreAny gains from Obama 2008 will be in states that Obama barely won or lost in any way. gon or Michigan this year.

[Adam Griffin]

Yes, the MARTA expansion issue has always been and will always be about minorities coming into their communities. Go back to the 1960s and look the creation of ridiculously awkward cities in and surrounding Fulton County; this was both when MARTA first emerged and Fulton County Schools were integrated. There was even a city created that was fifteen feet wide and that ran the entirety of the Cobb/Fulton County line - designed to keep MARTA out and Atlanta city limits from reaching into Cobb County.

This crap is still going on right now - look at all of the new municipalities created or proposed in the past ten years in Dekalb County (Brookhaven, Lavista Hills, Tucker, etc) - the whites in what little is left of unincorporated Dekalb County (and some who are in "less favorable" existing municipalities) are trying to wall themselves off from the financial troubles of the rest of the county by isolating their services and preventing the county from having control over a lot of zoning and land use issues (and to a lesser extent, to ensure ATL proper doesn't annex them in the future or expand outward; ATL is completely boxed in right now save for the low-revenue, unincorporated parts of South Dekalb).

The arguments have become more covert and "sophisticated" with regards to MARTA: instead of overtly saying they are afraid of blacks jumping on a bus in South Dekalb/Fulton and riding into their communities to steal their TVs, they now talk about "crime coming in" and "property values", both of which are obvious code for the same thing and both of which are demonstrably untrue (crime follows development, not public transit; property values near mass transit lines are likely to increase over the long-term). There's also the tax argument revolving around "how long are we going to have to pay sales tax for MARTA that doesn't service us?" and "everybody knows MARTA is wasteful and inefficient".

Gwinnett County is still a GOP stronghold. Despite the fact that it's less than 40% non-Hispanic white at this point, it is still more Republican than the state as a whole. The County Commission is controlled exclusively by Republicans. Four out of five Board of Education seats are controlled by Republicans; the only elected county-level Democrat in Gwinnett is the fifth BoE member. There are more Latinos and Asians in Gwinnett County (32% of population) than African-Americans (27%). These people are not reliable voters even in presidential elections and a good chunk are non-citizens - the county would be a said and done story for Democrats in most races otherwise.

If Gwinnett County's electorate looked like its population - or hell, even its registered voter base - then the county would be anywhere from solidly Democratic to genuinely competitive. I have no doubt that majorities in Gwinnett County (whether that's measured by population, adult population, or even adult citizen population) want MARTA expansion. Unfortunately, the actual voter base is less amenable to the idea and the GOP in the metro generally run very good anti-MARTA campaigns that convince even the likeliest of supporters (i.e.: black voters) not to support it because "a one percent increase in sales tax is a bridge too far". It's just like the constitutional amendment to permanently cap state income tax that passed statewide in 2012...with like 75% of the vote.
 

[HillOfANight]

Times are changing. Companies are moving TO Marta. It almost seems like GOP are Democrat lite in GA
http://www.ajc.com/news/news/state-regional-govt-politics/marta-to-make-an-8-billion-pitch-to-change-the-fac/nmw3Q/

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http://politics.blog.ajc.com/2015/12/03/marta-expansion-may-have-an-ally-in-georgia-house-leader/
The GA GOP leader is open to it which is a much more positive tone than previous leadership.

http://atlanta.curbed.com/2015/11/16/9900040/alpharetta-mayor-atl-millennials-move-here