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« on: May 09, 2016, 08:20:37 PM »
« edited: May 09, 2016, 08:29:43 PM by Ronnie »

Just appeared on the Rachel Maddow Show:

Clinton 42%
Trump 38%
Johnson 4%
Stein 2%
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« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2016, 08:21:53 PM »

PPP is widely known for garbage and Pro-R national polls.

junk it.
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« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2016, 08:22:07 PM »

No poll data yet, but they just tweeted it. So the source is their Twitter.
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« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2016, 08:25:15 PM »

Should've been Biden
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« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2016, 08:35:34 PM »

http://theparadoxproject.org/blog-1/2015/12/21/is-public-policy-polling-a-reliable-source-no
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« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2016, 08:49:17 PM »

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« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2016, 08:50:03 PM »

All three candidates approval ratings are underwater including Sanders.
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« Reply #7 on: May 09, 2016, 08:54:59 PM »

PPP is widely known for garbage and Pro-R national polls.

junk it.

Are you capable of making a good post?
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« Reply #8 on: May 09, 2016, 08:56:43 PM »

The numbers are too low for Hillary and Trump. No way they are getting 38% or 42%. Junk poll
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« Reply #9 on: May 09, 2016, 08:57:56 PM »

If true, this is a travesty.
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« Reply #10 on: May 09, 2016, 08:58:38 PM »

The numbers are too low for Hillary and Trump. No way they are getting 38% or 42%. Junk poll

Yeah, they really didn't push leaners enough. Still I'm down for giving Democrats a wake up call.
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« Reply #11 on: May 09, 2016, 09:00:19 PM »

Also, PPP released a national poll exactly 4 years ago if anyone's interested.

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=153248.0

They had Obama at +3.

A week later it was Obama at +2.

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=153590.0

It can be argued PPP had a slight R bias in 2012 but I would call them a Pro-R poll.
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« Reply #12 on: May 09, 2016, 09:00:42 PM »


If Lice ran third party, what would the electoral map look like?  I wonder if Lice would have a shot at Utah?  Maybe Lice would also have a strong showing in Waukesha County?
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« Reply #13 on: May 09, 2016, 09:04:02 PM »

Any poll showing both candidates below 45% is ridiculous, but of course the Trump fetishists will pounce on this.
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« Reply #14 on: May 09, 2016, 09:05:57 PM »


Lice/Jury Duty '16!
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« Reply #15 on: May 09, 2016, 09:07:14 PM »

The numbers are too low for Hillary and Trump. No way they are getting 38% or 42%. Junk poll

Yeah, they really didn't push leaners enough. Still I'm down for giving Democrats a wake up call.

Sanders beats Trump by 10 in this poll.
47% to 37%.
I'd argue a good portion of the 5% drop for Hillary compared to Sanders are liberals/left leaning voters who dont like her. I hope Sanders will try and convince them to vote for Hillary.
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« Reply #16 on: May 09, 2016, 09:08:53 PM »

Any poll showing both candidates below 45% is ridiculous, but of course the Trump fetishists will pounce on this.
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« Reply #17 on: May 09, 2016, 09:10:43 PM »

Someone on twitter is saying the electorate of the PPP poll is a 38/38 split. I guess we'll find out tomorrow but that's not that bad for Hillary considering.
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« Reply #18 on: May 09, 2016, 09:12:51 PM »

Any poll showing both candidates below 45% is ridiculous, but of course the Trump fetishists will pounce on this.

But not the ones showing Trump below 40% in VA, WI and PA?

I've never mentioned Trump polling below 40% in PA, though he does struggle to break it in VA. Trump has been getting destroyed in WI polling since he began his candidacy. Trump's poor numbers in those states are stable, no reason to disbelieve them. Hillary has consistently polled above 45% in almost every national poll (except for the widely discredited Rasmussen one). So there's no reason to take this poll seriously, everyone who isn't a Trump fetishist would admit her numbers are too low here (as are Trump's, imo).
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« Reply #19 on: May 09, 2016, 09:14:06 PM »

FTR - PPPs national polls are actually not that great. It's part of the reason why I don't trust them, even if I like what they have to say. Oh and Johnson and Stein are NOT getting 6% combined.
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« Reply #20 on: May 09, 2016, 09:29:31 PM »

So in conclusion, trash this poll.
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« Reply #21 on: May 09, 2016, 09:44:38 PM »

Someone on twitter is saying the electorate of the PPP poll is a 38/38 split. I guess we'll find out tomorrow but that's not that bad for Hillary considering.
Sort of odd considering that Democrats have somewhere between a 5-10 point advantage over Republicans.
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« Reply #22 on: May 09, 2016, 10:30:17 PM »

RCP's polling average is around at Clinton +6.5 (though it would at +8 without the junky Rasmussen poll).  Regardless, this isn't that far off base.  If you have an 7 point lead, you're going to get some polls showing you up by 4, and a some showing you up by 10 or more.
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« Reply #23 on: May 09, 2016, 10:37:04 PM »

A possibility is that Stein/Johnson voters would mostly chose Clinton in a one on one matchup.
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« Reply #24 on: May 09, 2016, 10:56:06 PM »

Any poll showing both candidates below 45% is ridiculous, but of course the Trump fetishists will pounce on this.

No, it really isn't.   You have two candidates with high negatives six months out from the election.  A large number of people unwilling to commit to either candidate is exactly what you'd expect.
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