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Mopsus
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« on: May 11, 2016, 02:33:19 PM »

Your kind promotes a deeply disturbed worldview in which it is perfectly acceptable to demean and debase immigrants and their children for having the deeply discourteous desire to maintain cultural traditions or to fly the flag of their native country.

Here's the thing, though... if you're a person of Mexican descent who lives in the United States, that's obviously because you believe that the United States is a better country the Mexico*; so, why wouldn't you do everything in your power to assimilate to the country that you yourself (implicitly if not explicitly) recognize as superior?

I don't ask this in a snarky or condescending manner, by the way: as someone whose last immigrant ancestors came to this country around the turn of the twentieth century, I'm interested in seeing the outlook of those more in-touch with the immigrant experience.

*Incidentally, this line of thinking can be employed as a theological argument: If the God that Muhammad preached about really were the author of human history, wouldn't people from Christian countries be begging to immigrate to Muslim countries, not the other way around?
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Mopsus
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« Reply #1 on: May 11, 2016, 04:51:13 PM »

I am not particularly representative of Mexican immigrants but, what I can tell you, is that most Mexican immigrants are not of the opinion that "America is superior". They tend to think that it offers more economic opportunities and, perhaps, a higher quality of life but they do not think that America is superior. Generally speaking, immigration is an economic phenomenon so it's not much of a surprise that immigrants tend to resist assimilation.

So if immigrants' only interest is to use their host countries' economies, with little to no interest in bettering or improving them... can you see why some natives might be hostile to immigration?
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« Reply #2 on: May 11, 2016, 06:40:39 PM »

Here's the thing, though... if you're a person of Mexican descent who lives in the United States, that's obviously because you believe that the United States is a better country the Mexico*;

No, there are many Americans who happen to live in other countries but don't consider the United States inferior to those countries. I find it bizarre that you would assume this.

Why would you immigrate to a country that you consider worse than the one you just left?

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This doesn't even follow, and it's particularly bizarre in the context of the United States, seeing as that its history of immigration is well known and recognized.[/quote]

If you do believe that the country you live in is better than the one you left, you would want to keep it that way.

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God wouldn't reward the countries that do his will?
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