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« on: May 12, 2016, 08:16:02 AM »
« edited: May 12, 2016, 08:17:43 AM by Frodo »

Good to see Hillary has learned the right lessons from the primaries:

Clinton launches blitzkrieg on Trump

By Amie Parnes - 05/12/16 06:00 AM EDT

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« Reply #1 on: May 12, 2016, 08:34:52 AM »

The Republicans spent 100 million on negative ads and still got crushed. 

Good luck.
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« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2016, 08:36:21 AM »

I feel like the problem here is that nearly everyone knows the things he's said about women already.  They might not know exact comments, but they know he's said sexist things.  This won't affect Trump's support, and probably won't affect any gains that he gets.
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« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2016, 08:38:09 AM »

It's not bad to remind voters what Trump has said, but I think the focus is slightly off.

Clinton's campaign's highest priority against Trump should not be to highlight his (terrible) politics, but to drive home, again and again, the fact that Trump is grossly unqualified to be President under any circumstances, because he is a lying idiot.
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« Reply #4 on: May 12, 2016, 08:40:32 AM »

I think his business history is a richer source of attack ad material than the low hanging fruit everyone knows. I mean come on, the guy is a real estate and casino magnate operating in the Mid Atlantic - how can he not be a crook?
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« Reply #5 on: May 12, 2016, 08:46:23 AM »

The Republicans spent 100 million on negative ads and still got crushed.  

Good luck.
The interesting thing is that if you look at when conservative groups started dumping big money into anti-Trump advertising (in the aftermath of super-Tuesday, before then most money was spent attacking each other and not Trump), you actually see a huge drop in Trump's head to heads with Clinton.

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« Reply #6 on: May 12, 2016, 08:58:12 AM »

I actually thought the Trump University stuff had some legs, especially with stories run parallel to it about the working people who were defrauded by the scam. It's a repeat of the Romney Bain style attack of showing that he doesn't actually care about working people and it's probably a lot more effective that highlighting yet again all his sexist, racist etc statements - I think by this stage everyone's already aware of those and have made their minds whether to keep supporting him based on them. It's a shame that the judge postponed the Trump University trial until after the election because that would have certainly kept it front and centre in the news during the general election cycle.

And the tax returns. Every single day some Clinton surrogate needs to openly speculate on air on what's so troubling in them that he refuses to release them.
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« Reply #7 on: May 12, 2016, 08:59:50 AM »

Talking about Megyn Kelly is not unleashing the hounds of war.

I think Hillary would be better off talking about her political fundamentals, her platform and her vision for the future.

Clinton needs to be careful she does not focus purely on Trump.
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« Reply #8 on: May 12, 2016, 09:05:17 AM »

The Republicans spent 100 million on negative ads and still got crushed.  

Good luck.
The interesting thing is that if you look at when conservative groups started dumping big money into anti-Trump advertising (in the aftermath of super-Tuesday, before then most money was spent attacking each other and not Trump), you actually see a huge drop in Trump's head to heads with Clinton.



Explain FL?    I mean damn he completely destroyed  Rubio there eventhough they dumped major ad money.  I thought it would at least be within 10pts .

Indiana ?  He crushed Cruz there as well despite the ads and nevertrump stuff.

Trump is not playing the game like a conventional politician so conventional playbooks are useless.   Far as his business record. .. if you attack that maybe.  But ask yourself what broke person runs for president and self funds ?    I think hes actually more successful then we think.
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« Reply #9 on: May 12, 2016, 09:32:55 AM »

The Republicans spent 100 million on negative ads and still got crushed.  

Good luck.
The interesting thing is that if you look at when conservative groups started dumping big money into anti-Trump advertising (in the aftermath of super-Tuesday, before then most money was spent attacking each other and not Trump), you actually see a huge drop in Trump's head to heads with Clinton.



Explain FL?    I mean damn he completely destroyed  Rubio there eventhough they dumped major ad money.  I thought it would at least be within 10pts .

Indiana ?  He crushed Cruz there as well despite the ads and nevertrump stuff.

Trump is not playing the game like a conventional politician so conventional playbooks are useless.   Far as his business record. .. if you attack that maybe.  But ask yourself what broke person runs for president and self funds ?    I think hes actually more successful then we think.

There was a huge amount of early voting in Florida.

By Indiana, Trump was riding the positive press of his blowout wins in the Northeast.  There wasn't a ton of ads and #nevertrump stuff

Wisconsin is a better example
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« Reply #10 on: May 12, 2016, 09:55:42 AM »

She's nervous. I would be too if I was her.
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« Reply #11 on: May 12, 2016, 10:51:05 AM »

OP, it's Dogs of war.
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« Reply #12 on: May 12, 2016, 11:09:58 AM »

I actually thought the Trump University stuff had some legs, especially with stories run parallel to it about the working people who were defrauded by the scam. It's a repeat of the Romney Bain style attack of showing that he doesn't actually care about working people and it's probably a lot more effective that highlighting yet again all his sexist, racist etc statements - I think by this stage everyone's already aware of those and have made their minds whether to keep supporting him based on them. It's a shame that the judge postponed the Trump University trial until after the election because that would have certainly kept it front and centre in the news during the general election cycle.

And the tax returns. Every single day some Clinton surrogate needs to openly speculate on air on what's so troubling in them that he refuses to release them.


What could be in Trump's tax returns:

  • He's paying little or nothing in taxes
  • He's not as rich as he claims to be
  • Investments in unpopular or politically damaging companies
  • Donations to liberal democrats
  • More investments in China than he's previously admitted
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« Reply #13 on: May 12, 2016, 11:34:19 AM »

The Republicans spent 100 million on negative ads and still got crushed.  

Good luck.
The interesting thing is that if you look at when conservative groups started dumping big money into anti-Trump advertising (in the aftermath of super-Tuesday, before then most money was spent attacking each other and not Trump), you actually see a huge drop in Trump's head to heads with Clinton.



Explain FL?    I mean damn he completely destroyed  Rubio there eventhough they dumped major ad money.  I thought it would at least be within 10pts .

Indiana ?  He crushed Cruz there as well despite the ads and nevertrump stuff.

Trump is not playing the game like a conventional politician so conventional playbooks are useless.   Far as his business record. .. if you attack that maybe.  But ask yourself what broke person runs for president and self funds ?    I think hes actually more successful then we think.
Nothing you said contradicts my point, Trump's performance in head to heads with Clinton tanked once there was a concerted ad campaign against him.  This is because the rules are different between the primary and general electorates.  Attacks that are ineffective among Republicans are viable in a general election (and vice versa).
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« Reply #14 on: May 12, 2016, 11:55:38 AM »

I actually thought the Trump University stuff had some legs, especially with stories run parallel to it about the working people who were defrauded by the scam. It's a repeat of the Romney Bain style attack of showing that he doesn't actually care about working people and it's probably a lot more effective that highlighting yet again all his sexist, racist etc statements - I think by this stage everyone's already aware of those and have made their minds whether to keep supporting him based on them. It's a shame that the judge postponed the Trump University trial until after the election because that would have certainly kept it front and centre in the news during the general election cycle.

And the tax returns. Every single day some Clinton surrogate needs to openly speculate on air on what's so troubling in them that he refuses to release them.


What could be in Trump's tax returns:

  • He's paying little or nothing in taxes
  • He's not as rich as he claims to be
  • Investments in unpopular or politically damaging companies
  • Donations to liberal democrats
  • More investments in China than he's previously admitted

He's in debt, to the tune of tens if not hundreds of millions, to the same banks and other companies he criticizes Clinton for taking money from.
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« Reply #15 on: May 12, 2016, 12:40:35 PM »

She's nervous. I would be too if I was her.
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« Reply #16 on: May 12, 2016, 12:42:15 PM »

The Republicans spent 100 million on negative ads and still got crushed. 

Good luck.

This isn't the primary season.

Good luck. Smiley
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« Reply #17 on: May 12, 2016, 01:28:42 PM »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=930KadF_78Q
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« Reply #18 on: May 12, 2016, 02:05:56 PM »
« Edited: May 12, 2016, 02:09:15 PM by ProudModerate2 »

LOL@the idea of Clinton destroying Trump. Can't wait to see Trump's response.

Here is the scenario.
Clinton has others do "the destroying."
Idiot trump, with his Yuge ego and narcissistic sickness, cant help but defend himself by tweeting stupid and childish responses.
That's all you need ..... those of us in the electorate read and hear what trump is doing, and then we ask ourselves :
"Is that any way for a President to act ?"
"Do we want this kind of teenage behavior from our next Commander in Chief ?"
"Why is trump's conduct so un-presidential and unprofessional ? And why does he act like such a clown-shoe ?"

P.S.: Look at what he is currently doing with Senator Warren. trump so stupidly feel right into the trap, with his childish tweet responses to Warren. Makes him look soooo presidential.
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« Reply #19 on: May 12, 2016, 03:51:49 PM »


Once more out of the trench, dear friends, once more!
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« Reply #20 on: May 12, 2016, 03:54:04 PM »

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« Reply #21 on: May 12, 2016, 04:04:00 PM »
« Edited: May 12, 2016, 04:07:07 PM by Virginia »

She's nervous. I would be too if I was her.

I don't blame her. Her campaign was hoping for a drawn-out GOP primary and instead what happened is a drawn out Democratic primary due to a stubborn old man who refuses to recognize the fact that his presidential campaign is finished. All his staffers / trusted confidants convincing him day after day that he still has a chance and spending more money is the right thing to do should be investigated for abuse of the elderly.

Trump is looking at literally hundreds of millions of dollars of brutal ads in the next 6 months, so really I feel confident Trump will fall behind again once that begins affecting him. He is simply too cheap and too impulsive to fight back effectively without giving Clinton's campaign more ammo for their attack ads.
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« Reply #22 on: May 12, 2016, 04:41:04 PM »

Ill say it again Trump isn't running a conventional campaign.  Hes bypassing the media and typical political campaign and going right to the folks.  He will say anything that normal political candidates wouldn't dare say even if they wanted to.   Hillary can go negative and attack with the usual stuff.   Trump is not a governor, senator, congressman etc..  he was a entertainment guy and businessman.  Everybody knows the Donald Trump tabloid  nonsense already. 

All Trump has to do is stand next to Hillary and convenience voters that he can actually be president( nobody expects him yo know more than Hillary ) even if its the minimum. Once that happens Hillary is finished .    Those exit polls that show high percentage of voters wanting an outsider and anti establishment should worry you guys.  Its been consistent in both parties this year.
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« Reply #23 on: May 12, 2016, 04:47:14 PM »
« Edited: May 12, 2016, 04:53:44 PM by Virginia »

Ill say it again Trump isn't running a conventional campaign.  Hes bypassing the media and typical political campaign and going right to the folks.  He will say anything that normal political candidates wouldn't dare say even if they wanted to.   Hillary can go negative and attack with the usual stuff.   Trump is not a governor, senator, congressman etc..  he was a entertainment guy and businessman.  Everybody knows the Donald Trump tabloid  nonsense already.  

All Trump has to do is stand next to Hillary and convenience voters that he can actually be president( nobody expects him yo know more than Hillary ) even if its the minimum. Once that happens Hillary is finished .    Those exit polls that show high percentage of voters wanting an outsider and anti establishment should worry you guys.  Its been consistent in both parties this year.

Those polls also show Trump consistently losing to Hillary, save for a few outliers from time to time. You guys keep inventing these convoluted and complex ideas of how Trump is going to win, ignoring the fact that all the data says he will lose.

Analysts kept screwing up GOP primary predictions partly because they ignored the early polls and assumed Trump would go down somehow. Well, those polls now show him constantly losing. You guys are doing exactly what the analysts did, except in reverse - ignoring the early polls and assuming Trump will go up "somehow"
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« Reply #24 on: May 12, 2016, 04:55:33 PM »

What do you guys think is the best strategy?  She definitely needs to attack and can't ignore a lot of his BS, but how should she attack and what should she respond to?

I like what someone said earlier about portraying him as a con man and running Romney-Bain esque commercials about Trump University.  I think that's by far the strongest lane of attack.

I think you have to touch on the racist and sexist stuff he's said but in a very particular way that doesn't reinforce his image as an entertaining straight talker.  I also think if you get too personal or accuse him of corruption in certain ways it could very easily backfire based on Hillary's history.

I think focusing on him being manifestly unqualified is good but you have to be able to counter his positive image as an "anti-establishment" outsider.

Any thoughts?
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