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« Reply #25 on: May 16, 2016, 06:36:34 PM »

Re-reading 2020 Census Program Phases

I just noticed that the BBSP has two time periods. The first from December, 2015 to May 31, 2016 in which the states may make suggestions; and the second verification stage from December, 2016 to May 31, 2017 "to ensure the suggested updates were accurately applied."

I just realized that was so that states could verify that the census bureau had understood the suggestions.

You will notice the second phase is the Voting District Project beginning in December 2017. For 2010, the Census Bureau dropped the "Tabulation" from "Voting Tabulation District" so that now VTD stands for "Voting District".  The census bureau uses "tabulation" to indicate that the area tabulated may not conform to the actual area. For example, zip code tabulation areas, do not match zip codes, because zip codes are defined by the USPS to be comprised by mail routes, and mail routes typically cover both sides of a street. Since the Census Bureau bases its tabulation on census blocks, it can not provide a completely accurate count for zip codes.

The same used to be true for VTD's, because the census bureau would not split a census block. But beginning in 2010 they allowed this to be done. Had someone in Hudson been paying attention, the census bureau would have delineated the 6 election districts in Hudson. The census bureau does this by defining census blocks that matched the voting district boundaries, rather than the other way around - forcing voting tabulations districts conform to street boundaries.

What do you know about Hudson's Conservation Advisory Council?

I'd think it would work better to have a single Hudson GIS (or perhaps Columbia County) which they could add their specific items of interest.
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« Reply #26 on: May 16, 2016, 09:52:27 PM »

Hudson Narrative Census Tract 12 Block Group 1



The tints are based on the Census Bureau's prototype blocks for the 2020 Census. They reflect what their current intent would be. The bright green lines are my suggestions for 2020. I have not shown my suggested deletions. Block numbers might not be the same as for 2010.

The census bureau does not intend to use the driveways at the high school, Firemen's Home, or Middle School as census blocks boundaries. They also do not intend to use the footpath from N 6th Street and Glenwood Boulevard to the Middle School as a block boundary. Our suggested deletion of these lines is just cleanup and reduces confusion.



From a land-use standpoint it would make sense to merger blocks 1002, 1003, and 1004 in North Bay. They are uninhabitable.



Block 1000 is the same as for 2010 except for elimination of the driveways at the High School and Firemen's home.

Our suggestion of using Mill Street and the Old Dugway Road bike way would split off the southern portion. Using 3rd Street and an extension to Mill Street would divide this area, and also coincide with the ward boundary. The stream would provide additional division, though not as useful here as in further east.

The remaining northern section would include: (1) Firemen's Home; (2) Lucille Drive; (3) North side of Mill Street. The Firemen's Home would be enumerated as group quarters, so the division between Ward 2 and Ward 4 would only need a split of a population of a couple dozen persons or so.

The blocks west of N 3rd Street (extended) (in Ward 2) would be:

South of stream: Houses on east side of N 2nd Street;

North of Stream: No houses.

The blocks east of N 3rd Street (extended) (in Ward 4) would be:

South of Stream: Houses on east side of N 3rd Street; north side of State Street; north side of Carroll Street; west side of Short Street and Harry Howard Avenue; and Washington Street west of Harry Howard Avenue.

North of Stream: Houses on west side of Harry Howard.



Elimination of the foot trail as a block boundary doubles Block 1007 in size. This is now more like the 2000 version, though the Crosswind Apartments were built after 2000.

Using the streams and the Clinton Street extension would produce these blocks:

Block bounded by Harry Howard Avenue, Washington Street, N 6th Street, and Clinton Street (extended). This was used in 1990, and is entirely in Ward 4.

Houses on north side of Clinton Street, and west side of N 6th Street north of Clinton Street. Two houses are in Ward 4, with the remainder in Ward 5.

Houses on south side of Harry Howard Avenue north of the Underhill Pond, and the buildings in Crosswind Apartments that are outside the loop of streets. This is a prime example where recognition by the census bureau of address sequences as a basic building block would be an improvement. The houses are in Ward 4.

Houses on north side of Glenwood Boulevard west of Parkwood Boulevard; houses on west and north side of Parkwood Boulevard between Glenwood Boulevard and Oakwood Boulevard; houses on west side of Oakwood Boulevard between Parkwood Boulevard and Paddock Place; houses on west side of Paddock Place north of Oakwood Boulevard.



The remainder of the census blocks are the same as for 2010.
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« Reply #27 on: May 17, 2016, 12:59:22 AM »
« Edited: May 17, 2016, 03:08:05 PM by jimrtex »

Hudson Narrative Census Tract 12 Block Groups 2 and 3



Block Group 2 is north of Warren Street between N Front Street and N 2nd Street.

Block Group 3 is north of Warren Street between N 2nd Street and N 4th Street.

The census bureau proposes no changes for 2020 relative to 2010, and I suggest no alterations.

From a demographic basis, it would make sense for any blocks created from the southern portion Block 1000 to be moved into Block Group 3. Block groups are the lowest unit for which the census bureau reports data from the American Community Survey.
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« Reply #28 on: May 17, 2016, 02:08:17 AM »
« Edited: May 17, 2016, 06:18:38 PM by jimrtex »

Hudson Narrative Census Tract 12 Block Group 4



Block Group 4 is north of Warren Street and south of Washington Street, east of N 4th St, and west of N 6th Street.

The census bureau proposes to eliminate small unpopulated census blocks and merge them into an adjacent block.

In this case, the small block is bounded by Carroll Street, Short Street, and Prospect Street. This is essentially a traffic island where the three streets almost meet at a common point.

The census bureau proposes merging this with Block 2000 to the east. It is not clear what criteria was used. Merging across Carroll Street would have changed a block group line.

I think merging with Block 2001 to the south would be preferable. This would avoid a gap in Short Street, while only the tip of Prospect Street would be truncated.
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« Reply #29 on: May 17, 2016, 06:20:22 AM »
« Edited: May 17, 2016, 06:18:57 PM by jimrtex »

Hudson Narrative Census Tract 12 Block Group 1



Block Group 1 is west of S 3rd Street, south of Allen St; west of S 2nd Street, south of Warren Street; and south of North Bay.

The census bureau intends to use the railroad tracks from S Front Street to Union Street as a block boundary.

Block 1010 would thus include the residential areas south of Allen Street. There are no complete blocks other than that formed by Allen Street, Cross Lane, Deer Alley, and S 3rd Street. The realignment of Deer Alley west of Cross Lane has no impact on block boundaries.



The census bureau proposes maintaining blocks 1008 and 1013 as separate blocks based on use of a railroad that no longer exists. In addition, Block 1002 inexplicably extends eastward to include the no longer existent wye. The South Bay Causeway Truck Route uses the bed of the former railroad, but should not be used as a block boundary since it is a private road and there are no people in the area. Thus, 1008 and 1015 can be merged and be shifted west to the north-south railroad.



Focusing more on the northern part of the area:



The area between Water Street and S Front Street, and Broad Street and Ferry Street is divided into blocks 1003 and 1009 by the railroad tracks. I suggest moving the dividing line to the west track for consistency purposes. There was a 30-foot gap in the west track that was misclassified.

A more aggressive approach would be to eliminate these two uninhabited blocks. 1003 would be absorbed into 1002 which would include all the area along the Hudson shoreline up to North Bay. 1009 would be absorbed into 1010. If this latter change were made, it might be better to extend the delineation of the railroad wye into the north-south tracks. They physically connect of course, but do not connect in the census database.



Block 1004 currently consists of the area west of Front Street between Ferry Street and North Bay. It is mostly occupied by the Hudson Terrace Apartments. The west boundary is currently the railroad tracks, which are only accessible by climbing over a cliff. Block 1005 is a small unpopulated block that is defined by a non-existent street. The street should be eliminated and Block 1005 merged into Block 1004.

By moving the western boundary from the railroad tracks to the escarpment, and by delineating Promenade Hill Park, the block can be divided by the portion north and south of Warren Street, which are in wards 2 and 1 respectively. Dock Street provides a better limit for the northern block, which currently stretches to North Bay.



The Census Bureau proposes eliminating use of Ferry Street west of Water Street as a block boundary, and I have suggesting eliminating the portion of Ferry Street drawn through a parking lot.  With other changes, Block 1002 would be somewhat simplified:

(1) Railroad (west track) from city limits to Broad Street;
(2) Broad Street; Water Street; and Ferry Street;
(3) Escarpment along west side of Promenade Hill Park and Hudson Terrace Apartments;
(4) Dock Street; N Front Street; statistical line; North Bay shore line;
(5) Hudson River shoreline;
(6) Southern city limits.



The Census Bureau proposes separating the small tongue into North Bay as Block 1001. Currently, it is part of the large Hudson River Block 1000. If the Census Bureau were willing to modify a census tract boundary, then Census Tract 13, Block 1001 could be merged into Census Tract 12, Block 1003 which represents the open water estuary of North Bay.
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« Reply #30 on: May 17, 2016, 03:43:47 PM »
« Edited: May 17, 2016, 06:19:49 PM by jimrtex »

Hudson Narrative Census Tract 13 Block Group 2



Block Group 2 is south of Warren Street, between S 4th Street/E Court Street and Worth Avenue, and also extend to S 3rd Street, south of Powers Avenue.



The Census Bureau intends to enumerate the Hudson Correctional Facility (HCF) as a separate census block (with the indicated boundary). Currently there are a bunch of internal roads which form census blocks. The roads don't match the satellite view, or even cell blocks. I can't see how they could serve any census purpose. If the Department of Corrections needs to find an inmate, they won't be asking the Census Bureau. I suggest eliminating all internal roads, and keeping the public access road down E Court Street, around the west and south edge to the public/employee parking lot, and then east to the road to Worth Avenue (south of the Bronson House). This would shown as a street, but not used as a block boundary. As a result, Blocks 2009, 2010, and 2011 can be merged.



The railroad to the cement plant has been removed, and replaced by the South Bay Causeway Truck Route. This is a private road and should not be used as a block boundary. As a result, Blocks 2012 and 2013 can be merged.



The census bureau plans to use the railroad from S Front Street to Union Street as a block boundary. This means that Block 2003 south of Union Street and E Allen Street, between East Court Place and roughly S 7th Street will be separate as it was in 2000. Hudson Avenue dead ends within the block.



The marking off of the HCF, means that Block 2008 will be the houses on the south side of Union Street east of S 7th Street, and west side of Worth Avenue. Previously this area was mixed in with the HCF.



Cherry Alley is currently not delineated all the way from Cith Hall Place to S 5th Street. I have suggested correcting this omission. This would split Block 2000, between S 4th Street and S 5th Street. While a case could be made for not using the alleys as block boundaries, the practice in Hudson has been to use them. There should be a consistent practice in Hudson.
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« Reply #31 on: May 17, 2016, 06:17:55 PM »
« Edited: May 17, 2016, 06:42:58 PM by jimrtex »

Hudson Narrative Census Tract 13 Block Group 3



Block Group 3 is between S 2nd Street and S 4th Street/E Court Street and Warren Street and Allen Street. It also extents south to Power Avenue between S 3rd Street and E Court Place.



The Census Bureau intends to use the railroad tracks between S Front Street and Union Street as a block boundary (as it had in 2000). This separates Block 3010, including houses on the south side of Allen Street, and all houses on Willard Place.



The direct connection between Power Avenue and S 3rd Street no longer exists. Power Avenue now divides from S 3rd Street at an acute angle creating a spike. The spike in Block 3011 is correct. In 2010 it was erroneously a separate block. It might make sense to move Block 3011 to Block Group 2.



Cherry Alley was not completely delineated between City Hall Place and S 5th Street. Correction of the portion between City Hall Place and S 4th Street divides Block 3009.
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« Reply #32 on: May 17, 2016, 06:41:09 PM »
« Edited: May 17, 2016, 07:48:48 PM by jimrtex »

Hudson Narrative Census Tract 13 Block Group 4



Block Group 4 is south of Columbia Street, and east of Worth Avenue-Warren Street-8th Street. It also includes a pie wedge between Columbia Street-Union Turnpike and Fairview Avenue out to Graham Avenue.



In the past there have been a mass of lanes delineated in Cedar Park Cemetery, forming a dozen census blocks with no one living there. The census bureau has converted the "streets" to statistical lines, and I have suggested removing them. There remain lines used to indicate the actual extent of the cemetery as an areal feature. They may not be accurate. In addition, the city limits around the southern part of property are not accurate. This possibly resulted in 2 Greenport residents being enumerated in Hudson. A correct will likely need a more official endorsement. As it stands now the entire Cedar Park Cemetery will be in Block 4011



There is a need for special attention at the entrance to the cemetery. The driveways into the cemetery were place in the wrong place, but somehow became recognized as the city limits. The census bureau intends to use them as block boundaries. A better city limit for census purposes is the center line of Columbia Turnpike, which is highlighted in bright green. Columbia Turnpike is used for the remainder of the boundary east to Newman Road, and west to Ten Broeck Lane.

To correct this, the census boundary between the city of Hudson and town of Greenport need to be moved to TLID 41523628 (Columbia Turnpike). This will move a tiny sliver of Census Tract 11, Block 4026 into Census Tract 13, Block 4011, but will permit deletion of the bad statistical lines.



Van Winkle Road, Van Winkle Road Ext, and Academy Hill Drive on Prospect Hill are badly aligned. The corrections in alignment and spelling have no effect on Block 4007



The Census Bureau has a non-existent street east of the eastern tip of Prospect Avenue labeled as "Columbia Turnpike" and intends to use it as the western boundary for Block 4006. Since the street does not exist it is not suitable for a block boundary.

The Census Bureau also proposes eliminating the triangle formed by Columbia Street, Prospect Avenue, and the real Columbia Turnpike, by assigning it to Block 4008. Columbia Turnpike has been a ward boundary since 1855, and thus is the preferred street. Prospect Avenue is a short connector street.

Block 4006 should extend west to the intersection of Columbia Street and Columbia Turnpike. Block 4007 should be bounded on the north by Prospect Avenue and Columbia Turnpike. Block 4008 should be bounded on its tip by Columbia Street, a small segment of Columbia Turnpike and Prospect Avenue.



There is a non-existent street west of Columbia Memorial Hospital that runs through a medical building. It should be eliminated, permitting the merging of Blocks 4008 and 4009.



There is an erroneous extension of Faxon Avenue through a church parking lot north of Storm Avenue, connecting to Union Turnpike. Elimination of this non-existent street means that the remaining stub of Faxon Avenue no longer qualifies as a block boundary. Blocks 4003 and 4004 should be merged.

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« Reply #33 on: May 17, 2016, 08:15:17 PM »
« Edited: May 18, 2016, 01:39:30 AM by jimrtex »

Hudson Narrative Census Tract 13 Block Group 5



Block Group 5 is between Columbia Street and Glenwood Boulevard; and N 6th Street and Fairview Avenue. It also includes a stubby panhandle south to Warren Street between N 6th Street and 8th Street.



The Census Bureau intends to use the railroad tracks from State Street to Fairview Avenue as block boundaries, as was done in 2000. This provides a separation between Glenwood Boulevard and Spring Street in Block 5000 from the areas along Green Street in Block 5001



The use of Oakdale Pond and the stream running into it, will provide a separate block for south side of Glenwood Boulevard and both sides of Spring Street; and the east side of N Seventh Street and Railroad Avenue.



Rope Alley between N 6th Street and N 7th Street is missing from current map. Adding it splits Block 5003.



Census Bureau proposes eliminating triangle bounded by Green Street, Columbia Street, and State Street. The Census Bureau would eliminate the Columbia Street side, placing the triangle in Block 5009.

My prioritization of the streets would be:

(1) Green Street because it is highway.
(2) Columbia Street because it Hudson's longest continuous street, and is the ward boundary between wards 3 and 5.
(3) State Street end of street (dead ends at Columbia Street).

Not holding State Street as a block boundary will make Block 5010 bounded by Green Street, Columbia Street and Frederick Street.  Block 5009 will be bounded by Columbia Street, 8th Street, Prison Alley, and Park Place.
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« Reply #34 on: May 18, 2016, 05:42:09 AM »

Hudson Narrative Item 01



Delete spurious "Faxon Avenue" through parking lot.
Remaining stub of Faxon Avenue north of Storm Avenue no longer eligible for block boundary.
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« Reply #35 on: May 18, 2016, 06:01:22 AM »

Is this what you are looking for?

There is a field called JUSTIFY, which is a 150-character field which I have provided for each suggested change. I can include an "item" code, so that the changes in the edges shapefile can be organized by item.

Hudson Narrative Item 01



Delete spurious "Faxon Avenue" through parking lot.
Remaining stub of Faxon Avenue north of Storm Avenue no longer eligible for block boundary.
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« Reply #36 on: May 18, 2016, 06:27:10 AM »
« Edited: May 18, 2016, 06:29:38 AM by Torie »

I need something emailed to me with larger areas, that gives one an idea of what you are proposing. If I don't get it, I will need to take the existing census block, and draw the lines that I really care about, and tell them, hey, at the very least do this. Pigs get fat, and hogs get slaughtered. I fear without doing what I suggest, we might end up in the hog category. I am concerned, that I may need to get the mayor's blessing to get this done, and I don't want to frighten her. The latfor guy, basically asked who the F are you and the Jimrtex guy? Telling him that I may be a future mayor of Hudson, and you are this obsessive dude in Houston who shares with me this very odd fascination with all things Hudson,  I don't think will cut it. Smiley
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« Reply #37 on: May 18, 2016, 02:27:21 PM »

I need something emailed to me with larger areas, that gives one an idea of what you are proposing. If I don't get it, I will need to take the existing census block, and draw the lines that I really care about, and tell them, hey, at the very least do this. Pigs get fat, and hogs get slaughtered. I fear without doing what I suggest, we might end up in the hog category. I am concerned, that I may need to get the mayor's blessing to get this done, and I don't want to frighten her. The latfor guy, basically asked who the F are you and the Jimrtex guy? Telling him that I may be a future mayor of Hudson, and you are this obsessive dude in Houston who shares with me this very odd fascination with all things Hudson,  I don't think will cut it. Smiley
Has the LATFOR guy submitted anything from New York? The Census Bureau expects one set of files per county.

If he wanted to be proactive he would have farmed this out to the counties, or perhaps to the legislators. If so, there would be someone in Columbia County who either ignored him, or sent him something, or is working on something. We're confusing the LATFOR by going directly to him.

If there is someone in Columbia County who is actually working on a submission, it would be easier to go through him.

Maybe your legislators could figure out if there is any process.
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« Reply #38 on: May 18, 2016, 02:34:20 PM »

Hudson Narrative Item 02



Delete lines corresponding to lanes in Cedar Park Cemetery. There is no reason define census blocks since there is no one living there.
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« Reply #39 on: May 18, 2016, 03:29:27 PM »
« Edited: May 20, 2016, 01:20:34 AM by jimrtex »

Hudson Narrative Item 03



Driveway at northeast entrance of Cedar Park Cemetery was incorrectly comprehended as forming the boundary between the City of Hudson and Town of Greenport, rather than the adjacent line along Columbia Turnpike.

For these lines (TLID 41506551 and TLID 41506554) to be deleted, the block boundary must be moved to Columbia Turnpike (TLID 41523628)

For that to occur the boundaries of:

Hudson city
Greenport town
Census Tract 11, Columbia County
Census Tract 13, Columbia County

must be shifted to (TLID 41523628)
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« Reply #40 on: May 18, 2016, 04:31:22 PM »

I need something emailed to me with larger areas, that gives one an idea of what you are proposing. If I don't get it, I will need to take the existing census block, and draw the lines that I really care about, and tell them, hey, at the very least do this. Pigs get fat, and hogs get slaughtered. I fear without doing what I suggest, we might end up in the hog category. I am concerned, that I may need to get the mayor's blessing to get this done, and I don't want to frighten her. The latfor guy, basically asked who the F are you and the Jimrtex guy? Telling him that I may be a future mayor of Hudson, and you are this obsessive dude in Houston who shares with me this very odd fascination with all things Hudson,  I don't think will cut it. Smiley
Has the LATFOR guy submitted anything from New York? The Census Bureau expects one set of files per county.

If he wanted to be proactive he would have farmed this out to the counties, or perhaps to the legislators. If so, there would be someone in Columbia County who either ignored him, or sent him something, or is working on something. We're confusing the LATFOR by going directly to him.

If there is someone in Columbia County who is actually working on a submission, it would be easier to go through him.

Maybe your legislators could figure out if there is any process.

The Latfor guy said they were doing it (presumably in Albany), and wondered how I found that all out. I told him the internet is a wonderful thing. But he didn't give me any further details, and did not know any really. He was a mere conduit. But you saw what I wrote.

Anyway, when I am back for a day next Tuesday, I will probably email him the changes that I really want, and call him to ask for a status update, and whether I need the Mayor to intercede or what, and can I took to someone actually doing the work, and if I can't, how about the Mayor, or her attorney, or the local state legislator, and so forth. There is a way to break through the bureaucratic curtain, trust me. Hopefully in the interim, there will either call me again, or email me.
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« Reply #41 on: May 19, 2016, 09:06:49 AM »
« Edited: May 20, 2016, 01:21:40 AM by jimrtex »

Hudson Narrative Items 04-10



Item 04: Delete extraneous lanes from Hudson Burial Ground.



Item 05: Delete reservoirs from Reservoir Hill. Most have been replaced by covered storage and serve no census purpose.



Item 06: Correct spelling of street name, and alignment of Van Winkle Road, Van Winkle Road Ext, and Academy Hill Drive.



Item 07: Remove extraneous street southeast of Warren Street and Worth Avenue.



Item 08: Delete non-existent "Columbia Turnpike" a north-south segment east of the tip of Prospect Avenue. Express preference that Columbia Turnpike be held as a block boundary, and Prospect Avenue not be held as a block boundary for Columbia Street-Columbia Turnpike-Prospect Avenue intersection. Columbia Turnpike is the ward boundary there.

This will result in a block bounded by Columbia Street, Columbia Turnpike and Paul Avenue.



Item 09: Delete driveway/alley north of Columbia Street. It is unnamed, and is not correctly aligned. The houses facing it have Columbia Street addresses, so in effect it is just a long driveway into the interior of the block between Columbia Street and Green Street.



Item 10: Delete non-existent street west of Columbia Memorial Hospital. Since it is a block boundary, the blocks can be merged. In conjunction with Item 08, the block will  be bounded by Columbia Street, Columbia Turnpike, Prospect Avenue, Prison Alley, and 8th Street.
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« Reply #42 on: May 19, 2016, 03:20:41 PM »

I need something emailed to me with larger areas, that gives one an idea of what you are proposing. If I don't get it, I will need to take the existing census block, and draw the lines that I really care about, and tell them, hey, at the very least do this. Pigs get fat, and hogs get slaughtered. I fear without doing what I suggest, we might end up in the hog category. I am concerned, that I may need to get the mayor's blessing to get this done, and I don't want to frighten her. The latfor guy, basically asked who the F are you and the Jimrtex guy? Telling him that I may be a future mayor of Hudson, and you are this obsessive dude in Houston who shares with me this very odd fascination with all things Hudson,  I don't think will cut it. Smiley
Has the LATFOR guy submitted anything from New York? The Census Bureau expects one set of files per county.

If he wanted to be proactive he would have farmed this out to the counties, or perhaps to the legislators. If so, there would be someone in Columbia County who either ignored him, or sent him something, or is working on something. We're confusing the LATFOR by going directly to him.

If there is someone in Columbia County who is actually working on a submission, it would be easier to go through him.

Maybe your legislators could figure out if there is any process.

The Latfor guy said they were doing it (presumably in Albany), and wondered how I found that all out. I told him the internet is a wonderful thing. But he didn't give me any further details, and did not know any really. He was a mere conduit. But you saw what I wrote.

Anyway, when I am back for a day next Tuesday, I will probably email him the changes that I really want, and call him to ask for a status update, and whether I need the Mayor to intercede or what, and can I took to someone actually doing the work, and if I can't, how about the Mayor, or her attorney, or the local state legislator, and so forth. There is a way to break through the bureaucratic curtain, trust me. Hopefully in the interim, there will either call me again, or email me.

LATFOR is a legislative agency established by Legislative Law § 83-m.

It has two senator members, two assembly members, and two citizen members. The two "citizen members" appear to be extremely legislative insiders. Mr. Feferi may be part of the staff.

"The staff--the joint staff in particular was just extraordinarily helpful all the way through.  Both the cartographic staff headed by Chris Ruiz and the demographic staff headed by Isaac Pheffer [phonetic] did just a great job."

The task force has a senate and assembly executive directors.

They work for the legislature, so it would be entirely appropriate to contact your legislators to find out what they are doing. It had nothing to do with putting pressure on bureaucrats.

It appears that the last visible activity of LATFOR was in 2012 when they submitted a redistricting plan for the legislature. This was a 15 minute meeting. Senator Dilan asked to speak (in a very interesting Brooklyn, with a twist of Puerto Rican accent). He then went on to suggest the task force was a farce, sham, and waste of time, and that he had considered boycotting the meeting. After introducing the members, and thanking the staff, etc., the chair and other members spoke a little bit about the map, as Senator Dilan glowered off into space. Finally it came time for a formal vote, and Senator Dilan wanted to make sure what they were voting on. He was graciously handed a copy of a report (around 3/4 inch thick) and assured that it did not include a congressional plan. On a voice vote, 5 members raised their hands and said "Aye". The chair asked for the No's and Senator Dilan raised his hand and voted "Aye". I don't know if he decided to vote Aye at the last moment, or meant, "Yes I vote No". The minutes only report that the motion carried.

LATFOR had been charged with making the prison adjustment. That legislation was passed after the census had been completed, so they were playing catchup. Hudson was messed up because the HCF was in 4 census blocks, one of which included parts of Union Street. LATFOR combined the four, removed the prisoners and then reallocated the residual residents in proportion to the census population.

It could be that LATFOR is totally focused on the prison adjustment. When you said "I'm from Hudson and ...", Feferi heard "I'm calling about the prison adjustment in Hudson ..." and thought, "we've got that covered".

PL 94-171 (which I recommend you read again) specifically requires bipartisan recommendations about small areas for redistricting purposes.

So the Census Bureau would have contacted the legislative leadership about appointing a redistricting program liaison. The leadership would have chosen LATFOR. The Census Bureau would say "that's great" and sent them the stuff.

The LATFOR (two senators, two assemblymen, two citizen members) may have never met nor given a charge to the staff. It isn't the job of the legislative staff to serve the public. Those with technical skills must certainly have other jobs.
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« Reply #43 on: May 19, 2016, 08:53:25 PM »
« Edited: May 20, 2016, 01:22:13 AM by jimrtex »

Hudson Narrative Items 11-22





Item 11: Delete extraneous extension of Joe Alley.



Item 12: Delete extraneous street adjacent to State Street between Green Street and the railroad tracks.



Item 14: Preferred block boundaries for Green Street-State Street-Columbia Street triangle are Green Street (highway) and Columbia Street (continuous street and ward boundary). Non-hold of State Street will create block bounded by Green Street, Frederick Street, and Columbia Street.



Item 15: Delete Prison Alley, does not exist across Public Square.



Item 16: Delete non-existent streets between Long Alley and State Street, N 6th Street and N 7th Street.



Item 17: Delete non-existent street parallel, and connecting to N 7th Street, north of State Street.



Item 18: Add Rope Alley between N 6th Street and N 7th Street. Currently missing. Use as block boundary is consistent with current practice in Hudson.



Item 19: Preferred block boundaries for Short Street-Prospect Street-Carroll Street triangle are Carroll Street (avoids merge with large block), and Short Street (continuous). Non-hold of Prospect Street will create block bounded by Rope Alley, Short Street, and Carroll Street.



Item 20: Completion of Cherry Alley between City Hall Place and S 5th Street. Current version omits crossing of S 4th Street. Use as block boundary is consistent with current practice in Hudson.



Item 21: Delete non-existent tail (driveway) and extraneous extension of Hudson Avenue.



Item 22: Delete railroad siding that does not exist.
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« Reply #44 on: May 19, 2016, 10:09:14 PM »

Hudson Narrative Items 23-25





Item 23: Delete driveway to Bronson House, in incorrect location, misaligned, and extraneous.



Item 24: Delete internal roads at Hudson Correctional Facility (HCF). Lines do not correspond to any reality, and serve no purpose as block boundaries. Entire HCF to be processed as single block.



Item 25: Create single continuous path corresponding to public access road to Hudson Correctional Facility. Do not use as block boundary, reference only.

Path is from E Court Street around west and south edge of facility to visitors parking lot, then along the southern edge to connect to existing road to Worth Avenue. Entire path is outside security fence.
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« Reply #45 on: May 20, 2016, 01:35:51 AM »

Hudson Narrative Items 26-32





Item 26: Delete former connection of Power Avenue to S 3rd Street. Power Avenue now goes south before connecting to 3 3rd Street.



Item 27: Delete spurious line.



Item 28: Delete Railroad to cement plant that has been removed. It currently is a block boundary, but there is no utility of a block boundary here. The block boundary corresponding to the western part of the wye should be moved (see Item 29).



Item 29: Recognize main north-south railroad as block boundary, replacing use of tracks that no longer exist (see Item 28).



Item 30: Add South Bay Causeway Truck Route. This is a private road built on the bed of the former railroad. There is public use and it connects to Front Street, so it should be recognized for reference purposes, but not as a block boundary.



Item 31: Delete extraneous line in Hudson River.



Item 32: Delete driveway to deep water port. Misaligned, connection to Front Street does not exist.
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« Reply #46 on: May 20, 2016, 05:56:03 AM »

Hudson Narrative Items 33-37





Item 33: Realign Deer Alley



Item 34: Delete non-existent South Alley



Item 35: Correct MTFCC for MLID 41513866 to R1011. Currently this is a statistical line, creating a 30-foot gap in the west track about 100 feet south of Ferry Street.

Move block boundary to west tract to create consistent usage throughout Hudson.



Item 36: Delete spurious street.



Item 37: Realign Ferry Street, eliminate path through parking lot, extend closer to former ferry landing.
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« Reply #47 on: May 20, 2016, 06:08:43 AM »

Hudson Narrative Item 38



Set BBSP_2020 to 1 (must hold) for railroad tracks from S Front Street to Union Street; and State Street to Fairview Avenue. These were block boundaries in 2000, but not 2010. The current census bureau intent is to hold these railroads as block boundaries.

But Census Bureau guidance is:

"You may wish to assign a must hold flag to features that are planned 2020 block boundaries. If the block definition criteria change between the time Phase 1 BBSP occurs and when the Census Bureau creates 2020 census tabulation blocks, assigning a must hold to a planned block boundary feature will increase the likelihood that the feature will become a 2020 block boundary."

These are quite useful block boundaries. The railroad tracks from S Front Street to Union Street provide a hard boundary for residential areas on the southern edge of the city. The railroad tracks from State Street to Fairview Avenue, separates areas along Glenwood Boulevard from areas closer to Green Street.
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« Reply #48 on: May 20, 2016, 01:34:19 PM »

Hudson Narrative items 39-48





Item 39: Non-existent street.



Item 40: Non-existent street.



Item 41: Delete driveway.



Item 42: Non-existent street, extraneous statistical line.



Item 43: Extraneous statistical line.



Item 44: Use west track across trestle bridge at mouth of North Bay.



Item 45: Don't use railroad tracks as block boundary between Ferry Street and North Bay. Use escarpment instead.



Item 46: Define escarpment as block boundary, edge of developed residential area.



Item 47: Define boundaries of Promenade Hill Park.



Item 48: Extend Dock Street further west.
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« Reply #49 on: May 21, 2016, 05:18:18 AM »

Hudson Narrative Items 49-56





Item 49: Delete extraneous and badly placed stream.



Item 50: Delete extraneous statistical line.



Item 51: Correct alignment of Washington Street.



Item 52: Extend Mill Street further eastward, use as block boundary,



Item 53: Delete Mill Street at Lucille Drive, no longer exists.



Item 54: Add Old Dugway Road bike trail, use as block boundary.

Mill Street and the bike trail up the Dugway form part of a continuous bike route, which uses survace streets, such as Mill Street, the Dugway bike trail, and a zebra-line shoulder on Harry Howard Avenue. Since 2010, Mill Street has been extended eastward to provide access to new houses, the new Charles Williams Park, and the bikeway. The bikeway is built on the right-of-way of Dugway Avenue, which has existed since the 18th Century, and was used as a ward boundary beginning in 1815.



Item 55: Add stream from near N 2nd Street and Mill Street to Underhill Pond as block boundary.



Item 56: Add extension of N 3rd Street from its dead end north of Robinson Street to Mill Street as block boundary. Set N 3rd Street as block hold.

This has been a ward boundary continuously since 1815. The extension is in the right-of-way for N 3rd Street. It in effect is N 3rd Street but for lack of asphalt.
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