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Question: How worried are you than nominee Clinton will hand the election to Trump?
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« Reply #50 on: May 14, 2016, 01:13:38 AM »
« edited: May 14, 2016, 01:16:01 AM by ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ »

They'd rather lose with Hillary than win with Bernie.

Tell you what jfern...prove that Bernie is guaranteed to win and that Hillary is guaranteed to lose and I'll switch to supporting him. Smiley

Of course there are no guarantees, but all the evidence has Bernie doing much better.

What evidence? There is no evidence. Pointing to a poll is not evidence, especially when Bernie has not gone through media vetting or the GOP attacks that will surely come his way. How does Bernie defend himself against an ad that says "Bernie Sanders, a socialist, want to take away your private health insurance and raise taxes on all Americans," juxtaposed with videos of Bernie says these very things.

Fact is we don't know how Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders will hold up in the general. We can't predict the future. If polls were indicative of who will be President then in 2012 Romney should of been elected, in 2008 McCain should of been elected, in 2004, Dean should of been elected, in 2000 Gore should of been elected, in 1992, Perot should of been elected, in 1988 Hart should of been elected etc etc etc.

The Washington Post has been doing those attacks against Bernie for months now. Meanwhile, how many people know about the Clinton Foundation pay to play? Or that they take money through a Canadian foundation if they really don't want you to know who they took money from.

Obama usually led Romney by 1-5 points for the 2012 campaign. It was Obama +2 on May 13. The polls didn't really vary that much. So if this is like 2012, Bernie winning would be a sure thing.

As for 2008, what changed was the worst recession in 80 years helping Obama. Hillary has more to lose there if there's a recession before the election since she's more closely tied to Obama and the status quo.
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« Reply #51 on: May 14, 2016, 01:52:11 AM »

Not at all. The left always is in a perpetual state of expecting defeat, thereby welcoming it.

Hillary can easily defeat the buffoon.
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« Reply #52 on: May 14, 2016, 07:32:49 AM »

I don't much like Margaret Thatcher but she was right about one thing.  "This is no time to go wobbly."
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« Reply #53 on: May 14, 2016, 08:55:52 AM »

lolno

but thanks for the 'concern'
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« Reply #54 on: May 14, 2016, 12:03:46 PM »

She won't need to: http://reason.com/archives/2016/05/12/hillary-clintons-perfect-storm
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« Reply #55 on: May 14, 2016, 12:26:24 PM »

If anything, we should have know by now how misleading potential national polls can be.
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« Reply #56 on: May 14, 2016, 03:04:51 PM »

My days of making political predictions are over.  I never believed in a million years that Trump would be the Republican nominee, and I'm still in a state of dull, low-grade shock it's going to happen.  I'm not that concerned she is going to blow it at the moment, but if the FBI prosecutes her for the emails, all bets are off.

I can say one thing for sure.  If Trump is elected president, I'll become a permanent ex-pat.  I'm not kidding at all.  That would probably make some happy.  But I'll do it anyway. 
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« Reply #57 on: May 14, 2016, 04:02:32 PM »

I think that if Clinton wins, she'll be the worst campaigner in a long time to have won the Presidency and will have owed it completely to the current political reality.
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« Reply #58 on: May 14, 2016, 04:36:54 PM »

I can say one thing for sure.  If Trump is elected president, I'll become a permanent ex-pat.  I'm not kidding at all.  That would probably make some happy.  But I'll do it anyway. 

Same here. I've got family in BC, and gradually contemplating making the move on general principles, but if Trump wins, it goes from casually keeping an eye out for jobs in my field and tossing out the occasional resume to priority number one.
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« Reply #59 on: May 14, 2016, 07:32:36 PM »

I can say one thing for sure.  If Trump is elected president, I'll become a permanent ex-pat.  I'm not kidding at all.  That would probably make some happy.  But I'll do it anyway. 

Same here. I've got family in BC, and gradually contemplating making the move on general principles, but if Trump wins, it goes from casually keeping an eye out for jobs in my field and tossing out the occasional resume to priority number one.

We will be hiring for a job in Mexico next year and will be active on the US market. Perhaps, we will take some Americans at their word.
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« Reply #60 on: May 14, 2016, 09:53:58 PM »

A little bit.  I'm at least 70% sure Trump will lose to Hillary, but if that doesn't happen, it would be pretty awful.  It is concerning that Hillary doesn't generate much excitement compared to the cult following Trump has among his supporters.
Perhaps Hillary's supporters are average normal people who don't have much of an ax to grind, who aren't disgruntled Democrats that want to overthrow the system. Neither are they the young dreamers that fawn all over Bernie.

We are males and females of all colors and religious preferences, who appreciate listening to what Hillary has to say, in all seriousness. We don't need to follow her like cult members.

Hillary is not going to blow it because she is strong, very smart, articulate, has been around the political block many times, and she knows the score. She makes mistakes but we all do. At least she learns from them and moves forward.
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« Reply #61 on: May 14, 2016, 11:27:59 PM »

I'd be lying if I claimed not to be at least a bit concerned. The worst thing she can do is take victory for granted. That worked out so well for her in 2008... She's obviously the favorite, and should beat Trump easily, but she has to take him as a serious threat, because Trump's popularity isn't funny anymore.
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« Reply #62 on: May 15, 2016, 09:21:41 AM »

I can say one thing for sure.  If Trump is elected president, I'll become a permanent ex-pat.  I'm not kidding at all.  That would probably make some happy.  But I'll do it anyway. 

Same here. I've got family in BC, and gradually contemplating making the move on general principles, but if Trump wins, it goes from casually keeping an eye out for jobs in my field and tossing out the occasional resume to priority number one.

We will be hiring for a job in Mexico next year and will be active on the US market. Perhaps, we will take some Americans at their word.

Indeed, you should.  Smiley
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« Reply #63 on: May 15, 2016, 10:20:53 AM »

No but I'm scared that supporters of the Socialist independent party candidate who lies and misleads his teenage fans will go smoke a blunt instead of vote because the government didn't subsidize their gas money for them to go to the polling place.
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« Reply #64 on: May 15, 2016, 03:40:31 PM »

No but I'm scared that supporters of the Socialist independent party candidate who lies and misleads his teenage fans will go smoke a blunt instead of vote because the government didn't subsidize their gas money for them to go to the polling place.
LOL! Kinda harsh there....

I don't think that Hillary will blow it, but I think that Bernie is already blowing it by focusing on all Hillary's faults at this point, instead of just accepting the fact that Hillary is ahead and going with the flow by focusing on her strengths and talking his "fanatical fans" into supporting her.

There is more that Hil and Bern agree on than disagree, and Bern needs to knock that into the skulls of his young'uns.
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« Reply #65 on: May 15, 2016, 03:44:39 PM »

Barring another Mike Dukakis tank moment, I think Hillary's handlers are going to put her into a box and not let her out for the rest of the general election. Focus on nothing more than presenting an alternative to Trump and talk some economics.
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« Reply #66 on: February 04, 2017, 03:19:02 PM »

I'm not a Hillary supporter, but I'm afraid that she will prove to be a weak candidate (She's still fighting against a seventy-something Socialist muppet for Christ Sakes!) and that she will lose in a close election to Donald Trump.



Apparently I called the election back in May.

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« Reply #67 on: February 04, 2017, 05:08:04 PM »

Barring another Mike Dukakis tank moment, I think Hillary's handlers are going to put her into a box and not let her out for the rest of the general election. Focus on nothing more than presenting an alternative to Trump and talk some economics.

This was surprisingly prophetic.

She did nothing more at all besides be an alternative to Trump and give some lip-service to economics, and instead of a Dukakis Tank, it was James Comey and one letter.
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« Reply #68 on: February 04, 2017, 08:15:10 PM »

Barring another Mike Dukakis tank moment, I think Hillary's handlers are going to put her into a box and not let her out for the rest of the general election. Focus on nothing more than presenting an alternative to Trump and talk some economics.

This was surprisingly prophetic.

She did nothing more at all besides be an alternative to Trump and give some lip-service to economics, and instead of a Dukakis Tank, it was James Comey and one letter.


Yes, Yes, and Yes. She ran a terrible campaign. She was the one candidate who ended up losing to DONALD TRUMP.

I will curse her name until my last breath.
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« Reply #69 on: February 05, 2017, 12:28:04 AM »

Barring another Mike Dukakis tank moment, I think Hillary's handlers are going to put her into a box and not let her out for the rest of the general election. Focus on nothing more than presenting an alternative to Trump and talk some economics.

This was surprisingly prophetic.

She did nothing more at all besides be an alternative to Trump and give some lip-service to economics, and instead of a Dukakis Tank, it was James Comey and one letter.


Yes, Yes, and Yes. She ran a terrible campaign. She was the one candidate who ended up losing to DONALD TRUMP.

I will curse her name until my last breath.

In that case, it can't come soon enough.
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« Reply #70 on: February 05, 2017, 12:40:50 AM »
« Edited: February 05, 2017, 12:43:51 AM by Deblano »

Barring another Mike Dukakis tank moment, I think Hillary's handlers are going to put her into a box and not let her out for the rest of the general election. Focus on nothing more than presenting an alternative to Trump and talk some economics.

This was surprisingly prophetic.

She did nothing more at all besides be an alternative to Trump and give some lip-service to economics, and instead of a Dukakis Tank, it was James Comey and one letter.


Yes, Yes, and Yes. She ran a terrible campaign. She was the one candidate who ended up losing to DONALD TRUMP.

I will curse her name until my last breath.

In that case, it can't come soon enough.

Aww....are you upset that I insulted your candidate, so you wish for my death?

Go pound sand. Maybe typing "yaaaaasssss queen" for the 9000th time will make you feel better and distract you from the fact that your candidate lost to Donald Trump of all people. I have zero sympathy for Hillary. Zero. Nada. Zip. I don't care what the Clinton Cultists think about me.
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« Reply #71 on: February 06, 2017, 01:26:09 PM »

Barring another Mike Dukakis tank moment, I think Hillary's handlers are going to put her into a box and not let her out for the rest of the general election. Focus on nothing more than presenting an alternative to Trump and talk some economics.

This was surprisingly prophetic.

She did nothing more at all besides be an alternative to Trump and give some lip-service to economics, and instead of a Dukakis Tank, it was James Comey and one letter.


Yes, Yes, and Yes. She ran a terrible campaign. She was the one candidate who ended up losing to DONALD TRUMP.

You don't know that. You don't know how other candidates would have done against Trump.

Yes I'm sure you can come up for some arguments why the other Democratic candidates would have beaten Trump, and I'm sure I can come up with some too...just like I can come up for some why they would  have done even worse. The fact is, we will never know how other candidates would have done.
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« Reply #72 on: February 06, 2017, 01:39:38 PM »

Barring another Mike Dukakis tank moment, I think Hillary's handlers are going to put her into a box and not let her out for the rest of the general election. Focus on nothing more than presenting an alternative to Trump and talk some economics.

This was surprisingly prophetic.

She did nothing more at all besides be an alternative to Trump and give some lip-service to economics, and instead of a Dukakis Tank, it was James Comey and one letter.


Yes, Yes, and Yes. She ran a terrible campaign. She was the one candidate who ended up losing to DONALD TRUMP.

You don't know that. You don't know how other candidates would have done against Trump.

Yes I'm sure you can come up for some arguments why the other Democratic candidates would have beaten Trump, and I'm sure I can come up with some too...just like I can come up for some why they would  have done even worse. The fact is, we will never know how other candidates would have done.

-No; Bernie and Joe Biden would both have won. Trump was an exceptionally good candidate for some sections of the country (e.g., Eastern Ohio), but he was hardly unbeatable, and was an exceptionally bad candidate for the elite areas. With a more credible Democratic opponent, he could have been beaten.
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« Reply #73 on: February 06, 2017, 03:10:23 PM »

-No; Bernie and Joe Biden would both have won. Trump was an exceptionally good candidate for some sections of the country (e.g., Eastern Ohio), but he was hardly unbeatable, and was an exceptionally bad candidate for the elite areas. With a more credible Democratic opponent, he could have been beaten.

You saw where I said that arguments exist that other democrats would have won? That I could come up with some myself? So you provided one. But you saying it doesn't make it true. The point is we won't know and can never know if it would have played out that way. It's just not as cut and dry as you're making it sound. And you stating matter-of-factly that Sanders and Biden would have won, doesn't make it true. Tongue
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« Reply #74 on: February 06, 2017, 03:23:54 PM »

I'll probably be castigated for this, but this election just shows how large sections of the country are so misogynistic that they'd rather elect Donald Trump than Hillary Clinton. The good old West Coast, New England, urban Northeast, Chicagoland, Colorado, and a few islands here and there (Miami, Asheville, Austin) avoided it. These areas are, sadly, a decided minority.
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