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Question: How worried are you than nominee Clinton will hand the election to Trump?
#1
Not at all.
 
#2
A little concerned.
 
#3
Very worried.
 
#4
Utterly terrified.
 
#5
Happy! (Not a Hillary supporters.)
 
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Kalwejt
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« on: May 13, 2016, 02:50:58 PM »

As a reluctant Clinton supporter in GE yes, I'm concerned about this possibility, which many Democrats seem to foolishly disregard. Not that it's the first time they do.
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« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2016, 02:51:54 PM »

Yes, of course I am concerned.  I would have prefered a stronger candidate, such as, say, Cuomo. The cost of failure is too high in this case.


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« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2016, 03:10:55 PM »

Based on the current environment, I'm still confident she will win. What worries me is that we may be blowing a rare opportunity to score a landslide win and make major gains in both Congress and state legislatures across the country. Democrats need to recover, and this is a golden opportunity that may be wasted by a polarizing and generally unliked candidate. I support her, and really don't buy into a lot of the tripe thrown at her, but she is not even close to my first choice.

But, I suppose she could end up winning big anyway, but that idea seems tenuous at best.

I'm sceptical about any candidate winning "big", at least in terms of popular vote. The country is polarized politically and, let's be honest, both Hillary and Trump are polarizing figures on their own. Right now a narrow PV victory (possibly with Obamaeqsue EV victory) for Clinton is the most likely possibility.

But, again, there's so much time till November. She can screw up big time like Dukakis in 1988.
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« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2016, 03:13:00 PM »

Yes, of course I am concerned.  I would have prefered a stronger candidate, such as, say, Cuomo. The cost of failure is too high in this case.

wat?

Thanks for bolding the part I think is important. Cuomo would have been stronger: he is a better politician.

You mean better in doing politics than Hillary? I agree. However, I can't see him as a stronger nationwide candidate.

Also, the Atlas would have a collective meltdown Wink (and I'm one of those who consider hatred toward Cuomo rather overblown).
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« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2016, 03:29:31 PM »

If I say yes, will I get relentlessly castigated for it?

Well, Beet, you do have a record of hysterical predictions Wink
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« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2016, 03:35:50 PM »

I'm sceptical about any candidate winning "big", at least in terms of popular vote. The country is polarized politically and, let's be honest, both Hillary and Trump are polarizing figures on their own. Right now a narrow PV victory (possibly with Obamaeqsue EV victory) for Clinton is the most likely possibility.

But, again, there's so much time till November. She can screw up big time like Dukakis in 1988.

You are right that we are hyper-polarized right now, but that doesn't exclude the possibility of a landslide. It may minimize the size of one, though. I think a 10pt win by any measure today would be a landslide, especially since Libertarians will take even more points from Trump.

The way I see it is, Trump is going to lose non-white voters by even larger margins than Romney's 17%. I don't believe he will get Romney numbers among whites, either. Not based on how terrible his behavior and image is right now, or the fact that he is now flip flopping on a daily basis. Those two factors, to me, make a close election impossible. If Hillary were to get Obama's vote shares from 2008 (an actual possibility), it would be a >55% win. That's how badly demographics are hurting Republicans.

This is, of course, good point, but Republican successes in midterm years of 2010 and 2014 shows things may go differently. Of course, these were not presidential years, but all depends on turnout, especially among specific groups. There is a possibility of Hillary screwing things badly and, well, suffering from this. And, since it comes down to a couple of key swing states, even when demographics heavily favored Republicans, Kerry would have been President with a little just swing in Ohio. Too many wild cards here.

I may be oversceptical (just my nature Wink ), but I just wouldn't bet on anything now.
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« Reply #6 on: May 13, 2016, 03:45:51 PM »

I may be oversceptical (just my nature Wink ), but I just wouldn't bet on anything now.

I am going to be crying come election day if Trump wins, wondering how I could be so wrong. I may or may not have invested too much faith in my own prognostications here, albeit informed predictions, anyhow.

Hopefully, it won't come to that.
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« Reply #7 on: May 13, 2016, 04:48:05 PM »

Everybody know I'm a strong Bernie supporter, but I'm legitimately scared of the possibility of Trump winning this election. I may not be an American, but given all that happened in my backyard since Crimea, I would be very concerned about Trump dealing with Putin. Hillary's record as SoS doesn't impress me, to put it mildly, but come on...
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« Reply #8 on: May 14, 2016, 12:26:24 PM »

If anything, we should have know by now how misleading potential national polls can be.
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