NV Democratic State Convention

[Ebsy]

You lost a delegate you weren't supposed to have in the first place. Who cares?

[Maxwell]

You lost a delegate you weren't supposed to have in the first place. Who cares?

[dspNY]

This is absolute chaos & a complete murder of democracy. This thing is going to court & I doubt if this holds.

Roberta Gustave Lange, a Clinton supporter and Chair of the Democratic State Party, changed the rules without a 2/3rds majority quorum

Bernie had around like 500 more delegates coming in after the Clark county switch & many more alternates. They allowed the Clinton people to come in first, then mid-way by the time bernie people were coming in, they closed it & counted.

Can't believe that Trump may turn out to be a more democratic president than Hillary

No Shadows, your side attempted a coup to try and subvert the will of the people when they originally caucused (Hillary won). This is how undemocratic revolutionaries behave: if they lose the vote, they try to win by authoritarian means, bullying, and mob rule. You Bernie people are no different

[Joe Republic]

I just overheard a woman screaming that Bernie has been winning 60% of the primary vote, so this is all a huge injustice and a fix.

[Joe Republic]

I can safely say that Shadows' version of events is completely made up.  But what do I know, I'm just sitting here in the convention while he's in India so I'm sure he has a better handle on what's going on.

[Maxwell]

I just overheard a woman screaming that Bernie has been winning 60% of the primary vote, so this is all a huge injustice and a fix.

I mean, she'd be right if she was only talking about Vermont and New Hampshire, the only two primary states Bernie has ever crossed the 60% line.

[Lyin' Steve]

Shadows,
This is Atlas, not /r/sandersforpresident.  Please don't just copy and paste comments from Reddit onto Atlas.  We're better than that (except you).
Also, this is such an embarrassing incident for the Bernie people.  If you're wondering why Hillary and the DNC are trying to keep a proportional amount of these people from having roles in Hillary's convention, this is why.  It's just chaos, mass obnoxiousness and time-wasting self-righteous rule-twiddling as they try to accomplish their futile goal of getting 1 or 2 more delegates from a state they lost in a race where they're behind by 300 delegates.

This isn't the Constitutional Convention or Bretton Woods.  Nothing of consequence happens at any of these events, including the convention itself, other than ultimately making Hillary Clinton the nominee.  There's no point dragging your feet and maximizing the friction and unpleasantness for everyone.  The rest of the party isn't trying to "disenfranchise you."  They just want these trivial, ceremonial processes to go as smoothly as possible so they can go home.  Throwing a mass temper-tantrum and arguing about minutiae in the rules that won't change anything is a quick way to make everyone really really hate you, and in service of what?

[BundouYMB]

It's no surprise Sanders supporters will do everything they can to try to stop or circumvent elections. Their candidate tends to fair terribly in them.

[IceSpear]

You lost a delegate you weren't supposed to have in the first place. Who cares?

Especially since it will be irrelevant regardless, lol.

You guys can calm down, Bernie's paragraph in the history books is already safely assured. Nobody will care if he loses by 300 delegates or 298 delegates.

[Fusionmunster]

I just overheard a woman screaming that Bernie has been winning 60% of the primary vote, so this is all a huge injustice and a fix.

I kinda love hearing how Clinton supporters are the uninformed ones yet Sander's supporters are more likely to spew nonsense like this as facts.

[Joe Republic]

Roberta Gustave Lange, a Clinton supporter and Chair of the Democratic State Party, changed the rules without a 2/3rds majority quorum

Meanwhile, what happened in actual reality is that a rules committee of 3 Hillary supporters and 3 Bernie supporters jointly created the temporary rules for the convention some time ago.  The vote to change the temporary rules to some other set of permanent rules required a 2/3 majority, which of course failed, so the temporary rules became permanent.

Please don't believe what you read on r/Sandersforpresident

[Shadows]

Clinton hacks are known to openly lie to make Bernie people look bad. It is not about 1 or 2 delegates, it is about democracy & people in line not being allowed to vote.

Either ways, this means sh** in the final count, Hillary won anyways, she had a huge lead. But when you screw your opponent & kill democracy to get your way, it is not a great thing. I mean she was winning by 300, her people didn't need to do this. Also the hillary supporters have shown a more deplorable side than trump supporters.

[Lyin' Steve]

You lost a delegate you weren't supposed to have in the first place. Who cares?

Especially since it will be irrelevant regardless, lol.

You guys can calm down, Bernie's paragraph in the history books is already safely assured. Nobody will care if he loses by 300 delegates or 298 delegates.

lol, he won't get a paragraph.  Gary Hart doesn't even show up in history books and he came a whole hell of a lot closer than Bernie.

[Ebsy]

Beating your opponent by the most votes (or delegates) possible is how you win in an election.

[Shadows]

Sanders supporters were angry over a voice vote that adopted a set of temporary convention rules as the permanent rules, according to the Las Vegas Sun.
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/279930-nevada-dem-convention-devolves-into-chaos

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[IceSpear]

Clinton hacks are known to openly lie to make Bernie people look bad. It is not about 1 or 2 delegates, it is about democracy & people in line not being allowed to vote.

Either ways, this means sh** in the final count, Hillary won anyways, she had a huge lead. But when you screw your opponent & kill democracy to get your way, it is not a great thing. I mean she was winning by 300, her people didn't need to do this. Also the hillary supporters have shown a more deplorable side than trump supporters.

But Hillary won the actual vote. Everything that followed has already been an extreme perversion of democracy, moreso than caucuses inherently are by having no secret ballot, one of the cornerstones of democracy.

Imagine if a world leader in any other country was elected by caucuses. They'd be laughed at by the international community.

[Ebsy]

Sanders supporters were angry over a voice vote that adopted a set of temporary convention rules as the permanent rules, according to the Las Vegas Sun.
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/279930-nevada-dem-convention-devolves-into-chaos

Yeah, they lost the voice vote since they are in the minority. Not hard to figure out.

[Maxwell]

Golly I hope he gets mad enough to actually vote downballot!

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I, personally, am legitimately glad that Shadows can't vote.

[dax00]

What you think is a righteous outcome doesn't justify a blatant affront to democracy. They voted to change the rules 30 minutes before scheduled, before registration was complete, and had stuff "carry" without 2/3 of the voice vote.

It's not about the 2 delegates, it's about the principle. And Hillary supporters today showed a glaring lack of respectful democratic principle.

There are rules. The rules say the whittling down of delegates can change the statewide delegate allocation. Perhaps it's not the best rule, but it was the rule in place at the time, and it should be respected for the equity of all involved parties.

[Lyin' Steve]

Roberta Gustave Lange, a Clinton supporter and Chair of the Democratic State Party, changed the rules without a 2/3rds majority quorum

Meanwhile, what happened in actual reality is that a rules committee of 3 Hillary supporters and 3 Bernie supporters jointly created the temporary rules for the convention some time ago.  The vote to change the temporary rules to some other set of permanent rules required a 2/3 majority, which of course failed, so the temporary rules became permanent.

Please don't believe what you read on r/Sandersforpresident

Clinton hacks are known to openly lie to make Bernie people look bad. It is not about 1 or 2 delegates, it is about democracy & people in line not being allowed to vote.

Either ways, this means sh** in the final count, Hillary won anyways, she had a huge lead. But when you screw your opponent & kill democracy to get your way, it is not a great thing. I mean she was winning by 300, her people didn't need to do this. Also the hillary supporters have shown a more deplorable side than trump supporters.

This is the kind of thing that worries me about the general.  People on the outside have no idea what's going on in Sandersworld and just assume they'll all come vote for Hillary because "of course they will, Hillary is pretty close to Sanders and Trump is a maniac, it's just like Clinton in 2008."  But within Sandersworld they just lie to themselves again and again and have this whole alternate history of the election, that's completely fictional, where Hillary cheated and destroyed democracy to knife fight her way to a nomination that was rightfully Sanders'.  If you live in a bubble where the lie is just repeated over and over and over and over and over again you end up believing it and making it a core part of your identity, especially if you're one of these young kids who just got into politics.

It's just like the far right wing in the 90s.  The far right created this bubble of fiction where the Clintons were murdering people and stealing billions of dollars and every bad thing that happened was because of some horrible crime they'd committed.  Meanwhile the Clintons were just normal people for the most part except for their open marriage and some sleazy things they did to raise money like selling white house furniture or renting out the Lincoln bedroom.  Now once again we have it where Hillary is just a normal candidate for the most part but her opponents live in a total fantasy land where she's the queen of darkness.

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What you think is a righteous outcome doesn't justify a blatant affront to democracy. They voted to change the rules 30 minutes before scheduled, before registration was complete, and had stuff "carry" without 2/3 of the voice vote.

It's not about the 2 delegates, it's about the principle. And Hillary supporters today showed a glaring lack of respectful democratic principle.

There are rules. The rules say the whittling down of delegates can change the statewide delegate allocation. Perhaps it's not the best rule, but it was the rule in place at the time, and it should be respected for the equity of all involved parties.

Please stop acting like a fool, you insane conspiracy theorist.

[Joe Republic]

Sanders supporters were angry over a voice vote that adopted a set of temporary convention rules as the permanent rules, according to the Las Vegas Sun.
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/279930-nevada-dem-convention-devolves-into-chaos

And as I told you, as somebody in the same room when it happened, changing the rules to whatever the Bernie campaign wanted them changed to required a 2/3 vote.  The voice vote sounded pretty evenly divided to me, so it failed.

[Maxwell]

To anyone talking about muh democracy:



53% Clinton
47% Sanders