NV Democratic State Convention

[JerryArkansas]

I'm not saying that Bernie is actually or should actually be winning. I'm saying that many Sanders supporters feel like the system is stacked against them, and changes in the delegate count that favor Clinton (even if these changes are just reverting the delegate count to what it originally was) are seen as more evidence that Clinton is "stealing" the nomination. Is it rational? No. Is it important to understand how they feel? I'd say yes. These voters are the kind Hillary has to win over in the GE. I've accepted that Hillary has won the nomination, so I fail to see how this makes me a whining kid.

OK, but saying on the internet this stuff is not going to do a damn thing.  It looks like whining.  I get it, some of them feel wronged in some way.  They can get over it.  Life for one thing isn't fair.  They are not going to win everything in life.  If they can't understand that, they can screw off.  If they want to throw the election to Trump, they can face the damn consequences.

[Lyin' Steve]

Hillary won in February 13 delegates to 10. That's fine. I have no qualms with that. Even though the NV Delegate Selection Plan clearly stated that caucus was non-binding in bold font, it is sufficiently ambiguous for me to let that go.

However, Bernie won April. Today, Hillary supporters tried to wrest back in an underhanded fashion the delegates they thought they had rightfully earned.

The popular vote of the state was for Hillary Clinton.  So it is ok for them to overturn the will of the people of Nevada.  How is god's green earth is that fair, or democratic.  Your the one who is trying to steal this nomination, not Hillary and her camp.

This straw man is getting old. The caucus system has multiple tiers, which vote independently of each other.

lol, this from a Trump supporter?  I"m sure you had the same attitude three weeks ago when Cruz was stealing all his delegates at these little conventions.

On that note, as bad as caucuses are, at least Democrats don't have to deal with states outright suspending democracy and having party hacks assign the delegates. Yuck. The media's lack of outrage for this and instead cheerleading Cruz's campaign for being so "organized and disciplined!" and "knowing how to play the shadow game!" was disgusting.

Yeah, I wonder how much of this Sanders stuff is just riding the Trump train.  The allegations of corruption and anti-democratic theft have really gotten out of hand.  The difference of course is that Trump had an actual case.

[IceSpear]

Hillary won in February 13 delegates to 10. That's fine. I have no qualms with that. Even though the NV Delegate Selection Plan clearly stated that caucus was non-binding in bold font, it is sufficiently ambiguous for me to let that go.

However, Bernie won April. Today, Hillary supporters tried to wrest back in an underhanded fashion the delegates they thought they had rightfully earned.

The popular vote of the state was for Hillary Clinton.  So it is ok for them to overturn the will of the people of Nevada.  How is god's green earth is that fair, or democratic.  Your the one who is trying to steal this nomination, not Hillary and her camp.

This straw man is getting old. The caucus system has multiple tiers, which vote independently of each other.

lol, this from a Trump supporter?  I"m sure you had the same attitude three weeks ago when Cruz was stealing all his delegates at these little conventions.

I don't think Dax has any concrete ideology. He seems to just be a ridiculous Ron Paul '12/Bernie Sanders '16 conspiracy theorist type.

Are you implying a Ron Paul 2008, Ron Paul 2012, Bernie Sanders 2016, Donald Trump 2016 voter is not ideologically consistent?! Reddit would like to have a word with you.

[Xing]

I'm not saying that Bernie is actually or should actually be winning. I'm saying that many Sanders supporters feel like the system is stacked against them, and changes in the delegate count that favor Clinton (even if these changes are just reverting the delegate count to what it originally was) are seen as more evidence that Clinton is "stealing" the nomination. Is it rational? No. Is it important to understand how they feel? I'd say yes. These voters are the kind Hillary has to win over in the GE. I've accepted that Hillary has won the nomination, so I fail to see how this makes me a whining kid.

OK, but saying on the internet this stuff is not going to do a damn thing.  It looks like whining.  I get it, some of them feel wronged in some way.  They can get over it.  Life for one thing isn't fair.  They are not going to win everything in life.  If they can't understand that, they can screw off.  If they want to throw the election to Trump, they can face the damn consequences.

The problem is that all of us will face the damn consequences if they throw the election to Trump.

[dax00]

Are you implying a Ron Paul 2008, Ron Paul 2012, Bernie Sanders 2016, Donald Trump 2016 voter is not ideologically consistent?! Reddit would like to have a word with you.

For the record, I was Ron Paul '08, Jill Stein '12, Sanders/Trump '16.

My ideology is stratifying. It does not conform to either the Democratic or Republican platforms in weak resignation.

[JerryArkansas]

I'm not saying that Bernie is actually or should actually be winning. I'm saying that many Sanders supporters feel like the system is stacked against them, and changes in the delegate count that favor Clinton (even if these changes are just reverting the delegate count to what it originally was) are seen as more evidence that Clinton is "stealing" the nomination. Is it rational? No. Is it important to understand how they feel? I'd say yes. These voters are the kind Hillary has to win over in the GE. I've accepted that Hillary has won the nomination, so I fail to see how this makes me a whining kid.

OK, but saying on the internet this stuff is not going to do a damn thing.  It looks like whining.  I get it, some of them feel wronged in some way.  They can get over it.  Life for one thing isn't fair.  They are not going to win everything in life.  If they can't understand that, they can screw off.  If they want to throw the election to Trump, they can face the damn consequences.

The problem is that all of us will face the damn consequences if they throw the election to Trump.

Yeah, but it wouldn't be anyone's fault but them.  If they want to throw this away, I know many of us will make them the guilt for doing that. 

[IceSpear]

Are you implying a Ron Paul 2008, Ron Paul 2012, Bernie Sanders 2016, Donald Trump 2016 voter is not ideologically consistent?! Reddit would like to have a word with you.

For the record, I was Ron Paul '08, Jill Stein '12, Sanders/Trump '16.

My ideology is stratifying. It does not conform to either the Democratic or Republican platforms in weak resignation.

Exactly how can one support both a libertarian and a socialist?

[dax00]

Are you implying a Ron Paul 2008, Ron Paul 2012, Bernie Sanders 2016, Donald Trump 2016 voter is not ideologically consistent?! Reddit would like to have a word with you.

For the record, I was Ron Paul '08, Jill Stein '12, Sanders/Trump '16.

My ideology is stratifying. It does not conform to either the Democratic or Republican platforms in weak resignation.

Exactly how can one support both a libertarian and a socialist?

(Very left)-libertarian

[Landslide Lyndon]

Are you implying a Ron Paul 2008, Ron Paul 2012, Bernie Sanders 2016, Donald Trump 2016 voter is not ideologically consistent?! Reddit would like to have a word with you.

For the record, I was Ron Paul '08, Jill Stein '12, Sanders/Trump '16.

My ideology is stratifying. It does not conform to either the Democratic or Republican platforms in weak resignation.

Exactly how can one support both a libertarian and a socialist?

(Very left)-libertarian

Is that similar to right-wing communist?

[IceSpear]

Are you implying a Ron Paul 2008, Ron Paul 2012, Bernie Sanders 2016, Donald Trump 2016 voter is not ideologically consistent?! Reddit would like to have a word with you.

For the record, I was Ron Paul '08, Jill Stein '12, Sanders/Trump '16.

My ideology is stratifying. It does not conform to either the Democratic or Republican platforms in weak resignation.

Exactly how can one support both a libertarian and a socialist?

(Very left)-libertarian

And Trump's right wing nationalism with an authoritarian streak fits in where?

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God dammit, now they're both back.

[dax00]

And Trump's right wing nationalism with an authoritarian streak fits in where?

I have paleocon tendencies (minus the religious bit).

[Joe Republic]

We've now begun the arduous task of electing the party's executive committee, then the various categories of national delegates.

The final delegate count has been delayed because there were still 2 attention whores uncommitted delegates, who must realign to one of the two candidates.  They were given half an hour to do so, otherwise they will be taken out back and shot*.


Party bylaw 175b-1A.

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Sanders supporters were angry over a voice vote that adopted a set of temporary convention rules as the permanent rules, according to the Las Vegas Sun.
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/279930-nevada-dem-convention-devolves-into-chaos

Yeah, they lost the voice vote since they are in the minority. Not hard to figure out.

It was before all the delegates are seated. Congrats on helping Trump by pissing off Bernie supporters  .

[Landslide Lyndon]

Sanders supporters were angry over a voice vote that adopted a set of temporary convention rules as the permanent rules, according to the Las Vegas Sun.
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/279930-nevada-dem-convention-devolves-into-chaos

Yeah, they lost the voice vote since they are in the minority. Not hard to figure out.

It was before all the delegates are seated. Congrats on helping Trump by pissing off Bernie supporters  .

You were born pissed off, so not much damage done.

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Sanders supporters were angry over a voice vote that adopted a set of temporary convention rules as the permanent rules, according to the Las Vegas Sun.
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/279930-nevada-dem-convention-devolves-into-chaos

Yeah, they lost the voice vote since they are in the minority. Not hard to figure out.

It was before all the delegates are seated. Congrats on helping Trump by pissing off Bernie supporters  .

Jfern, you, my friend, are an amazing example of Poe's Law. Sometimes, you say things so ridiculously stupid that I can't help but think you're joking. But then I remember that you're the one who supported Obama all through 2008 and then immediately called him a moderate hero when he took office.

[Joe Republic]

Sanders supporters were angry over a voice vote that adopted a set of temporary convention rules as the permanent rules, according to the Las Vegas Sun.
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/279930-nevada-dem-convention-devolves-into-chaos

Yeah, they lost the voice vote since they are in the minority. Not hard to figure out.

It was before all the delegates are seated. Congrats on helping Trump by pissing off Bernie supporters  .

The vote took place half an hour after the deadline for delegates to join the line to register for their credentials.  There were barely any lines this time (unlike the county convention, this entire convention has been run relatively efficiently).  So why would it take more than thirty minutes for Bernie delegates to register and take their seats?

Plus, nobody has anything close to a 2/3 majority in here, so I've no idea what you're complaining about.

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Sanders supporters were angry over a voice vote that adopted a set of temporary convention rules as the permanent rules, according to the Las Vegas Sun.
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/279930-nevada-dem-convention-devolves-into-chaos

Yeah, they lost the voice vote since they are in the minority. Not hard to figure out.

It was before all the delegates are seated. Congrats on helping Trump by pissing off Bernie supporters  .

Jfern, you, my friend, are an amazing example of Poe's Law. Sometimes, you say things so ridiculously stupid that I can't help but think you're joking. But then I remember that you're the one who supported Obama all through 2008 and then immediately called him a moderate hero when he took office. I'll admit that I was hookwinked by Obama's fraudulent campaign.

Well, he did keep on Robert Gates and Timothy Geithner, immediately showing that "change we can believe in" was just a slogan. I probably didn't criticize him enough before the 2010 election showed that his moderate heroism didn't inspire midterm voters.

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Sanders supporters were angry over a voice vote that adopted a set of temporary convention rules as the permanent rules, according to the Las Vegas Sun.
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/279930-nevada-dem-convention-devolves-into-chaos

Yeah, they lost the voice vote since they are in the minority. Not hard to figure out.

It was before all the delegates are seated. Congrats on helping Trump by pissing off Bernie supporters  .

The vote took place half an hour after the deadline for delegates to join the line to register for their credentials.  There were barely any lines this time (unlike the county convention, this entire convention has been run relatively efficiently).  So why would it take more than thirty minutes for Bernie delegates to register and take their seats?

Plus, nobody has anything close to a 2/3 majority in here, so I've no idea what you're complaining about.

The vote was a simple majority, and Hillary had slightly more delegates, with not all seated. There wasn't supposed to be a vote at that point.

This whole thing is incredibly penny wise and pound foolish by the Hillary campaign. They might get a handful more delegates because of this, but she was probably going to be the nominee anyways, and this has left many Bernie supporters with such a vendetta against her that they'll even be supporting Trump. The Hillary campaign has shown time and time again that they don't care about reaching out to Bernie supporters. They truly hate them.

[Joe Republic]

Uh, no, the vote to change the temporary rules into whatever the Bernie side wanted to change them to required a 2/3 vote.  Where are you getting your facts from?  I'm literally sitting here in the convention right now.

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Uh, no, the vote to change the temporary rules into whatever the Bernie side wanted to change them to required a 2/3 vote.  Where are you getting your facts from?  I'm literally sitting here in the convention right now.

What? It was the Hillary side that had the rules changed.

[IceSpear]

Sanders supporters were angry over a voice vote that adopted a set of temporary convention rules as the permanent rules, according to the Las Vegas Sun.
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/279930-nevada-dem-convention-devolves-into-chaos

Yeah, they lost the voice vote since they are in the minority. Not hard to figure out.

It was before all the delegates are seated. Congrats on helping Trump by pissing off Bernie supporters  .

The vote took place half an hour after the deadline for delegates to join the line to register for their credentials.  There were barely any lines this time (unlike the county convention, this entire convention has been run relatively efficiently).  So why would it take more than thirty minutes for Bernie delegates to register and take their seats?

Plus, nobody has anything close to a 2/3 majority in here, so I've no idea what you're complaining about.

The vote was a simple majority, and Hillary had slightly more delegates, with not all seated. There wasn't supposed to be a vote at that point.

This whole thing is incredibly penny wise and pound foolish by the Hillary campaign. They might get a handful more delegates because of this, but she was probably going to be the nominee anyways, and this has left many Bernie supporters with such a vendetta against her that they'll even be supporting Trump. The Hillary campaign has shown time and time again that they don't care about reaching out to Bernie supporters. They truly hate them.

"probably"?

[Landslide Lyndon]

The fact that jfern believes his own set of facts instead of those reported by somebody who is literally in the convention shows that truthiness isn't a concept restricted to right-wing nuts.

[Joe Republic]

Uh, no, the vote to change the temporary rules into whatever the Bernie side wanted to change them to required a 2/3 vote.  Where are you getting your facts from?  I'm literally sitting here in the convention right now.

What? It was the Hillary side that had the rules changed.

Wrong again.  The temporary rules were drawn up by a committee of 3 Hillary supporters and 3 Bernie supporters.

That wasn't good enough for the Bernie side, who wanted to change them to who knows what else, but needed a 2/3 majority to do so.  They failed, obviously, so the temporary rules were adopted as permanent.

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Uh, no, the vote to change the temporary rules into whatever the Bernie side wanted to change them to required a 2/3 vote.  Where are you getting your facts from?  I'm literally sitting here in the convention right now.

What? It was the Hillary side that had the rules changed.

Wrong again.  The temporary rules were drawn up by a committee of 3 Hillary supporters and 3 Bernie supporters.

That wasn't good enough for the Bernie side, who wanted to change them to who knows what else, but needed a 2/3 majority to do so.  They failed, obviously, so the temporary rules were adopted as permanent.

Stop lying. The rules committee never agreed to the rules. The adoption of the rules was a total fraud. We are so done with this corrupt party.

https://twitter.com/meganmesserly/status/731539477785546752