NV Democratic State Convention

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Sanders supporters were angry over a voice vote that adopted a set of temporary convention rules as the permanent rules, according to the Las Vegas Sun.
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/279930-nevada-dem-convention-devolves-into-chaos

Yeah, they lost the voice vote since they are in the minority. Not hard to figure out.

It was before all the delegates are seated. Congrats on helping Trump by pissing off Bernie supporters  .

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Sanders supporters were angry over a voice vote that adopted a set of temporary convention rules as the permanent rules, according to the Las Vegas Sun.
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/279930-nevada-dem-convention-devolves-into-chaos

Yeah, they lost the voice vote since they are in the minority. Not hard to figure out.

It was before all the delegates are seated. Congrats on helping Trump by pissing off Bernie supporters  .

Jfern, you, my friend, are an amazing example of Poe's Law. Sometimes, you say things so ridiculously stupid that I can't help but think you're joking. But then I remember that you're the one who supported Obama all through 2008 and then immediately called him a moderate hero when he took office. I'll admit that I was hookwinked by Obama's fraudulent campaign.

Well, he did keep on Robert Gates and Timothy Geithner, immediately showing that "change we can believe in" was just a slogan. I probably didn't criticize him enough before the 2010 election showed that his moderate heroism didn't inspire midterm voters.

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Sanders supporters were angry over a voice vote that adopted a set of temporary convention rules as the permanent rules, according to the Las Vegas Sun.
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/279930-nevada-dem-convention-devolves-into-chaos

Yeah, they lost the voice vote since they are in the minority. Not hard to figure out.

It was before all the delegates are seated. Congrats on helping Trump by pissing off Bernie supporters  .

The vote took place half an hour after the deadline for delegates to join the line to register for their credentials.  There were barely any lines this time (unlike the county convention, this entire convention has been run relatively efficiently).  So why would it take more than thirty minutes for Bernie delegates to register and take their seats?

Plus, nobody has anything close to a 2/3 majority in here, so I've no idea what you're complaining about.

The vote was a simple majority, and Hillary had slightly more delegates, with not all seated. There wasn't supposed to be a vote at that point.

This whole thing is incredibly penny wise and pound foolish by the Hillary campaign. They might get a handful more delegates because of this, but she was probably going to be the nominee anyways, and this has left many Bernie supporters with such a vendetta against her that they'll even be supporting Trump. The Hillary campaign has shown time and time again that they don't care about reaching out to Bernie supporters. They truly hate them.

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Uh, no, the vote to change the temporary rules into whatever the Bernie side wanted to change them to required a 2/3 vote.  Where are you getting your facts from?  I'm literally sitting here in the convention right now.

What? It was the Hillary side that had the rules changed.

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Uh, no, the vote to change the temporary rules into whatever the Bernie side wanted to change them to required a 2/3 vote.  Where are you getting your facts from?  I'm literally sitting here in the convention right now.

What? It was the Hillary side that had the rules changed.

Wrong again.  The temporary rules were drawn up by a committee of 3 Hillary supporters and 3 Bernie supporters.

That wasn't good enough for the Bernie side, who wanted to change them to who knows what else, but needed a 2/3 majority to do so.  They failed, obviously, so the temporary rules were adopted as permanent.

Stop lying. The rules committee never agreed to the rules. The adoption of the rules was a total fraud. We are so done with this corrupt party.

https://twitter.com/meganmesserly/status/731539477785546752

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This is so painful to watch. Here we have someone who is actually at the convention and who has no reason or incentive to lie to a bunch of internet posters about what is actually going on, and someone else who is getting worked into a frenzy by a bunch of fellow delusional perpetual-outragers huffing and puffing to each other on Twitter and Reddit and who have likely altered the actual story a half-dozen times as it passes from one irrational actor to the next across the interwebs.

Screw off. Joe lied when he said the rules committee agreed to any rules.

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This is so painful to watch. Here we have someone who is actually at the convention and who has no reason or incentive to lie to a bunch of internet posters about what is actually going on, and someone else who is getting worked into a frenzy by a bunch of fellow delusional perpetual-outragers huffing and puffing to each other on Twitter and Reddit and who have likely altered the actual story a half-dozen times as it passes from one irrational actor to the next across the interwebs.

Screw off. Joe lied when he said the rules committee agreed to any rules.

Who should we believe, Jfern and his twitter sources or Joe who was actually there?

And regardless, the delegates that showed up all got counted so im not sure why a debate about a rule change matters anyways.

Nope, 64 Bernie delegates got excluded.

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This is so painful to watch. Here we have someone who is actually at the convention and who has no reason or incentive to lie to a bunch of internet posters about what is actually going on, and someone else who is getting worked into a frenzy by a bunch of fellow delusional perpetual-outragers huffing and puffing to each other on Twitter and Reddit and who have likely altered the actual story a half-dozen times as it passes from one irrational actor to the next across the interwebs.

Screw off. Joe lied when he said the rules committee agreed to any rules.

Who should we believe, Jfern and his twitter sources or Joe who was actually there?

And regardless, the delegates that showed up all got counted so im not sure why a debate about a rule change matters anyways.

Nope, 64 Bernie delegates got excluded.

Gonna need you to back that up.

What would be an acceptable proof, since a tweet from a reporter isn't enough for you guys?

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Here's the vote. The nos sound louder. I believe it needed a 2/3rds majority to pass.

https://www.periscope.tv/w/1ynJOrQWgDlGR

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The volumes are about equal. Chill out, Jfern.

It needed a 2/3rds majority. Even if it only needed a majority, "about even" doesn't cut it.

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The volumes are about equal. Chill out, Jfern.

It needed a 2/3rds majority. Even if it only needed a majority, "about even" doesn't cut it.

Yes, the Nays needed 2/3 to reject the temporary rules and impose their own.  The voice vote was about even, so they failed.  What don't you understand about this?

What sort of vote only requires a 1/3rds vote in the affirmative? The rules committee didn't adopt any rules, so there couldn't be any rules without a 2/3rds vote.

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All this nitpicking and nagging really is pointless since this race has been mathematically over since Super Tuesday. It's really been done since South Carolina.

Obviously Hillary is almost certainly going to be the nominee, butHillary people seem to want to stick it to Bernie people, and assume that they'll vote for her. Hell no!

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All this nitpicking and nagging really is pointless since this race has been mathematically over since Super Tuesday. It's really been done since South Carolina.

Obviously Hillary is almost certainly going to be the nominee, butHillary people seem to want to stick it to Bernie people, and assume that they'll vote for her. Hell no!

Good. If the Democrats don't want to have a Donald Trump in their hands then they ought to purge the party from left-wing nuts like you, just like the Republicans did in the 60's with the Birchers.  

You can't take away our power, because WE DON'T HAVE ANY!!!!!!

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The volumes are about equal. Chill out, Jfern.

It needed a 2/3rds majority. Even if it only needed a majority, "about even" doesn't cut it.

Yes, the Nays needed 2/3 to reject the temporary rules and impose their own.  The voice vote was about even, so they failed.  What don't you understand about this?

What sort of vote only requires a 1/3rds vote in the affirmative? The rules committee didn't adopt any rules, so there couldn't be any rules without a 2/3rds vote.

Why are you still posting in this thread if you don't understand the process in the first place?  I thought I had explained it as clearly as I could, multiple times?

I know the process. A 2/3rds majority is required for rules if they aren't from the rules committee.

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All this nitpicking and nagging really is pointless since this race has been mathematically over since Super Tuesday. It's really been done since South Carolina.

Obviously Hillary is almost certainly going to be the nominee, butHillary people seem to want to stick it to Bernie people, and assume that they'll vote for her. Hell no!

Good. If the Democrats don't want to have a Donald Trump in their hands then they ought to purge the party from left-wing nuts like you, just like the Republicans did in the 60's with the Birchers.  

That's just as bad of an idea as Jfern's ludicrous 'all liberal all the time' beliefs.

What all liberal all the time beliefs? Bernie actually got some endorsements from people who aren't remotely liberal, such as Rep. Collin Peterson.

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I wasn't talking about Sanders' political ideology, Jfern. I was talking about yours.

Well, obvious a liberal wants lots of liberal politicians, but there are limits to these things. However, I never would have thought a candidate who talked about how great democratic socialism was would end up with 45% of the pledged delegates. I mean, if I was Bernie, I'd stay clear of the word socialist, and might not mention Scandinavia as often. Maybe occasionally mention Iceland.

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Wow, this site really really hates Bernie people.

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Wow, this site really really hates Bernie people.

It's not that they hate 'Bernie people'. Some of the best posters on this forum support Sanders. It's more that this forum hates delusional Berniebros like you.

It's pretty clear that that Nevada Hillary people are some of the biggest pants on fire liars on the planet. There was that "English only" nonsense after the 1st round.

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Okay, so prove that the 'English only' incident never happened.

https://mic.com/articles/135798/video-shows-what-really-happened-during-english-only-dispute-at-nevada-caucus#.jG44RQPfH

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Jfern's narrative ahead of the convention has suddenly shifted from "you Hillbots have alienated us; watch and weep as all of Bernie's delegates walk out of the convention en masse" to "how dare the corrupt DNC throw out Bernie's legitimately elected delegates? If they didn't want chairs to be thrown around they should have fixed them to the floor; the DNC only have themselves to blame."

No chairs were thrown just like no one chanted English only. Baghdad Bob had more credibility than Nevada Hillary hacks.

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Jfern's narrative ahead of the convention has suddenly shifted from "you Hillbots have alienated us; watch and weep as all of Bernie's delegates walk out of the convention en masse" to "how dare the corrupt DNC throw out Bernie's legitimately elected delegates? If they didn't want chairs to be thrown around they should have fixed them to the floor; the DNC only have themselves to blame."

No chairs were thrown just like no one chanted English only. Baghdad Bob had more credibility than Nevada Hillary hacks.

The chair throwing thing was confirmed by Jon Ralston, who is no one's definition of a Clinton hack.

Ralston is totally full of sh**t. No chair was thrown. Here's the video of a chair not being thrown.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Bernie4People/status/732619789424832512/video/1

Let's assume that anything else that comes out of Nevada Hillary supporter's mouths is a pants on fire lie.

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Ahh, so a lie that can't be falsified according to you hacks. Everyone has a smartphone these days, so I'm sure there would be footage if this wasn't another lie like the "English Only" lie that went over the entire media.

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Oh here comes Jfern... and it looks like he's actually trying to argue that what happened in Nevada was ok and the Clinton people are lying about it.  Or at least they're lying about the chair being thrown.  Because they really need to tell lies about what happened since it obviously wasn't bad enough.

Jfern, the hall was huge and crowded, it's not inconceivable that nobody would have a smartphone focused on one random person before they threw a chair to get the footage.  In the video you showed, some guy is clearly about to throw a chair when someone else tears it out of his hands.  Since someone was caught on camera about to throw a chair, that makes me more willing to believe that at another time and another place during the riots someone did throw a chair.  Clearly some of your Sanders people, like that guy, were willing to do it and wanted to do it.

But you know what?  It doesn't matter.  So let's say the press is reporting that someone threw a chair when really all that happened is that someone almost threw a chair.  That's a minor detail that's like 0.01% of the whole story.  You win, dumbass, the other 99.9% still stands.  Your candidate is a rabble-rousing coward, his supporters are frothing maniacs, and his campaign feeds them lies to power their paranoid delusions.

http://www.nbcnews.com/video/sanders-dodges-question-about-convention-disturbance-687328835563
Here's your brave hero.  Such integrity and passion for the truth!

What other 99.9%? This is a straight-up pants on fire swiftboating of Bernie supporters.

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Oh here comes Jfern... and it looks like he's actually trying to argue that what happened in Nevada was ok and the Clinton people are lying about it.  Or at least they're lying about the chair being thrown.  Because they really need to tell lies about what happened since it obviously wasn't bad enough.

Jfern, the hall was huge and crowded, it's not inconceivable that nobody would have a smartphone focused on one random person before they threw a chair to get the footage.  In the video you showed, some guy is clearly about to throw a chair when someone else tears it out of his hands.  Since someone was caught on camera about to throw a chair, that makes me more willing to believe that at another time and another place during the riots someone did throw a chair.  Clearly some of your Sanders people, like that guy, were willing to do it and wanted to do it.

But you know what?  It doesn't matter.  So let's say the press is reporting that someone threw a chair when really all that happened is that someone almost threw a chair.  That's a minor detail that's like 0.01% of the whole story.  You win, dumbass, the other 99.9% still stands.  Your candidate is a rabble-rousing coward, his supporters are frothing maniacs, and his campaign feeds them lies to power their paranoid delusions.

http://www.nbcnews.com/video/sanders-dodges-question-about-convention-disturbance-687328835563
Here's your brave hero.  Such integrity and passion for the truth!

What other 99.9%? This is a straight-up pants on fire swiftboating of Bernie supporters.

Here's part of it.  Inexcusable.  Shame on you for even trying to defend this.
You should have stayed silent.

https://www.ralstonreports.com/blog/sample-voicemails-left-state-democratic-chairwoman-roberta-lange

"Look, anybody who is supporting me that is doing the sexist things is — we don’t want them." - Bernie Sanders

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Oh here comes Jfern... and it looks like he's actually trying to argue that what happened in Nevada was ok and the Clinton people are lying about it.  Or at least they're lying about the chair being thrown.  Because they really need to tell lies about what happened since it obviously wasn't bad enough.

Jfern, the hall was huge and crowded, it's not inconceivable that nobody would have a smartphone focused on one random person before they threw a chair to get the footage.  In the video you showed, some guy is clearly about to throw a chair when someone else tears it out of his hands.  Since someone was caught on camera about to throw a chair, that makes me more willing to believe that at another time and another place during the riots someone did throw a chair.  Clearly some of your Sanders people, like that guy, were willing to do it and wanted to do it.

But you know what?  It doesn't matter.  So let's say the press is reporting that someone threw a chair when really all that happened is that someone almost threw a chair.  That's a minor detail that's like 0.01% of the whole story.  You win, dumbass, the other 99.9% still stands.  Your candidate is a rabble-rousing coward, his supporters are frothing maniacs, and his campaign feeds them lies to power their paranoid delusions.

http://www.nbcnews.com/video/sanders-dodges-question-about-convention-disturbance-687328835563
Here's your brave hero.  Such integrity and passion for the truth!

What other 99.9%? This is a straight-up pants on fire swiftboating of Bernie supporters.

Here's part of it.  Inexcusable.  Shame on you for even trying to defend this.
You should have stayed silent.

https://www.ralstonreports.com/blog/sample-voicemails-left-state-democratic-chairwoman-roberta-lange

"Look, anybody who is supporting me that is doing the sexist things is — we don’t want them." - Bernie Sanders

Your argument was that all the "Nevada Hillary supporters" (fyi, basically everybody on this board has come to grips with reality except you at this point) were lying and making things up and that nothing inappropriate occurred.  Are you now conceding the point that inappropriate things did occur in Nevada and shifting to arguing that Sanders isn't personally responsible for them?  Just wanted to nail down that you lost your original argument before engaging your new one.

The chair thing was a lie. Who cares whether some people who may or may not have been Bernie supporters, and Bernie doesn't want their support anyways, left harassing voice messages. That's not violence like the liars claimed. And that wasn't at the convention. The claim was there was violence at the convention. That some supposed Bernie supporters made some harassing calls at a different point in time is not violence at the convention. Bernie pointed out that one of his campaign offices in Nevada had shots fired at it. That was real violence.