Character education

[Alcon]

Why, States, should I respect someone for simply being older than me? I give due respect to those who I believe deserve it. But I will not respect someone like Opebo soley because they are older, and thus "more wise" than me. I judge people on their intellect, virtue, morals, and wiseness. I believe that respecting people just because of their age is taking the easy way out of life.

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Why, States, should I respect someone for simply being older than me? I give due respect to those who I believe deserve it. But I will not respect someone like Opebo soley because they are older, and thus "more wise" than me. I judge people on their intellect, virtue, morals, and wiseness. I believe that respecting people just because of their age is taking the easy way out of life.

Well, it really doesnt apply to 15-16 year olds as much as it does to 5-10 year olds.

[A18]

Um, Jake has a picture of Karimov on his wall?

Obviously they didn't have message boards in 1944, and even if they did, FDR probably wouldn't be on one. If you can think of a better parallel to profile picture I would like to hear it.

I have signatures turned off, so I didn't know what you were talking about.

[TomC]

I vote "no." If students said "yes sir" to me all day, I think I'd puke.

[Beet]

Um, Jake has a picture of Karimov on his wall?

Obviously they didn't have message boards in 1944, and even if they did, FDR probably wouldn't be on one. If you can think of a better parallel to profile picture I would like to hear it.

I have signatures turned off, so I didn't know what you were talking about.

Nevermind then. Didn't mean to hijack the topic. Suffice it to say I don't understand why people nitpick at tiny little things which are barely about (or arent' really about) 'morality' and act all indignant when they willfully disregard the gargantuan moral issues affecting the world.

[??????????]

Um, Jake has a picture of Karimov on his wall?

Obviously they didn't have message boards in 1944, and even if they did, FDR probably wouldn't be on one. If you can think of a better parallel to profile picture I would like to hear it.

I have signatures turned off, so I didn't know what you were talking about.

Nevermind then. Didn't mean to hijack the topic. Suffice it to say I don't understand why people nitpick at tiny little things which are barely about (or arent' really about) 'morality' and act all indignant when they willfully disregard the gargantuan moral issues affecting the world.

Because respect for your elders is the foundation of a polite society.

[Beet]

Um, Jake has a picture of Karimov on his wall?

Obviously they didn't have message boards in 1944, and even if they did, FDR probably wouldn't be on one. If you can think of a better parallel to profile picture I would like to hear it.

I have signatures turned off, so I didn't know what you were talking about.

Nevermind then. Didn't mean to hijack the topic. Suffice it to say I don't understand why people nitpick at tiny little things which are barely about (or arent' really about) 'morality' and act all indignant when they willfully disregard the gargantuan moral issues affecting the world.

Because respect for your elders is the foundation of a polite society.

That doesn't really answer the question.

[??????????]

It's obviously impolite not referring to people by their proper names/titles, but politeness shouldn't have to be enforced. It should be taught by parents at home, not in schools. If you don't know how to address your professor properly by the time you're in college, I don't know what to say - it's your parents' fault most likely, not the grade schools'.

True enough and I agree. But I always use sir and ma'am, on a day to day basis.

[Alcon]

It's obviously impolite not referring to people by their proper names/titles, but politeness shouldn't have to be enforced. It should be taught by parents at home, not in schools. If you don't know how to address your professor properly by the time you're in college, I don't know what to say - it's your parents' fault most likely, not the grade schools'.

True enough and I agree. But I always use sir and ma'am, on a day to day basis.

The problem with that is that I find many people think you are being sardonic. If I called my teachers "sir" or "ma'am," they would probably suspect I was either being a wiseass or am ridiculously formal.

[nclib]

Why, States, should I respect someone for simply being older than me? I give due respect to those who I believe deserve it. But I will not respect someone like Opebo soley because they are older, and thus "more wise" than me. I judge people on their intellect, virtue, morals, and wiseness. I believe that respecting people just because of their age is taking the easy way out of life.

Well said, Alcon.

[Bono]

Respect should be earned!

Respect for adults should be earned when it comes to children? I think not. Respect for adults is EXPECTED. At least in this household it is.

So, you expect your kids to respect Michael Jackson?

[??????????]

Respect should be earned!

Respect for adults should be earned when it comes to children? I think not. Respect for adults is EXPECTED. At least in this household it is.

So, you expect your kids to respect Michael Jackson?

Most good parents would not let their children spend time with a animal like him.

[Bono]

Respect should be earned!

Respect for adults should be earned when it comes to children? I think not. Respect for adults is EXPECTED. At least in this household it is.

So, you expect your kids to respect Michael Jackson?

Most good parents would not let their children spend time with a animal like him.

Still, according to your logiv, he's an adut, so they most respect him.

[Jake]

Hah, yeah supporting allies is consistent with wanting to do what the leader of that country does. Okay, Nice work there

If you support him in power, then you have to face the consequences of that support. Period.

So having a picture of him in my signature means I support what he does. Okay, by the same token, you showing a Democratic avatar means you support all of their policies.

[nclib]

Um, Jake has a picture of Karimov on his wall?

Obviously they didn't have message boards in 1944, and even if they did, FDR probably wouldn't be on one. If you can think of a better parallel to profile picture I would like to hear it.

I have signatures turned off, so I didn't know what you were talking about.

Nevermind then. Didn't mean to hijack the topic. Suffice it to say I don't understand why people nitpick at tiny little things which are barely about (or arent' really about) 'morality' and act all indignant when they willfully disregard the gargantuan moral issues affecting the world.

Because respect for your elders is the foundation of a polite society.

Care to elaborate?

[nclib]

"Sir" or "Madam" is certainly not necessary. However, any half-decent student would use "Mr.," "Mrs.," or "Miss."

I agree, though it still shouldn't be required.

So kids should be allowed to address their teachers by first names without their permission? This is the moral decay of this nation right here.

A teacher can require it in their own classroom, but the state shouldn't be able to require it in all schools.

[Emsworth]

"Sir" or "Madam" is certainly not necessary. However, any half-decent student would use "Mr.," "Mrs.," or "Miss."

I agree, though it still shouldn't be required.

So kids should be allowed to address their teachers by first names without their permission? This is the moral decay of this nation right here.

A teacher can require it in their own classroom, but the state shouldn't be able to require it everywhere.

I don't think that the intention is to require it everywhere - only in school.

[nclib]

"Sir" or "Madam" is certainly not necessary. However, any half-decent student would use "Mr.," "Mrs.," or "Miss."

I agree, though it still shouldn't be required.

So kids should be allowed to address their teachers by first names without their permission? This is the moral decay of this nation right here.

A teacher can require it in their own classroom, but the state shouldn't be able to require it everywhere.

I don't think that the intention is to require it everywhere - only in school.

I should have said 'A teacher can require it in their own classroom, but the state shouldn't be able to require it in all schools.'

[??????????]

Um, Jake has a picture of Karimov on his wall?

Obviously they didn't have message boards in 1944, and even if they did, FDR probably wouldn't be on one. If you can think of a better parallel to profile picture I would like to hear it.

I have signatures turned off, so I didn't know what you were talking about.

Nevermind then. Didn't mean to hijack the topic. Suffice it to say I don't understand why people nitpick at tiny little things which are barely about (or arent' really about) 'morality' and act all indignant when they willfully disregard the gargantuan moral issues affecting the world.

Because respect for your elders is the foundation of a polite society.

Care to elaborate?

Respect for your elders generally leads to a respect for others later on in life. Do you think a child who sasses his grandmother or other family member and does "what they feel" is going to have much respect for other human beings as they get older? I am a firm believer in "spare the rod; spoil the child".

[nclib]

Um, Jake has a picture of Karimov on his wall?

Obviously they didn't have message boards in 1944, and even if they did, FDR probably wouldn't be on one. If you can think of a better parallel to profile picture I would like to hear it.

I have signatures turned off, so I didn't know what you were talking about.

Nevermind then. Didn't mean to hijack the topic. Suffice it to say I don't understand why people nitpick at tiny little things which are barely about (or arent' really about) 'morality' and act all indignant when they willfully disregard the gargantuan moral issues affecting the world.

Because respect for your elders is the foundation of a polite society.

Care to elaborate?

Respect for your elders generally leads to a respect for others later on in life. Do you think a child who sasses his grandmother or other family member and does "what they feel" is going to have much respect for other human beings as they get older? I am a firm believer in "spare the rod; spoil the child".

Maybe, maybe not. It is interesting to note that since the 1950s the importance of respecting your elders has decreased and respect for human rights (blacks, women, gays, etc.) has increased.

[??????????]

Um, Jake has a picture of Karimov on his wall?

Obviously they didn't have message boards in 1944, and even if they did, FDR probably wouldn't be on one. If you can think of a better parallel to profile picture I would like to hear it.

I have signatures turned off, so I didn't know what you were talking about.

Nevermind then. Didn't mean to hijack the topic. Suffice it to say I don't understand why people nitpick at tiny little things which are barely about (or arent' really about) 'morality' and act all indignant when they willfully disregard the gargantuan moral issues affecting the world.

Because respect for your elders is the foundation of a polite society.

Care to elaborate?

Respect for your elders generally leads to a respect for others later on in life. Do you think a child who sasses his grandmother or other family member and does "what they feel" is going to have much respect for other human beings as they get older? I am a firm believer in "spare the rod; spoil the child".

Maybe, maybe not. It is interesting to note that since the 1950s the importance of respecting your elders has decreased and respect for human rights (blacks, women, gays, etc.) has increased.

Respecting your elders and respecting other races can't go hand in hand? You must have never spent anytime in the black community, especially in the south.

[Gabu]

In my schools, it was generally expected that teachers were called "Mr./Mrs./Ms./Miss (last name)" by the students, partly for respect and partly to establish the teacher as the man or woman who is in charge in the classroom.  Personally, I see nothing wrong with that; it's not exactly asking a whole lot, and it's just nice to the teachers.

I do, however, think that the words "sir" or "ma'am" are really kind of out of place in the modern world.  I don't know of anyone, young or old, who uses the terms "sir" or "ma'am" in a serious context.  If you're going to have the kids be respectful, at least make them be respectful in a way that actually exists in the real world.  Let's just keep it at "Mr./Mrs./Ms./Miss (last name)"; if we take it too far, people are going to be looking at these kids very strangely after they get out of school.

[??????????]

I do, however, think that the words "sir" or "ma'am" are really kind of out of place in the modern world.  I don't know of anyone, young or old, who uses the terms "sir" or "ma'am" in a serious context.  If you're going to have the kids be respectful, at least make them be respectful in a way that actually exists in the real world.  Let's just keep it at "Mr./Mrs./Ms./Miss (last name)"; if we take it too far, people are going to be looking at these kids very strangely after they get out of school.

Maybe in Canada but certainly not here.

[nclib]

Quote from article:

<<She also believes that if students are taught to show respect for teachers, they will begin to extend similar courtesy to their peers, thus reducing school fights.>>


Why not directly encourage respect for other students? For example, anti-bullying programs need to be used more often.

[Gabu]

I do, however, think that the words "sir" or "ma'am" are really kind of out of place in the modern world.  I don't know of anyone, young or old, who uses the terms "sir" or "ma'am" in a serious context.  If you're going to have the kids be respectful, at least make them be respectful in a way that actually exists in the real world.  Let's just keep it at "Mr./Mrs./Ms./Miss (last name)"; if we take it too far, people are going to be looking at these kids very strangely after they get out of school.

Maybe in Canada but certainly not here.

I can't say I've ever heard an American say "sir" or "ma'am" either, but maybe I've just been seeing the wrong people.

Actually, come to think of it, guys behind cash registers routinely say that in both countries, but I kinda wish they wouldn't.  It always makes me feel weird.