Politico: Is Bernie Sanders Becoming the Ralph Nader of 2016?

[Frodo]

Is Sanders 2016 Becoming Nader 2000?
How Bernie could cost Hillary the election.

By Bill Scher
May 16, 2016

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Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/05/is-sanders-2016-becoming-nader-2000-213893#ixzz48q6bYrlP

[The Other Castro]

As the law of headlines states, any headline that ends in a question mark can be answered by the word no.

[The Dowager Mod]

I read that article, interesting points.

[President Johnson]

Just a few minutes ago, TRUMP urged Bernard to run as independent candidate on his Facebook page.

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[Hammy]

Not going to happen, especially with Trump as the Republican.

[Frozen Sky Ever Why]

Trump is hovering between 38-44% of the vote. It's possible he'd lose even with a Bernie third party run.

[Maxwell]

I don't think so.

[President Johnson]

Trump is hovering between 38-44% of the vote. It's possible he'd lose even with a Bernie third party run.

TRUMP will be between 48 and 51%.

An independent run by the Bern would likely end something like this:

Businessman Donald J. Trump (R-NY)/Governor Marry Fallin (R-OK): 344 EV. (49.02%)
Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton (D-NY)/Senator Tim Kaine (D-VA): 165 EV. (34.29%)
Senator Bernard Sanders (I-VT)/Former Governor Jesse Ventura (I-MN): 29 EV. (15.17%)

[HAnnA MArin County]

Just a few minutes ago, TRUMP urged Bernard to run as independent candidate on his Facebook page.

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And anyone with half a brain knows that Donald is scared because he knows he's going to lose badly to her, so the only way for him to win is to get a third party candidate. Sad!

[President Johnson]

Just a few minutes ago, TRUMP urged Bernard to run as independent candidate on his Facebook page.

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And anyone with half a brain knows that Donald is scared because he knows he's going to lose badly to her, so the only way for him to win is to get a third party candidate. Sad!

Just like TRUMP lost the nomination badly (what was told six months ago)....

[°Leprechaun]

This nonsense is ridiculous for so many reasons, including the fact that the Libertarians are likely to get more votes than the Greens. Nader "probably" caused Bush to win. He doesn't even seem sure that Nader was even a factor. Why do so many foolish single out Nader,
there have been third party candidates throughout US history from Teddy in 1912 to Wallace in 1968 and Perot in 1992 and 1996 all of whom did better than Nader.
Those who have a pathological hatred of Nader seriously need help. 2000 was a long time ago and Sanders has never said he would run as an Independent or third party candidate; he has said he will support Clinton. Sanders is not interested in having Trump as president. You Clinton supporters need to get a grip. You are getting more and more ridiculous with each passing day. If Clinton is such an awesome candidate as you think she is, then you should have nothing to worry about, should you?

[NeverAgain]

I see no comparisons between them. These are almost as stupid as "IS BERNIE SANDERS THE OBAMA OF 2016?" Anyone that thinks Bernie is anyway similar to Ralph Nader's failed campaign (not policywise), really needs to get their act together.

[HAnnA MArin County]

Just a few minutes ago, TRUMP urged Bernard to run as independent candidate on his Facebook page.

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And anyone with half a brain knows that Donald is scared because he knows he's going to lose badly to her, so the only way for him to win is to get a third party candidate. Sad!

Just like TRUMP lost the nomination badly (what was told six months ago)....

It's easier for a clown to win in a circus full of 16 other clowns than for a clown to defeat one non clown for the job of President.

The general electorate is going to be a lot more diverse and a lot less crazier than the voters known as the Republican Party primary base that crowned this charlatan who's taking them all for suckers.

[Sorenroy]

For the most part I don't agree with this, or the notion that Sanders is hurting Clinton's chances to win in November, but I definitely think that he could work on winding down his tone. I haven't seen as many fundraising emails, but I did get one with the title "[PETITION] Stop President Obama's deportation raids" that includes the following: "Hillary Clinton previously said that these same children who fled violence in Latin America 'should be sent back' in order to 'send a clear message.'" I definitely believe that the point he has here is valid, but maybe he could be a little less adversarial (he does criticize Donald Trump as well, but not as much as he could ["Donald Trump has of course called for building a "Great Wall" along the border with Mexico."]).

[°Leprechaun]

You could just as easily blame Lieberman, Al Gore's VP choice. Hardly a loyal Democrat.
Al Gore supported Dean over Lieberman in 2004 and Lieberman endorsed McCain in 2008.

Who's more loyal Sanders or Lieberman? Why keep bringing up ancient history?

[°Leprechaun]

The primaries are too long, there are only three weeks and one day until left until June 7.
You all need to chill a little. I think you are suffering from election fatigue. We're not going to know much until the fall anyway. Find something else about which to direct all you angst and anger. Sanders is not the devil, contrary to popular belief.

[afleitch]

Bernie has always been for Bernie.

[°Leprechaun]

Bernie has always been for Bernie.

True enough.

[mgop]

its interesting how liberals always talk about nader 2000, but never about perot in '92 and '96. if bush win just because of nader, then clinton win both terms just because of perot. and of course every sanders fiscal voter will vote for trump over hillary.

[Phony Moderate]

Bernie is clearly more pragmatic than Ralph; the latter would rather glue to bits to the back end of a taxi than caucus with the Democrats.

[Xing]

No, there's only one candidate in the race who's almost as much of an egomaniac as Nader...

[Phony Moderate]

its interesting how liberals always talk about nader 2000, but never about perot in '92 and '96. if bush win just because of nader, then clinton win both terms just because of perot. and of course every sanders fiscal voter will vote for trump over hillary.

It is fair to say that Gore would have won had Nader not been on the ballot in Florida. It may also be fair to say that Gore would have won if he had chosen Bob Graham, or campaigned in Tennessee more, or wheeled out Bill Clinton on the trail etc.

[Virginiá]

It's easier for a clown to win in a circus full of 16 other clowns than for a clown to defeat one non clown for the job of President.

The general electorate is going to be a lot more diverse and a lot less crazier than the voters known as the Republican Party primary base that crowned this charlatan who's taking them all for suckers.

Another election argument involving Republican primaries I don't get. Why don't people understand that winning a primary that is 85% - 90% white, composed of the more ideological and/or more unruly members of the party, is not the same as winning over an electorate that is projected to be 69% - 70% white (2% drop since 2012), with that remaining 30% breaking almost unanimously for the Democrat, right off the bat.

Considering Trump's utter lack of support among minorities (even compared to Romney), he will need to pull off the impossible to win: jack up his white vote share almost 5%, which is a very rare occurrence outside of specific-circumstances landslides. Either that, or somehow magically drive turnout among Democrats so low that people will begin to question if Democratic voters even exist.

[Landslide Lyndon]

its interesting how liberals always talk about nader 2000, but never about perot in '92 and '96. if bush win just because of nader, then clinton win both terms just because of perot. and of course every sanders fiscal voter will vote for trump over hillary.

That's because according to exit polls Perot's voters would have split evenly among Clinton and Bush.
Jesus effing Christ, this zombie argument never dies no matter how many times is refuted.

[Hammy]

Just a few minutes ago, TRUMP urged Bernard to run as independent candidate on his Facebook page.

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And anyone with half a brain knows that Donald is scared because he knows he's going to lose badly to her, so the only way for him to win is to get a third party candidate. Sad!

Just like TRUMP lost the nomination badly (what was told six months ago)....

Yes, because having 17 opponents that the establishment vote was split across and winning 100% of the delegates in states he won less than 40% of the vote is certainly an indictator that he can win a general election...