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Question: Who would you have voted for
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John Kerry
 
#2
John Edwards
 
#3
Howard Dean
 
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Wesely Clark
 
#5
Dick Gephardt
 
#6
Dennis Kucinich
 
#7
Joe Liberman
 
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« Reply #25 on: May 19, 2016, 12:03:08 AM »

This is embarrassing in hindsight, but I remember being a big Wesley Clark fan at the time. Had I had my current sensibilities at the time, I probably would have started off as a Howard Dean fan and switched to Kerry when he collapsed.
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« Reply #26 on: May 19, 2016, 01:24:41 AM »

Tier 1:
Dean - one of the frontrunners so makes sense strategically, awesome candidate on policy.  It's super, duper sad that he's now a lobbyist fighting universal health care.

Tier 2:
Clark - was one of the least corrupted candidates at least.  Has a cool son.
Kucinich - he's basically a Jill Stein-esque protest vote for someone who is right on policy but too crazy to be a competent President

Tier 3:
Kerry - meh.  Done well as secretary of state, was an acceptable mainstream liberal democrat with no charisma.

Tier 4:
Edwards - After he got brainwashed into being far left on economics by Elizabeth in 08 he was a WAY better candidate, ghoulish infidelity aside.  Here he was just aping Bill Clinton
Gephardt - sucks!
Sharpton - okay on some policy but c'mon, he's Al Sharpton.  I probably would have been a Jackson voter in the 80s but not a Sharpton voter in the 00s

Tier DIAF:
Lieberman - neocon asswipe in the pocket of insurance and finance companies (obvious)
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« Reply #27 on: May 19, 2016, 01:37:03 AM »

Dean > Kucinich > Edwards > Kerry > Clark > Gephardt > Sharpton >>>> ... >>>> Lieberman

(if I'd known about Edwards' scandal  I would have placed him after Gephardt)

Really? Anti-establishment in 2004 but not 08 or 16?
Despite having a much longer Senate career than Obama, Bernie is just as naive unfortunately. He really thinks a bunch of kids from Reddit spamming Mitch McConnell/Paul Ryan's emails/phones will get them to pass his socialist programs. That's not how it works, because as I said, they couldn't care less about public opinion or the welfare of the country. He talks about a political revolution, but has put very little effort into supporting candidates for Congress, which would be absolutely essential to even get slices of his agenda through. Despite all this, I do agree with him that the Democratic Party needs to move away from centrism and take a more left-wing approach. But I'd argue that Hillary can actually get more progressive goals accomplished than he could, since she knows how to work the system. Give me the tough as nails tenacious sketchy bitch that knows the true colors of the Republicans and the ugliness of sausage making over the naive inspirational black guy or the somewhat delusional socialist, every day of the week and twice on Sunday. Smiley

1) I'm a big fan of yours
2) I would love to see a Democratic House and Senate and Hillary as President assuming Bernie loses
3) Bernie sucks in many of the ways that you have identified

BUT...

A Democratic Congress, though better than a Republican one, will still be in the pocket of lobbying firms who will pour money into Democratic coffers and will literally allow lobbyists to continue to write bills and water down progressive legislation into diet coke progressive legislation and remain inelastic (re Martin Gilens' research) to the wishes of average voters.  The "political revolution" is a vague, fuzzy dream but it's a badly, badly needed one.  TBH i'm not as left wing as Bernie and am probably closer to Hillary in many respects but his focus on campaign finance is the major reason I support him, because it's the plutonium rod that poisons the entire well.
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« Reply #28 on: May 19, 2016, 02:11:25 AM »

Just noticed that Carol Moseley Braun isn't an option here.  Sad!
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« Reply #29 on: May 19, 2016, 03:35:17 AM »
« Edited: May 19, 2016, 03:40:56 AM by TheDeadFlagBlues »

In retrospect, I'd probably vote for Dean.

How I'd rank my ballot:
1. Howard Dean
2. John Edwards
3. John Kerry
4. Al Sharpton
5. Dick Gephardt

I would refuse to vote for Clark or Lieberman or Kucinich in a primary.

John Edwards is on the list because, even in 2004, he ran on a pretty left-wing economic platform. I supported him in 2008 because I was a naive fool. However, I think that his brand, however fake it was, was quite appealing and hearkened back to way the Democratic Party was in the 1960s and 1970s.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVWyoQ5xlOs
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« Reply #30 on: May 19, 2016, 04:28:22 AM »

For those interested, there was an interesting article published several years ago about Kerry completely regretting picking Edwards and wishing he'd gone with Gephardt instead.  Basically, Edwards was an ambitious phony from the beginning who desperately wanted the veep slot and got it because he looked better as a candidate on paper than Gephardt did.

(Interestingly, Clinton was also on the shortlist.  She was passed over because she had curiously high negatives at the time.)
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« Reply #31 on: May 19, 2016, 05:16:42 AM »

Yeah; Obama was hardly an anti-establishment candidate considering his staff was made up of ex-Daschle staff, he was backed by Reid, Kerry and Ted Kennedy. He was certainly running to the left of Clinton, but only by an inch.

On 2004- at the time I would have supported Clark, and then Kerry (the same reason that I supported Andy Burnham in 2015; I'm a pragmatist who buys into media narrative a bit too much) I would have believed that Clark/Kerry would take the military issue of the table.

Looking back with hindsight probably Howard Dean 
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« Reply #32 on: May 19, 2016, 05:21:27 AM »

Dean.

And remember, Clark was seen as being somewhat on the left in 2004; he was backed by McGovern.
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« Reply #33 on: May 19, 2016, 08:04:49 AM »
« Edited: May 19, 2016, 08:10:48 AM by Intell »

1. Gephardt (Great Guy, Friend of Labor, anti-free trade, not so socially liberal)
2. Kucinich (I liked him in 04, he was good person, anti-free trade, great person for the working man, also he was pro-life back since 02')
3. Clark (Great Military Man, great candidate)
4. Edwards (Really like his vision, an his retail politics for the democratic party and for economic populism)
5. Dean (A good person, not a big fan, but has some good populist messages)
6. Kerry (Boring.)
7. Liberman (Yuck!)
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« Reply #34 on: May 19, 2016, 08:32:25 AM »

Embarrassingly, I supported Sharpton at the time. In hindsight, I would've backed Clark.
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« Reply #35 on: May 19, 2016, 09:43:32 AM »

Dean.

And remember, Clark was seen as being somewhat on the left in 2004; he was backed by McGovern.
I interpreted all the conservatives supporting Clark as a sign he was a moderate; but knowing this I would have put him 3rd behind Dean and Kucinich.
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« Reply #36 on: May 19, 2016, 12:36:23 PM »

Clark > Dean > Edwards > Kucinich > Kerry > Gephardt > Sharpton > Mosley Braun > Lieberman

Honestly, I could vote for any of the first 4 I listed without regret at the time. Obviously, hindsight would render that Edwards pick as bad.
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« Reply #37 on: May 19, 2016, 08:31:10 PM »

One of the most important the characteristics of any commander-in-chief is their judgement and I question Clark's for wanting to start WW3 over Kosovo. Despite some disagreement, I'd vote Kucinich for foreign policy.
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« Reply #38 on: May 19, 2016, 09:44:43 PM »

Gephardt > Clark > Lieberman

I prefer Bush ahead of the rest.
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« Reply #39 on: May 19, 2016, 10:51:44 PM »

Dean>Lieberman>Gephardt>Clark

I'd prefer Bush over the rest but would probably vote Green(Cobb), Reform(Nader), or Libertarian(Badnarik). Is Cobb completely sane? No, but he was not a spoiler, he is a great person with sincere ideals, and he might have shown the best results for a third party in the state. Badnarik and Nader both seem a bit cliche.
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« Reply #40 on: May 20, 2016, 12:55:36 AM »

Kucinich. In second, regretfully, at that time I liked Edwards.
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« Reply #41 on: May 20, 2016, 01:16:51 AM »

At the time, either Howard Dean or Dennis Kucinich.
Knowing who Dean turned into, I'd go with Kucinich today.
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« Reply #42 on: May 20, 2016, 02:03:04 AM »

Dean without heinseight (I was for him IRL though I was only 15) though Kucinich was ultimately the ideal candidate.
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« Reply #43 on: May 20, 2016, 03:28:51 PM »

I was, of all things, a Wesley Clark supporter in 2004.  Of course I was also 11 at the time and my logic didn't go beyond "we need to outflank Bush and nominate a military guy".

You followed politics at 11 and knew who Clark was lol . In 200& when I was the same age I only knew 3 people running Obama Hillary McCain

I've always been a huge f***king nerd, man.

I was also an 11 year old that was a Clark fan. My mom really liked him from his military experience and I bought in too. I still really like the guy, but would probably advocate for him being VP rather than POTUS. I was VERY bored by Kerry. I saw Howard dean, and watched his scream moment live and thought he was a freaking loon. It took until near the 2012 election when I realized I really liked him and today probably would cast my vote for him.

I also bought into Obama in 04 and knew he'd be president then. By no means was I surprised when he beat Hillary.

We in the Prairie State had the opportunity to follow him more closely and for a longer period of time. Was a favorite among Illinois Dems from the moment he stepped into the state legislature.

In 2004, I'd have voted for Dean. Once he dropped, I'd have gone to Kerry.
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