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« Reply #25 on: May 19, 2016, 05:23:37 PM »

Eh, I think they should have chosen someone else, but Weld is an alright choice.
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« Reply #26 on: May 19, 2016, 05:37:22 PM »

Eh, I think they should have chosen someone else, but Weld is an alright choice.

For Johnson and Trump, there is a powerful "who will say yes" aspect to the VP selection. Not just any politician would've agreed to Johnson, and many in the Republican Party would refuse to be Trump's VP. Only Clinton really has the ability to pick anyone from her party out.
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« Reply #27 on: May 19, 2016, 05:43:08 PM »

If I had to guess Johnson's VP shortlist, it probably would've looked like:

  • Former MA Gov. William Weld
  • Former MN Gov. Jesse Ventura (expressed possible interest earlier)
  • Former MI Rep. Kerry Bentivolio (confirmed interest)
  • CA Superior Court Judge Jim Gray (2012 VP pick)
  • Ballot access attorney Alicia Dearn (confirmed interest)

And that's about it. Weld looks pretty good in that field.
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« Reply #28 on: May 19, 2016, 05:58:13 PM »

Has a third party ever ran two former statewide office holders on a national ticket since Teddy Roosevelt? Two former GOP Governors, pretty impressive ticket. Could be a legitimate option for many Republicans, don't know what kind of Republicans exactly tho (you'd think #NeverTrumps, and most would be, but I can imagine a lot of very conservative Republicans would not vote for a libertarian and a moderate/RINO).

The 1924 Progressive Party ran Sen. Robert M. Lafollette (R-WI) and Sen Burton K. Wheeler (D-MT) and carried a number of states. 

The 1948 Dixiecrats had two (2) sitting Governors, Strom Thurmond (D-SC) and Fielding Wright (D-MS). 

The 1948 Progressive Party had former VP Henry A. Wallace (D) and Sen. Glen Taylor (D-MT). 

The 1968 American Independent Party had Gov. George Wallace (D-AL) and Gov. S. Marvin Griffin (D-GA).  Griffin was the name that appeared on the ballot in most states; he was a stand-in for Gen. Curtis Lemay, who was named as Wallace's VP pick

Rep. John Anderson (R-IL) was not a statewide candidate, but he had won a significant number of delegates in 1980 and was a prominent House Republican when he ran an Independent bid for President in 1980.  Gov. Patrick Lucey (D-WI) was his running-mate.
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« Reply #29 on: May 19, 2016, 07:46:29 PM »

Has a third party ever ran two former statewide office holders on a national ticket since Teddy Roosevelt? Two former GOP Governors, pretty impressive ticket. Could be a legitimate option for many Republicans, don't know what kind of Republicans exactly tho (you'd think #NeverTrumps, and most would be, but I can imagine a lot of very conservative Republicans would not vote for a libertarian and a moderate/RINO).

The 1924 Progressive Party ran Sen. Robert M. Lafollette (R-WI) and Sen Burton K. Wheeler (D-MT) and carried a number of states. 

The 1948 Dixiecrats had two (2) sitting Governors, Strom Thurmond (D-SC) and Fielding Wright (D-MS). 

The 1948 Progressive Party had former VP Henry A. Wallace (D) and Sen. Glen Taylor (D-MT). 

The 1968 American Independent Party had Gov. George Wallace (D-AL) and Gov. S. Marvin Griffin (D-GA).  Griffin was the name that appeared on the ballot in most states; he was a stand-in for Gen. Curtis Lemay, who was named as Wallace's VP pick

Rep. John Anderson (R-IL) was not a statewide candidate, but he had won a significant number of delegates in 1980 and was a prominent House Republican when he ran an Independent bid for President in 1980.  Gov. Patrick Lucey (D-WI) was his running-mate.

Glen Taylor was from Idaho, not Montana. Always found it amazing that one of the most liberal Senators of the era was from what is now one of the reddest states.
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« Reply #30 on: May 19, 2016, 08:16:51 PM »

Weld is an amazing pick, and his former endorsement of Kasich makes me like Johnson even more. I've almost suggested him and Tim Penny for Johnson's running-mate, but I didn't think they'd be considered serious.
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« Reply #31 on: May 20, 2016, 12:42:07 AM »

I'm not a Libertarian by any stretch, but if I was I would think I'd be a little ticked that my party is being co-opted by moderate Republicans.

no the libertarian only chance of being relevant would be to attract moderate republicans who are fiscally conservative and socially liberal.
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« Reply #32 on: May 20, 2016, 01:59:02 AM »

My God! With Weld the LP might increase it's vote in MA by up to a quarter percent, and maybe a whole tenth of a percent nationwide! They MIGHT even hit 2%!! GAMECHANGER!!!!!!
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« Reply #33 on: May 20, 2016, 04:51:37 AM »

That is a serious ticket. What is worse: it may, actually, elect Trump.

How so?  I would think that the ticket is more likely to attract dissafected Republicans than Democrats.

A liberal Republican former officeholder is running third party, because the GOP nominee is considered to be an crazy and dangerous extremist. A political operative drops off a brief case with a well connected attorney in Manhattan and suddenly said liberal Republican finds himself on the ballot in NY. The Extremist ended up winning a majority natiowide and a dominant win in the electoral college but several northern states were won with pluralities including New York. That extremist was Ronald Reagan, the liberal Republican was John Anderson and the operative was the infamously crazy Roger Stone working for Reagan's NY Campaign.
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« Reply #34 on: May 20, 2016, 04:54:24 AM »

I'm not a Libertarian by any stretch, but if I was I would think I'd be a little ticked that my party is being co-opted by moderate Republicans.

no the libertarian only chance of being relevant would be to attract moderate republicans who are fiscally conservative and socially liberal.

So Johnson/Weld is going to perform rather well in Western Ukraine (inside joke/meme)
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« Reply #35 on: May 20, 2016, 05:11:31 AM »

That is a serious ticket. What is worse: it may, actually, elect Trump.

How so?  I would think that the ticket is more likely to attract dissafected Republicans than Democrats.

I'm guessing ag believes that Hillary will need those Trump protest votes to win.

Ag has this weird belief that moderates and establishment Republicans are going to become Democrats in the future and the Sanders people will become Republicans, and that Hillary Clinton voters would just as easily vote for moderate Republicans. I feel like he only sees in black and white, so all the evil Trump and Sanders supporters get lumped into the other party, while the nice moderate heroes become Democrats.


Moderate is a crappy term because the new Republican Party in being nationalist will be far more moderate on a number of issues than it was during the Bush and Tea Party eras.

I actually agree with ag, but with a slightly altered trajectory. Most Sanders Democrats who are actually on the left will remain Democrats for a long time. Sanders independents might flow to Trump in the right circumstances. However, it is true that I see a good number of neo-conservatives and neoliberals flowing into the Democratic Party in opposition to Trump. This will make life rather difficult for Sanders people who probably hoped to inherit the earth post Clinton. I have a feeling who the next nominee for the Democrats would be in this scenario and lets just say, 2020 is going to be fun and painful for ride for, well most everybody.

Nationalist Conservatism has a long history of co-opting socialism on a limited basis. This was very much in vogue in the mid 19th century when the threat of Revolution threatened the established order in Europe. It was also noticeable as late as with Nixon and his co-opting of liberal policies to weaken the Democratic coailition. It was also rather true of the early Republican Party as well, which had nationalist economic policies and also a large Progressive wing. This will take decades to come to fruition and probably generational change from either Y to Z or some other future generation. It is not as crazy as sounds on the surface, if you consider multiple historical examples from pre-1980.
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« Reply #36 on: May 20, 2016, 05:34:19 AM »

Didn't Weld support an assault weapons ban in the 90s? DOA at a Libertarian convention.
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« Reply #37 on: May 20, 2016, 09:38:42 AM »

Didn't Weld support an assault weapons ban in the 90s? DOA at a Libertarian convention.

Yeah, that was one of his heresies, along with affirmative action, Iraq War support (at least at first), and general cutting deals with his legislature/being a politician. Honestly, though, he was probably the 2nd most small-l libertarian governor in recent memory, next to Johnson.

The question is who radicals will support against him. My guess is that it will be Will Coley, Darryl W. Perry's endorsed VP candidate. He's an interesting combination--a Muslim activist, and a radical libertarian. I don't think he has a chance against Weld at the convention, though.
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« Reply #38 on: May 21, 2016, 11:02:24 AM »

And no one bothers to mention (though a few like above have kind of alluded) that Weld isn't even a libertarian (even "small L") This is about as logical as that time someone called Michael Bloomberg a libertarian.

But eh, whatever. Libertarian Party has always been a joke party.
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