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No, Sanders supporters are just being babies
 
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No, Trump is getting a temporary bounce
 
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SillyAmerican
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« on: May 21, 2016, 03:37:50 PM »

If anyone could blow a surefire win, it would be Hillary. However, Trump is mainly just getting a temporary bounce from the fact that the GOP primary ended before the Dem primary.

Yes. And implicit in the OP's question is a question directed to your comment: why is that? Why is Hillary having trouble closing the deal, given her name, her backing, her experience, etc. etc.? Trump has won his party's nomination, besting 16 other candidates; Hillary has yet to put away a 74 year old socialist from Vermont. In my opinion, that in itself serves to answer the question posed...
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SillyAmerican
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« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2016, 06:45:13 PM »

We must remember expectations were always high. Hillary has been considered an prohibitive favorite for a long time and I remember some of our posters claiming she'll do as well in the primaries as Chuck Schumer in his NY Senate races.

So, even though she's winning against Sanders by a healthy margin, the challenge makes her look weak.

That's one way of characterizing things. But once again, please note the following.

The list of people that Donald Trump has defeated in order to secure the Republican nomination:

Jeb Bush
Ben Carson
Chris Christie
Ted Cruz
Carly Fiorina
Jim Gilmore
Lindsey Graham
Mike Huckabee
Bobby Jindal
John Kasich
George Pataki
Rand Paul
Rick Perry
Marco Rubio
Rick Santorum
Scott Walker

The list of people that Hillary Clinton is trying to defeat in order to secure the Democratic nomination:

Bernie Sanders

The challenge isn't what's making her look weak, it's the starting point of this election cycle and the nature of the challenger, that's what's making her look weak.
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SillyAmerican
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« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2016, 01:13:48 AM »

We must remember expectations were always high. Hillary has been considered an prohibitive favorite for a long time and I remember some of our posters claiming she'll do as well in the primaries as Chuck Schumer in his NY Senate races.

So, even though she's winning against Sanders by a healthy margin, the challenge makes her look weak.

That's one way of characterizing things. But once again, please note the following.

The list of people that Donald Trump has defeated in order to secure the Republican nomination:

Jeb Bush
Ben Carson
Chris Christie
Ted Cruz
Carly Fiorina
Jim Gilmore
Lindsey Graham
Mike Huckabee
Bobby Jindal
John Kasich
George Pataki
Rand Paul
Rick Perry
Marco Rubio
Rick Santorum
Scott Walker

The list of people that Hillary Clinton is trying to defeat in order to secure the Democratic nomination:

Bernie Sanders

The challenge isn't what's making her look weak, it's the starting point of this election cycle and the nature of the challenger, that's what's making her look weak.

So you include Jim Gilmore and George Pataki on the Republican side, but omit Lincoln Chafee, Jim Webb, Martin O'Malley, and Larry Lessig?

Sorry, you're absolutely right, I should have definitely included Lincoln Chafee, Jim Webb, Martin O'Malley, and Larry Lessig on the Dem side of things. But you have to admit, the surprise over Donald Trump having locked up the GOP nomination at this point, that is matched only by the surprise over Hillary Clinton having not locked up the Dem nomination by now. I believe the reason for this is that the anti-establishment sentiment is running very strong within both major parties, but I could be completely off base.
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SillyAmerican
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« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2016, 07:11:41 AM »

Perhaps The Young Turks gives the answer...
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