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« Reply #50 on: June 24, 2016, 11:41:13 PM »

Some good stuff in there, though that's a bummer about fracking.
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« Reply #51 on: June 24, 2016, 11:53:23 PM »

Carbon tax is a pretty interesting thing for Sanders to pick up on. I'd have assumed the carbon tax would be a bit too ... Ezra Klein-esque progressivism (rather than Sanders' moral crusade style).

Still provably for the best it wasn't included in the platform. Attack ads, innit
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« Reply #52 on: June 24, 2016, 11:56:24 PM »

Some good stuff in there, though that's a bummer about fracking.

That's funny because fracking and guns are the two issues where I support Clinton more. I was more bummed on the other two, especially TPP. Yet overall I'm pretty happy with what we have so far.
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« Reply #53 on: June 25, 2016, 12:10:20 AM »

I'm pretty bummed about the DNC's embracement of the TPP. Guess they needed some corporatist stuff to keep their donors satisfied.
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« Reply #54 on: June 25, 2016, 12:13:34 AM »

LOL @ the outrage of fake Democrats.
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« Reply #55 on: June 25, 2016, 12:39:57 AM »

Fair proposals being accepted in the draft.
An, albeit expected, humiliating development that the environment is again thrown under the bus.
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« Reply #56 on: June 25, 2016, 12:49:30 AM »

Some good stuff in there, though that's a bummer about fracking.

That's funny because fracking and guns are the two issues where I support Clinton more. I was more bummed on the other two, especially TPP. Yet overall I'm pretty happy with what we have so far.

No surprise on TPP. They're not going to give Obama the middle finger at the convention to choose his successor.
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« Reply #57 on: June 25, 2016, 12:51:41 AM »

Awesome news!
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« Reply #58 on: June 25, 2016, 01:47:40 AM »

Absolutely they threw Climate Change under the bus. 30 years now grandsons & grand-daughters will  be asking - How did you f*** up?

Amendments Rejected -

Any Keystone type pipeline to be rejected in future - Rejected
Moratorium on Fracking - Rejected
Tax on Carbon - Rejected
Something like limit on % of Fossil fuel that could be extracted - Rejected

Many more climate amendments rejected.

Glass Steagal would never happen. Wall Street firms  will look @ it as doomsday - They would never accept Investment Banking, Commercial Banking & Insurance to be separated. 15$ Wage was the easiest to go here.

TPP is a bummer considering Sanders was against it & Clinton pretended ton - Should have been easy considering Trump would gain traction if Clinton didn't oppose it. But such a mild position shows TPP is coming in the 1st year of a Clinton administration.

Sanders has been going out strongly for free tuition in college saying it's almost a deal breaker for endorsement. Let us see if Clinton budges because it is one of the least expensive & easy to get money for, much easier to implement than Medicare for all!
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« Reply #59 on: June 25, 2016, 01:57:09 AM »

This is a very good start. A couple of more significant pushes on Climate Change and Trade Agreements and it's good to go.
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« Reply #60 on: June 25, 2016, 02:03:28 AM »

Absolutely they threw Climate Change under the bus. 30 years now grandsons & grand-daughters will  be asking - How did you f*** up?

Amendments Rejected -

Any Keystone type pipeline to be rejected in future - Rejected
Moratorium on Fracking - Rejected
Tax on Carbon - Rejected
Something like limit on % of Fossil fuel that could be extracted - Rejected

Many more climate amendments rejected.

Glass Steagal would never happen. Wall Street firms  will look @ it as doomsday - They would never accept Investment Banking, Commercial Banking & Insurance to be separated. 15$ Wage was the easiest to go here.

TPP is a bummer considering Sanders was against it & Clinton pretended ton - Should have been easy considering Trump would gain traction if Clinton didn't oppose it. But such a mild position shows TPP is coming in the 1st year of a Clinton administration.

Sanders has been going out strongly for free tuition in college saying it's almost a deal breaker for endorsement. Let us see if Clinton budges because it is one of the least expensive & easy to get money for, much easier to implement than Medicare for all!

It's amazing how little the conservadems are giving on some platform that no one reads. They enjoy kicking progressive butt even when it doesn't matter.
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« Reply #61 on: June 25, 2016, 02:11:45 AM »
« Edited: June 25, 2016, 02:14:37 AM by Shadows »

Absolutely they threw Climate Change under the bus. 30 years now grandsons & grand-daughters will  be asking - How did you f*** up?

Amendments Rejected -

Any Keystone type pipeline to be rejected in future - Rejected
Moratorium on Fracking - Rejected
Tax on Carbon - Rejected
Something like limit on % of Fossil fuel that could be extracted - Rejected

Many more climate amendments rejected.

Glass Steagal would never happen. Wall Street firms  will look @ it as doomsday - They would never accept Investment Banking, Commercial Banking & Insurance to be separated. 15$ Wage was the easiest to go here.

TPP is a bummer considering Sanders was against it & Clinton pretended ton - Should have been easy considering Trump would gain traction if Clinton didn't oppose it. But such a mild position shows TPP is coming in the 1st year of a Clinton administration.

Sanders has been going out strongly for free tuition in college saying it's almost a deal breaker for endorsement. Let us see if Clinton budges because it is one of the least expensive & easy to get money for, much easier to implement than Medicare for all!

It's amazing how little the conservadems are giving on some platform that no one reads. They enjoy kicking progressive butt even when it doesn't matter.

Mckibben has given his life to Climate Change & is such a humble soft-spoken decent guy & he got 0. Ironically Hillary Climate Champion, Carol Browner shot down. Almost all amendments got shot down 6-7, 1 more vote would have done it.

McKibben obviously as an environmentalist abstained from supporting the platform.

Dr. West also abstained as it was so weak on Climate Change, Occupation/Settlement in Palestine & no long term goal of a Medicare for all.

Video -  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R713OylyhIg

Not sure about the 15$ Minimum Wage as in the video it looks like they voted against 15, need more clarity on that one.

Anti-TPP, Free tuition & atleast 1 big concession on Fracking or Carbon Tax or some strong Climate proposal needs to be there IMO for Sanders to come around - How can he support this when the greatest catastrophe according to him in Climate Change has been shoved down!

Edit - McKibben changed his mind & probably voted to push through, West only one to abstain!
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« Reply #62 on: June 25, 2016, 07:00:09 PM »
« Edited: June 25, 2016, 07:02:45 PM by True Federalist »

The following has been accepted for the platform:
- Abolition of the death penalty
- Expansion of Social Security
- Raise minimum wage to $15/hour and index it (referring to the current minimum wage of $7.25 an hour as a "starvation wage")
- Updated and modernized version of Glass-Steagall
- Two-state solution of the Israel-Palestinian conflict that guarantees Israel's security with recognized borders and provides the Palestinians with independence, sovereignty, and dignity.

Following has been rejected:
- Opposition to TPP
- Tax on carbon
- National moratorium on fracking

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Not everything that I would have wanted, but not an awful start.

$7.25 is a starvation wage?  That may be true in some areas, but around here that would be a barely adequate wage for a full time job that a single person could live a spartan lifestyle on. I do payroll accounting in my current job, so I have some idea of what wage rates are like. Even in retail jobs around here, one can find jobs that pay better than the minimum wage. Anyone stuck at $7.25/hr year after year is probably being overpaid.

Not that I don't think the minimum wage shouldn't be increased, but $15/hr as a national minimum wage is sheer lunacy, and so is the idea that minimum wage should be a living wage as opposed to a spartan wage.
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« Reply #63 on: June 25, 2016, 07:17:35 PM »

The 15 dollar minimum wage indexed to inflation is not in the draft. Ellison's amendment was defeated.
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« Reply #64 on: June 25, 2016, 09:47:03 PM »

Platform also calls for a repeal of the Hyde Amendment. Awesome to see we are moving away from the sacred cow of "no muh federal funds for abortion".
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« Reply #65 on: June 26, 2016, 01:29:11 AM »

Platform also calls for a repeal of the Hyde Amendment. Awesome to see we are moving away from the sacred cow of "no muh federal funds for abortion".

Abortion is about the only issue Democrats don't totally suck on.
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« Reply #66 on: June 26, 2016, 01:41:50 AM »

Platform also calls for a repeal of the Hyde Amendment. Awesome to see we are moving away from the sacred cow of "no muh federal funds for abortion".

Good luck ever getting that through Congress.
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« Reply #67 on: June 26, 2016, 01:50:30 AM »

I don't think TPP was ever really going to happen, mostly because of Obama and his support of the agreement. They probably don't want to rebuke their own sitting President like that.
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« Reply #68 on: June 26, 2016, 03:00:01 AM »

Very dissapointed about the lack of climate change measures. To my mind, that should be the #1 issue of the left.
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« Reply #69 on: June 26, 2016, 03:18:01 AM »

Platform also calls for a repeal of the Hyde Amendment. Awesome to see we are moving away from the sacred cow of "no muh federal funds for abortion".

Good luck ever getting that through Congress.
None of this will ever get through Congress. It's the party platform.
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« Reply #70 on: June 26, 2016, 04:13:45 AM »

Platform also calls for a repeal of the Hyde Amendment. Awesome to see we are moving away from the sacred cow of "no muh federal funds for abortion".

Good luck ever getting that through Congress.
None of this will ever get through Congress. It's the party platform.

Yeah, we're talking about something that no one ever reads. And yet the third way still enjous crushing progressives even when it doesn't matter.
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« Reply #71 on: June 26, 2016, 05:34:12 AM »

Platform also calls for a repeal of the Hyde Amendment. Awesome to see we are moving away from the sacred cow of "no muh federal funds for abortion".

Good luck ever getting that through Congress.
None of this will ever get through Congress. It's the party platform.

Yeah, we're talking about something that no one ever reads. And yet the third way still enjous crushing progressives even when it doesn't matter.

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« Reply #72 on: June 26, 2016, 05:50:35 AM »

West? Seriously?

Ok, we can admit that both Hilldog and Bernard have bad judgement. Therefore: #TRUMP2016
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« Reply #73 on: June 26, 2016, 07:40:44 AM »

Other measures they rejected -

Asking US to not support Fossil fuel industry abroad
NO use on Eminent Domain for Fossil fuel


Huge slap about Climate Change. Funny how Browner, Clinton's Climate Champion is apparently a lobbyist for a  fossil fuel firm. Wendy Sherman is also a lobbyist for a firm which represents Dow, Saudi Arabia, Wal Mart. What can you expect from these lobbyists that Clinton appointed?

In another good news, they apparently de-criminalized Marijuana & will push the states for legalization. This is good news (as in this was adopted in the platform).

What Sanders got -

15$ Minimum Wage
Some Clawback on Israel-Palestine balance
Abolishing Death Penalty
De criminalize Marijuana
Modern version of Glass Steagal
Expansion of Social Security

What he did not get -

Medicare for all
Plight of the people of Palestine (rebuild Gaza,  oppose settlements)
Opposition to TPP
Free Tuition in Public Colleges
Moratorium on Fracking
Carbon Tax

I think Sanders got a fair bit of mostly small things but on the larger stuff - Climate Change, Healthcare, Education, Trade, Foreign Policy, his concerns were not taken care of.

He has to push IMO on TPP, Free College & either one of Fracking or Carbon Tax
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« Reply #74 on: June 26, 2016, 08:19:32 AM »

Seriously, though, why did the DNC take such an anti-environmental turn?  Who's funding these hacks?
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