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Question: ...do you think she would have lost to McCain in 2008 as well?
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madelka
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« on: May 25, 2016, 08:24:58 PM »

Yes. Assuming she loses to Trump in November, Democrats can thank God that they nominated Obama in 2008.
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« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2016, 08:27:04 PM »

Given the recession, John Edwards post-scandal could have won
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« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2016, 08:28:03 PM »

No. Any Democrat would have beaten any Republican in 2008.

The same or vice versa cannot be said about this year.
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« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2016, 11:19:05 PM »

No, the economic collapse would've guaranteed any remotely credible Democratic candidate a win, and even a non credible one would've had a very good chance.

I still think a competent white male candidate could've gotten a double digit PV and 400+ EV vote win in 2008.
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« Reply #4 on: May 26, 2016, 01:37:17 AM »

After market collapse, any Democrat, aside maybe from a fringe candidate, would win the election.
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« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2016, 06:35:23 AM »

No. The recession would have boned the Republicans either way.
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« Reply #6 on: July 07, 2016, 12:38:23 PM »

Clinton still would've defeated McCain in 2008. If anything, the map would be a bit different than in RL, with Clinton easily picking up Missouri, West Virginia, Arkansas, and maybe Tennessee, Kentucky, and Louisiana. On the other hand, I have McCain picking up Colorado, Iowa, Indiana, and North Carolina. Virginia and Ohio also might have been a bit closer in a Clinton vs McCain race, but I still see Clinton carrying both.
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« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2016, 01:48:54 PM »

Clinton still would've defeated McCain in 2008. If anything, the map would be a bit different than in RL, with Clinton easily picking up Missouri, West Virginia, Arkansas, and maybe Tennessee, Kentucky, and Louisiana. On the other hand, I have McCain picking up Colorado, Iowa, Indiana, and North Carolina. Virginia and Ohio also might have been a bit closer in a Clinton vs McCain race, but I still see Clinton carrying both.
I don't think Clinton would win Arkansas unless she got more appeal to Blue Dogs without alienating the progressives who supported Halter in 2010.
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« Reply #8 on: July 07, 2016, 09:16:46 PM »

Clinton still would've defeated McCain in 2008. If anything, the map would be a bit different than in RL, with Clinton easily picking up Missouri, West Virginia, Arkansas, and maybe Tennessee, Kentucky, and Louisiana. On the other hand, I have McCain picking up Colorado, Iowa, Indiana, and North Carolina. Virginia and Ohio also might have been a bit closer in a Clinton vs McCain race, but I still see Clinton carrying both.
I don't think Clinton would win Arkansas unless she got more appeal to Blue Dogs without alienating the progressives who supported Halter in 2010.
Arkansas would have been a tough state for Hillary Clinton in 2008, but I feel that it is plausible for her to have carried it due to her past connections to the state and also due to the economic collapse and subsequent recession in 2008. Tennessee, Louisiana, and Kentucky also would have been tough states for Clinton as well, but I feel she would have had a chance in all three if she ran a strong enough campaign and framed her campaign in a way that appealed to Blue Dog Democrats.
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« Reply #9 on: July 07, 2016, 09:54:15 PM »

No, just because a candidate won/lost in one election doesn't mean they would have lost in a past or future election.
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« Reply #10 on: July 07, 2016, 11:09:15 PM »

Clinton still would've defeated McCain in 2008. If anything, the map would be a bit different than in RL, with Clinton easily picking up Missouri, West Virginia, Arkansas, and maybe Tennessee, Kentucky, and Louisiana. On the other hand, I have McCain picking up Colorado, Iowa, Indiana, and North Carolina. Virginia and Ohio also might have been a bit closer in a Clinton vs McCain race, but I still see Clinton carrying both.
I don't think Clinton would win Arkansas unless she got more appeal to Blue Dogs without alienating the progressives who supported Halter in 2010.
Arkansas would have been a tough state for Hillary Clinton in 2008, but I feel that it is plausible for her to have carried it due to her past connections to the state and also due to the economic collapse and subsequent recession in 2008. Tennessee, Louisiana, and Kentucky also would have been tough states for Clinton as well, but I feel she would have had a chance in all three if she ran a strong enough campaign and framed her campaign in a way that appealed to Blue Dog Democrats.
Maybe with Bayh or Beebe on the ticket, but even then there are a few labor progressives who might vote Nader or Green or are moderate enough to consider McCain. I just don't see Clinton carrying Obama's 2008 coalition plus enough votes to win Arkansas.

This is the only way I see her carrying Arkansas:

335: Senator Hillary Clinton/Governor Mike Beebe - 52.4%
203: Senator John McCain/Miami-Dade Mayor Carlos Alvarez - 45.6%
Others - 2.0%
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