Trump

[jman123]

My friend lives in a predominately hispanic neighborhood. He supports Trump and he wants to put up a Trump sign on his window. Does this put him at risk for violence or vandalism or could hispanics care less?

[Virginiá]

Maybe. Why do it? He would just be asking for trouble. Regardless though, I doubt it would stay up for long.

Example: http://www.wrcbtv.com/story/31419153/update-3-arrested-for-pulling-gun-on-donald-trump-supporter

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[Dr. Arch]

Sure, why not? But if he wants to be really snappy, I have some more suggestions:

1) Move into an African-American neighborhood and hang some white hoods in front
2) Move into a predominantly Jewish neighborhood and put up some Nazi flags
3) Move into an area with a good number of white supremacists and put up a Black Lives Matter sign.

There are many more creative options. Up to him.

[Lyin' Steve]

If he wants to put the sign up in his window, he should do it.  End of story.

Maybe. Why do it? He would just be asking for trouble.

That's exactly why he should do it.  Nobody should be intimidated out of free political expression in this country due to fear of violence.  It's disgusting that so many on the left are using weak, over-reaching excuses about desperately perceived race hate as an excuse to engage in violence and hate speech, and that this is being passively condoned by the party and the media rather than called out for what it is and strongly condemned as it should be.

Sure, why not? But if he wants to be really snappy, I have some more suggestions:

1) Move into an African-American neighborhood and hang some white hoods in front
2) Move into a predominantly Jewish neighborhood and put up some Nazi flags
3) Move into an area with a good number of white supremacists and put up a Black Lives Matter sign.

There are many more creative options. Up to him.

Only #3 is really comparable.  I know HuffPo has been drilling it into your brain, but Trump isn't equivalent to the nazis or the KKK.  Saying you want to deport illegal immigrants, who happen to mostly be in a particular ethnic group, is not even close to equivalent to saying you want to deport all members of that ethnic group (as the media portrays his positions), much less that you hate or even dislike people in that ethnic group (as people on the internet portray his positions), much less that you want to commit violent acts or even murder or genocide against people in that ethnic group (the comparison you are making).

[Dr. Arch]

If he wants to put the sign up in his window, he should do it.  End of story.

Maybe. Why do it? He would just be asking for trouble.

That's exactly why he should do it.  Nobody should be intimidated out of free political expression in this country due to fear of violence.  It's disgusting that so many on the left are using weak, over-reaching excuses about desperately perceived race hate as an excuse to engage in violence and hate speech, and that this is being passively condoned by the party and the media rather than called out for what it is and strongly condemned as it should be.

Sure, why not? But if he wants to be really snappy, I have some more suggestions:

1) Move into an African-American neighborhood and hang some white hoods in front
2) Move into a predominantly Jewish neighborhood and put up some Nazi flags
3) Move into an area with a good number of white supremacists and put up a Black Lives Matter sign.

There are many more creative options. Up to him.

Only #3 is really comparable.  I know HuffPo has been drilling it into your brain, but Trump isn't equivalent to the nazis or the KKK.  Saying you want to deport illegal immigrants, who happen to mostly be in a particular ethnic group, is not even close to equivalent to saying you want to deport all members of that ethnic group (as the media says), much less that you hate or even dislike people in that ethnic group (as people on Facebook say), much less that you want to commit violent acts or even murder or genocide against people in that ethnic group (the comparison you are making).

Try being a part of such ethnic group and participating in its community before you draw such judgements. This is a gross over-generalization of what Trump is proporting and completely ignores what he is representing. When people's friends and family members are referred to as "rapists, murderers" and that they're "bringing crime" by a presidential candidate with international headlines, he becomes more than just a hard-line politician who wants to have a strict immigration policy.

Not only is he treading on the foundation of our nation as a country of immigrants and being a hypocrite for being one of those job creators that enables illegal immigration to begin with, he has become a symbol for broad ignorance and proudly carries the flag of such. He represents all of the vile and nasty elements that many (BOTH CITIZENS AND NOT) in our communities have been fighting now for decades.

It's not so much what he proposes as what he symbolizes. That's what Nazi flags and KKK hoods are, symbols, and symbols mean different things to different people depending on their viewpoints.

[Virginiá]

Maybe. Why do it? He would just be asking for trouble.

That's exactly why he should do it.  Nobody should be intimidated out of free political expression in this country due to fear of violence.  It's disgusting that so many on the left are using weak, over-reaching excuses about desperately perceived race hate as an excuse to engage in violence and hate speech, and that this is being passively condoned by the party and the media rather than called out for what it is and strongly condemned as it should be.

Honestly, Trump is really a terrible person to take a stand over. However, I do understand your point that there is a bigger picture here.

Does everyone need to take a stand all the time? He would have a very high likelihood of inviting trouble that he may either not be prepared to deal with, or even want to.

Really I'm just saying there are going to be problems because of it. At the very least, this guy needs to understand that.

[SillyAmerican]

If he wants to put the sign up in his window, he should do it.  End of story.

Maybe. Why do it? He would just be asking for trouble.

That's exactly why he should do it.  Nobody should be intimidated out of free political expression in this country due to fear of violence.  It's disgusting that so many on the left are using weak, over-reaching excuses about desperately perceived race hate as an excuse to engage in violence and hate speech, and that this is being passively condoned by the party and the media rather than called out for what it is and strongly condemned as it should be.

Sure, why not? But if he wants to be really snappy, I have some more suggestions:

1) Move into an African-American neighborhood and hang some white hoods in front
2) Move into a predominantly Jewish neighborhood and put up some Nazi flags
3) Move into an area with a good number of white supremacists and put up a Black Lives Matter sign.

There are many more creative options. Up to him.

Only #3 is really comparable.  I know HuffPo has been drilling it into your brain, but Trump isn't equivalent to the nazis or the KKK.  Saying you want to deport illegal immigrants, who happen to mostly be in a particular ethnic group, is not even close to equivalent to saying you want to deport all members of that ethnic group (as the media says), much less that you hate or even dislike people in that ethnic group (as people on Facebook say), much less that you want to commit violent acts or even murder or genocide against people in that ethnic group (the comparison you are making).

Try being a part of such ethnic group and participating in its community before you draw such judgements. This is a gross over-generalization of what Trump is proporting and completely ignores what he is representing. When people's friends and family members are referred to as "rapists, murderers" and that they're "bringing crime" by a presidential candidate with international headlines, he becomes more than just a hard-line politician who wants to have a strict immigration policy.

Not only is he treading on the foundation of our nation as a country of immigrants and being a hypocrite for being one of those job creators that enables illegal immigration to begin with, he has become a symbol for broad ignorance and proudly carries the flag of such. He represents all of the vile and nasty elements that many (BOTH CITIZENS AND NOT) in our communities have been fighting now for decades.

It's not so much what he proposes as what he symbolizes. That's what Nazi flags and KKK hoods are, symbols, and symbols mean different things to different people depending on their viewpoints.

Now, we're supposed to think twice about having a yard sign or bumper sticker that doesn't say Hillary Clinton? Come on!

And for the record, yes, Trump is guilty of over-generalizing when it comes to saying all illegal immigrants from Mexico are rapists and murderers, but folks should think twice before believing that there's not a problem, because clearly there is.

[Sbane]

If he wants to put the sign up in his window, he should do it.  End of story.

Maybe. Why do it? He would just be asking for trouble.

That's exactly why he should do it.  Nobody should be intimidated out of free political expression in this country due to fear of violence.  It's disgusting that so many on the left are using weak, over-reaching excuses about desperately perceived race hate as an excuse to engage in violence and hate speech, and that this is being passively condoned by the party and the media rather than called out for what it is and strongly condemned as it should be.

Sure, why not? But if he wants to be really snappy, I have some more suggestions:

1) Move into an African-American neighborhood and hang some white hoods in front
2) Move into a predominantly Jewish neighborhood and put up some Nazi flags
3) Move into an area with a good number of white supremacists and put up a Black Lives Matter sign.

There are many more creative options. Up to him.

Only #3 is really comparable.  I know HuffPo has been drilling it into your brain, but Trump isn't equivalent to the nazis or the KKK.  Saying you want to deport illegal immigrants, who happen to mostly be in a particular ethnic group, is not even close to equivalent to saying you want to deport all members of that ethnic group (as the media says), much less that you hate or even dislike people in that ethnic group (as people on Facebook say), much less that you want to commit violent acts or even murder or genocide against people in that ethnic group (the comparison you are making).

Try being a part of such ethnic group and participating in its community before you draw such judgements. This is a gross over-generalization of what Trump is proporting and completely ignores what he is representing. When people's friends and family members are referred to as "rapists, murderers" and that they're "bringing crime" by a presidential candidate with international headlines, he becomes more than just a hard-line politician who wants to have a strict immigration policy.

Not only is he treading on the foundation of our nation as a country of immigrants and being a hypocrite for being one of those job creators that enables illegal immigration to begin with, he has become a symbol for broad ignorance and proudly carries the flag of such. He represents all of the vile and nasty elements that many (BOTH CITIZENS AND NOT) in our communities have been fighting now for decades.

It's not so much what he proposes as what he symbolizes. That's what Nazi flags and KKK hoods are, symbols, and symbols mean different things to different people depending on their viewpoints.

Now, we're supposed to think twice about having a yard sign or bumper sticker that doesn't say Hillary Clinton? Come on!

And for the record, yes, Trump is guilty of over-generalizing when it comes to saying all illegal immigrants from Mexico are rapists and murderers, but folks should think twice before believing that there's not a problem, because clearly there is.

Are they statistically more likely to commit crimes than any other group? Of course some illegals are going to be criminals, or do stupid things like drink and drive and cause accidents..etc.

[LLR]

Are they statistically more likely to commit crimes than any other group? Of course some illegals are going to be criminals, or do stupid things like drink and drive and cause accidents..etc.

I believe they have been shown to be less likely to commit crimes, actually.

[Wisconsin+17]

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Hillary could score a lot of cheap points by supporting deportation for everyone in the country who commits a crime and is found to be here illegally.

If they are breaking crimes, they don't need to be here. At the same time, she'd be affirming her position that, "if you're willing to follow the laws of the US, you can come, work, live, etc).

[Lyin' Steve]

Try being a part of such ethnic group and participating in its community before you draw such judgements. This is a gross over-generalization of what Trump is proporting and completely ignores what he is representing. When people's friends and family members are referred to as "rapists, murderers" and that they're "bringing crime" by a presidential candidate with international headlines, he becomes more than just a hard-line politician who wants to have a strict immigration policy.

People insult the KKK all the time but although I too am white I don't feel personally offended or threatened by it.  Neither should hispanics feel personally offended or threatened by rhetoric against illegal immigration.  Both groups are criminal subsets of the population that just happen to be dominated by a particular ethnic group.  If someone went on TV and said the KKK were a bunch of rapists and murderers I would say, yes that's right they are, not go "oh no, he said something mean about some white people, all my white friends and family members are being threatened."  If hispanics insist on taking it to mean them anyway that's their problem, not Trump's.

Not only is he treading on the foundation of our nation as a country of immigrants and being a hypocrite for being one of those job creators that enables illegal immigration to begin with, he has become a symbol for broad ignorance and proudly carries the flag of such. He represents all of the vile and nasty elements that many (BOTH CITIZENS AND NOT) in our communities have been fighting now for decades.

Our country is a nation of immigrants, not a nation of illegal immigrants.  You and Hillary can keep trying to pretend that he's talking about all immigrants, and you may convince a lot of easily-misled people, but you won't convince me.  I wonder if our politics will ever get to the point where you can't just repeat a lie until it becomes a truth anymore?

It's not so much what he proposes as what he symbolizes. That's what Nazi flags and KKK hoods are, symbols, and symbols mean different things to different people depending on their viewpoints.

Yes but in this case those symbols have some actual reason to mean those things because the KKK actually does commit acts of violence against blacks and the nazis actually did commit the holocaust.  Trump has never done or said anything about hispanics.

Honestly, Trump is really a terrible person to take a stand over. However, I do understand your point that there is a bigger picture here.

Does everyone need to take a stand all the time? He would have a very high likelihood of inviting trouble that he may either not be prepared to deal with, or even want to.

Really I'm just saying there are going to be problems because of it. At the very least, this guy needs to understand that.

It's not exactly taking a stand, the man is running even with Hillary Clinton in the race to be the next president.  Regardless of what you think about him it's not "taking a stand" to support him anymore than putting up an Obama sign in 2008 in a neighborhood full of Republicans would have been taking a stand.  Maybe it's a little gutsy because you're letting your neighbors know you're not like them and you might get in some debates while walking your dog, but you shouldn't have to be afraid to do it or feel like you're "taking a stand" or "making problems" or "inviting trouble."

[Fuzzy Bear]

Sure, why not? But if he wants to be really snappy, I have some more suggestions:

1) Move into an African-American neighborhood and hang some white hoods in front
2) Move into a predominantly Jewish neighborhood and put up some Nazi flags
3) Move into an area with a good number of white supremacists and put up a Black Lives Matter sign.

There are many more creative options. Up to him.

To compare this situation to 1) and 2) here is ridiculous.  And if any group of folks would vandalize a house due to a campaign sign, their actions reflect on the group as a whole.  The violence that would occur would not be justified, but would be a result of the worst sort of groupthink come to life.

[Virginiá]

It's not exactly taking a stand, the man is running even with Hillary Clinton in the race to be the next president.  Regardless of what you think about him it's not "taking a stand" to support him anymore than putting up an Obama sign in 2008 in a neighborhood full of Republicans would have been taking a stand.  Maybe it's a little gutsy because you're letting your neighbors know you're not like them and you might get in some debates while walking your dog, but you shouldn't have to be afraid to do it or feel like you're "taking a stand" or "making problems" or "inviting trouble."

I didn't mean it like it was Obama v McCain. This is Trump we are talking about, and the guy is wanting to put up a sign in a majority Hispanic neighborhood. Hispanics may not have liked McCain much, but Trump is absolutely hated by them. The vitriol is unreal. There is a reason people are practically rioting at his events.

So yes, if this was 2008/2012, I'd say whatever, but it isn't. There have already been cases where open Trump support in the wrong places has invited trouble, as I posted above. Not saying people will get shot or threatened with violence, but the effects will not be positive.

[Orthogonian Society Treasurer]

Maybe. Why do it? He would just be asking for trouble. Regardless though, I doubt it would stay up for long.

Example: http://www.wrcbtv.com/story/31419153/update-3-arrested-for-pulling-gun-on-donald-trump-supporter

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This brought a tear to my eye. Diversity really is a beautiful thing.

[Lyin' Steve]

It's not exactly taking a stand, the man is running even with Hillary Clinton in the race to be the next president.  Regardless of what you think about him it's not "taking a stand" to support him anymore than putting up an Obama sign in 2008 in a neighborhood full of Republicans would have been taking a stand.  Maybe it's a little gutsy because you're letting your neighbors know you're not like them and you might get in some debates while walking your dog, but you shouldn't have to be afraid to do it or feel like you're "taking a stand" or "making problems" or "inviting trouble."

I didn't mean it like it was Obama v McCain. This is Trump we are talking about, and the guy is wanting to put up a sign in a majority Hispanic neighborhood. Hispanics may not have liked McCain much, but Trump is absolutely hated by them. The vitriol is unreal. There is a reason people are practically rioting at his events.

So yes, if this was 2008/2012, I'd say whatever, but it isn't. There have already been cases where open Trump support in the wrong places has invited trouble, as I posted above. Not saying people will get shot or threatened with violence, but the effects will not be positive.

I see.  I agree that as a practical matter he may not want to do it, just for his own safety.  My argument was more about whether it was moral to do it and whether the guy and his views are at fault for inviting violence.

I wouldn't put the sign up, but I put a low value on such things and a high value on my car's paint job.

[Dr. Arch]

Try being a part of such ethnic group and participating in its community before you draw such judgements. This is a gross over-generalization of what Trump is proporting and completely ignores what he is representing. When people's friends and family members are referred to as "rapists, murderers" and that they're "bringing crime" by a presidential candidate with international headlines, he becomes more than just a hard-line politician who wants to have a strict immigration policy.

People insult the KKK all the time but although I too am white I don't feel personally offended or threatened by it.  Neither should hispanics feel personally offended or threatened by rhetoric against illegal immigration.  Both groups are criminal subsets of the population that just happen to be dominated by a particular ethnic group.  If someone went on TV and said the KKK were a bunch of rapists and murderers I would say, yes that's right they are, not go "oh no, he said something mean about some white people, all my white friends and family members are being threatened."  If hispanics insist on taking it to mean them anyway that's their problem, not Trump's.

Not only is he treading on the foundation of our nation as a country of immigrants and being a hypocrite for being one of those job creators that enables illegal immigration to begin with, he has become a symbol for broad ignorance and proudly carries the flag of such. He represents all of the vile and nasty elements that many (BOTH CITIZENS AND NOT) in our communities have been fighting now for decades.

Our country is a nation of immigrants, not a nation of illegal immigrants.  You and Hillary can keep trying to pretend that he's talking about all immigrants, and you may convince a lot of easily-misled people, but you won't convince me.  I wonder if our politics will ever get to the point where you can't just repeat a lie until it becomes a truth anymore?

Yes, yes, on the surface it's about illegal immigration, but those are not the people who are targeted in reality. I've lost count of how many of my brown friends have been called Mexicans, even though they are American from birth and not of a Mexican lineage, and questioned on their citizenship status.

Illegal immigration is the problem, but all Hispanics are the targets. Do you think any of these aggressive characters supporting Trump will actually stop and think about all of the different cultures and races within the Hispanic community? Of course not. What Hillary, most of the Democratic party and sane supporters of immigration policies, and I are saying is that we are all being targeted with a broad brush even though it applies only to a small subset of the group. It only follows that the vile rhetoric also directly affects the entire community.

[Holmes]

That would be incredibly stupid of your friend.

[Meclazine for Israel]

Throw it up.

Make sure he has 12 copies.

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

Sure, why not? But if he wants to be really snappy, I have some more suggestions:

1) Move into an African-American neighborhood and hang some white hoods in front
2) Move into a predominantly Jewish neighborhood and put up some Nazi flags
3) Move into an area with a good number of white supremacists and put up a Black Lives Matter sign.

There are many more creative options. Up to him.

Only #3 is really comparable.  I know HuffPo has been drilling it into your brain, but Trump isn't equivalent to the nazis or the KKK.  Saying you want to deport illegal immigrants, who happen to mostly be in a particular ethnic group, is not even close to equivalent to saying you want to deport all members of that ethnic group (as the media portrays his positions), much less that you hate or even dislike people in that ethnic group (as people on the internet portray his positions), much less that you want to commit violent acts or even murder or genocide against people in that ethnic group (the comparison you are making).

Didn't you caucus for Hillary?  When did you move on to sucking Trump's teet?

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

My friend lives in a predominately hispanic neighborhood. He supports Trump and he wants to put up a Trump sign on his window. Does this put him at risk for violence or vandalism or could hispanics care less?

He should do what his idol would do: sell his house at a loss, move, declare bankruptcy, and then tell everyone what a genius he is.

[Lyin' Steve]

Sure, why not? But if he wants to be really snappy, I have some more suggestions:

1) Move into an African-American neighborhood and hang some white hoods in front
2) Move into a predominantly Jewish neighborhood and put up some Nazi flags
3) Move into an area with a good number of white supremacists and put up a Black Lives Matter sign.

There are many more creative options. Up to him.

Only #3 is really comparable.  I know HuffPo has been drilling it into your brain, but Trump isn't equivalent to the nazis or the KKK.  Saying you want to deport illegal immigrants, who happen to mostly be in a particular ethnic group, is not even close to equivalent to saying you want to deport all members of that ethnic group (as the media portrays his positions), much less that you hate or even dislike people in that ethnic group (as people on the internet portray his positions), much less that you want to commit violent acts or even murder or genocide against people in that ethnic group (the comparison you are making).

Didn't you caucus for Hillary?  When did you move on to sucking Trump's teet?

I am still all in for Hillary.  But that doesn't mean I'm ok with people outright lying to hurt Trump.  And I'm especially not ok with people slandering or degrading his supporters as racists or nazis.  It is possible to discuss politics without being a 100% one-sided hack for one's preferred candidate.

[LLR]

Sure, why not? But if he wants to be really snappy, I have some more suggestions:

1) Move into an African-American neighborhood and hang some white hoods in front
2) Move into a predominantly Jewish neighborhood and put up some Nazi flags
3) Move into an area with a good number of white supremacists and put up a Black Lives Matter sign.

There are many more creative options. Up to him.

Only #3 is really comparable.  I know HuffPo has been drilling it into your brain, but Trump isn't equivalent to the nazis or the KKK.  Saying you want to deport illegal immigrants, who happen to mostly be in a particular ethnic group, is not even close to equivalent to saying you want to deport all members of that ethnic group (as the media portrays his positions), much less that you hate or even dislike people in that ethnic group (as people on the internet portray his positions), much less that you want to commit violent acts or even murder or genocide against people in that ethnic group (the comparison you are making).

Didn't you caucus for Hillary?  When did you move on to sucking Trump's teet?

I am still all in for Hillary.  But that doesn't mean I'm ok with people outright lying to hurt Trump.  And I'm especially not ok with people slandering or degrading his supporters as racists or nazis.  It is possible to discuss politics without being a 100% one-sided hack for one's preferred candidate.

Steve: *gets mad for people comparing Trump to the KKK*
*compares illegal immigrants to the KKK*

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

Try being a part of such ethnic group and participating in its community before you draw such judgements. This is a gross over-generalization of what Trump is proporting and completely ignores what he is representing. When people's friends and family members are referred to as "rapists, murderers" and that they're "bringing crime" by a presidential candidate with international headlines, he becomes more than just a hard-line politician who wants to have a strict immigration policy.

People insult the KKK all the time but although I too am white I don't feel personally offended or threatened by it.  Neither should hispanics feel personally offended or threatened by rhetoric against illegal immigration.  Both groups are criminal subsets of the population that just happen to be dominated by a particular ethnic group.  If someone went on TV and said the KKK were a bunch of rapists and murderers I would say, yes that's right they are, not go "oh no, he said something mean about some white people, all my white friends and family members are being threatened."  If hispanics insist on taking it to mean them anyway that's their problem, not Trump's.

where did this bogus distinction come from, actually? the quote everyone is referring to starts, "when mexico sends its people over," not "when people illegally come from mexico." he explicitly said that mexicans in america are rapists or murderers or whatever.

[Lyin' Steve]

Try being a part of such ethnic group and participating in its community before you draw such judgements. This is a gross over-generalization of what Trump is proporting and completely ignores what he is representing. When people's friends and family members are referred to as "rapists, murderers" and that they're "bringing crime" by a presidential candidate with international headlines, he becomes more than just a hard-line politician who wants to have a strict immigration policy.

People insult the KKK all the time but although I too am white I don't feel personally offended or threatened by it.  Neither should hispanics feel personally offended or threatened by rhetoric against illegal immigration.  Both groups are criminal subsets of the population that just happen to be dominated by a particular ethnic group.  If someone went on TV and said the KKK were a bunch of rapists and murderers I would say, yes that's right they are, not go "oh no, he said something mean about some white people, all my white friends and family members are being threatened."  If hispanics insist on taking it to mean them anyway that's their problem, not Trump's.

where did this bogus distinction come from, actually? the quote everyone is referring to starts, "when mexico sends its people over," not "when people illegally come from mexico." he explicitly said that mexicans in america are rapists or murderers or whatever.

iirc, the context was actually that he was claiming Mexico had a strategy of sending its criminals across the border to empty its jails.

[SillyAmerican]

If he wants to put the sign up in his window, he should do it.  End of story.

Maybe. Why do it? He would just be asking for trouble.

That's exactly why he should do it.  Nobody should be intimidated out of free political expression in this country due to fear of violence.  It's disgusting that so many on the left are using weak, over-reaching excuses about desperately perceived race hate as an excuse to engage in violence and hate speech, and that this is being passively condoned by the party and the media rather than called out for what it is and strongly condemned as it should be.

Sure, why not? But if he wants to be really snappy, I have some more suggestions:

1) Move into an African-American neighborhood and hang some white hoods in front
2) Move into a predominantly Jewish neighborhood and put up some Nazi flags
3) Move into an area with a good number of white supremacists and put up a Black Lives Matter sign.

There are many more creative options. Up to him.

Only #3 is really comparable.  I know HuffPo has been drilling it into your brain, but Trump isn't equivalent to the nazis or the KKK.  Saying you want to deport illegal immigrants, who happen to mostly be in a particular ethnic group, is not even close to equivalent to saying you want to deport all members of that ethnic group (as the media says), much less that you hate or even dislike people in that ethnic group (as people on Facebook say), much less that you want to commit violent acts or even murder or genocide against people in that ethnic group (the comparison you are making).

Try being a part of such ethnic group and participating in its community before you draw such judgements. This is a gross over-generalization of what Trump is proporting and completely ignores what he is representing. When people's friends and family members are referred to as "rapists, murderers" and that they're "bringing crime" by a presidential candidate with international headlines, he becomes more than just a hard-line politician who wants to have a strict immigration policy.

Not only is he treading on the foundation of our nation as a country of immigrants and being a hypocrite for being one of those job creators that enables illegal immigration to begin with, he has become a symbol for broad ignorance and proudly carries the flag of such. He represents all of the vile and nasty elements that many (BOTH CITIZENS AND NOT) in our communities have been fighting now for decades.

It's not so much what he proposes as what he symbolizes. That's what Nazi flags and KKK hoods are, symbols, and symbols mean different things to different people depending on their viewpoints.

Now, we're supposed to think twice about having a yard sign or bumper sticker that doesn't say Hillary Clinton? Come on!

And for the record, yes, Trump is guilty of over-generalizing when it comes to saying all illegal immigrants from Mexico are rapists and murderers, but folks should think twice before believing that there's not a problem, because clearly there is.

Are they statistically more likely to commit crimes than any other group? Of course some illegals are going to be criminals, or do stupid things like drink and drive and cause accidents..etc.

In answer to your question, I'd say "yes", based on the fact that 100% of illegal immigrants have broken the law. See, many like you continue to conveniently ignore one very simple fact: there is a reason why the people we're talking about are called illegal immigrants, and that is that they have broken the law. We should either enforce our laws or change them; ignoring them is simply unacceptable.