Southern Regional Committee

[NeverAgain]

I have deep concerns about two of the additions


9 - Does this mean that children will be voting? They are subjected to taxation if they are purchasing stuff.

10 - What is meant by economic security? I am not a fan of unfunded mandates, doubly so if they are placed within a constitutional framework, as it basically becomes a region's constitutional requirement to go bankrupt.

I don't want courts dictating budgets and fiscal policy.

1. I think the intent is clear that it is adults. I can change it to those of voting age (18) though.

2. Economic security is Social Security for our seniors. Courts do not have to dictate budgets at all. Security in old age is a right, and this government must provide adequate security for our Seniors in their old age; I believe that we should uphold that in our Bill of Rights.

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There is my final draft.

[Wisconsin+17]

Mobile should be the capitol for historical, central location and ease of protection from invasion.

[tmthforu94]

I support the changes NeverAgain made.

After doing some research, I think the capitol should be decided based on research and what is best in terms of fiscal responsibility and economic impact.

[tmthforu94]

It would be nice to get the participation to wrap this up in the next couple of days. Does this need to be ratified by Southern citizens before it is officially adopted?

I think we should aim to have our Governor and Regional Legislature elections next weekend (July 1st-3rd). That being said, I do understand that is a 4th of July weekend. I worry about starting the election this weekend - by the time we actually agreed on it, we could be looking at only a few hours before the booth opened. We could also do it the week after July 4th, but I feel like that is waiting too long. Besides, what is more patriotic than voting??

[President of the great nation of 🏳️‍⚧️]

Next weekend sounds good to me. If we take the route of allowing citizens to ratify, I would support it occurring alongside the Southern elections.

[Leinad]

Shame on me for skimming--I also agree with Yankee about economic security. While all people should have economic security, it is hard to make the case that government-funded economic security is a constitutional right, when government only gets funds from taxation (something that, morally, is at best a necessary evil). Besides, this will, indeed, give the judicial branch a window into controlling fiscal policy.

Also, is #9 even necessary, or enforceable? I mean, this is Atlasia, where the voters are not taxed (at least, not in real life) and the taxpayers, being non-playable, don't vote.

Does this need to be ratified by Southern citizens before it is officially adopted?

The Constitution did not specifically say how we adopt it, so I presume a vote by us would do. That being said, it would be nice to open it to a region-wide referendum.


We are not yet done, though. A few things we have not yet determined:

-When Legislative elections are to happen. Presumably this is every odd-numbered month, starting with July, for two-month terms.

-When the Gubernatorial election is to happen. Tmth seems to want a Mar/Jul/Nov setup, and while we will definitely have an election in July, the old South, for reference, had Apr/Aug/Dec elections. Of course, we could also discuss how long we want Gubernatorial terms to be, but I think we generally agree on 4 months.

-What we will call the Legislature. I like "Chamber of Delegates."

I think we forgot something else, too, but I can't recall what it was right now.

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-When Legislative elections are to happen. Presumably this is every odd-numbered month, starting with July, for two-month terms.

That sounds okay to me.

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I think if we have it parallel to the old south, we should have the elections alongside Class II Senate elections, with legislative elections being held alongside either Senate seat's. But if we decide on a Jan/Mar/May/Jul/Sep/Nov cycle (Legislature-only elections italicized), that's fine with me.

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Chamber of Delegates has a nice ring to it, although everybody seems to be using Assembly instead.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

My record of "socialist daliences" stands for itself. I am perfectly willing to support gurrantees of economic security through legislative means, but not in the constitution, certainly not in the constitution of a region, which lacks the extensive resources and support of the Federal Gov't. Working through budget policy, you can negotiate and recieve federal assistance. A constitutional mandate is continual and ongoing and if the Feds don't come through, everything else has to get sacrificed, from education to infrastructure.

I don't think that is a responsbile to approach to structuring a constitution and therefore there is no way I can support clause 10.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I do agree with the moving switfully for the Governor and Legislative elections and also I agree with Leinad that we should if practical, put this to a vote of the people.

[tmthforu94]

It seems like the first eight clauses are acceptable to everyone. After NeverAgain makes his response to this (if he chooses), I motion to vote on clauses 9 and 10 seperately.

[NeverAgain]

It seems like the first eight clauses are acceptable to everyone. After NeverAgain makes his response to this (if he chooses), I motion to vote on clauses 9 and 10 seperately.

I plan to. I have been packing and such for an upcoming trip, of which I am taking a flight on right now. I will work on my rebuttals while on the plane. Sorry for the delay!

[tmthforu94]

It seems like the first eight clauses are acceptable to everyone. After NeverAgain makes his response to this (if he chooses), I motion to vote on clauses 9 and 10 seperately.

I plan to. I have been packing and such for an upcoming trip, of which I am taking a flight on right now. I will work on my rebuttals while on the plane. Sorry for the delay!

No worries!

Does anyone else have nominations for regional capitol and name?

So far we just have mine and Ben Kenobi's.

Name:
Southern Region or South Region

Capitol:
Nashville, Tennessee
Mobile, Alabama

[President of the great nation of 🏳️‍⚧️]

It seems like the first eight clauses are acceptable to everyone. After NeverAgain makes his response to this (if he chooses), I motion to vote on clauses 9 and 10 seperately.

I plan to. I have been packing and such for an upcoming trip, of which I am taking a flight on right now. I will work on my rebuttals while on the plane. Sorry for the delay!

No worries!

Does anyone else have nominations for regional capitol and name?

So far we just have mine and Ben Kenobi's.

Name:
Southern Region or South Region

Capitol:
Nashville, Tennessee
Mobile, Alabama

I kinda like Meridiem for the name. As for the capitAl, I prefer Nashville.

[tmthforu94]

It seems like the first eight clauses are acceptable to everyone. After NeverAgain makes his response to this (if he chooses), I motion to vote on clauses 9 and 10 seperately.

I plan to. I have been packing and such for an upcoming trip, of which I am taking a flight on right now. I will work on my rebuttals while on the plane. Sorry for the delay!

No worries!

Does anyone else have nominations for regional capitol and name?

So far we just have mine and Ben Kenobi's.

Name:
Southern Region or South Region

Capitol:
Nashville, Tennessee
Mobile, Alabama

I kinda like Meridiem for the name. As for the capitAl, I prefer Nashville.

Noon?

[President of the great nation of 🏳️‍⚧️]

I kinda like Meridiem for the name. As for the capitAl, I prefer Nashville.

Noon?

I was thinking south, but yeah, I guess it also means noon.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I kinda like Meridiem for the name. As for the capitAl, I prefer Nashville.

Noon?

I was thinking south, but yeah, I guess it also means noon.

I'd wager that would be rather confusing for new players, no?

[Leinad]

It seems like the first eight clauses are acceptable to everyone. After NeverAgain makes his response to this (if he chooses), I motion to vote on clauses 9 and 10 seperately.

Good idea, I second the motion.

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I think if we have it parallel to the old south, we should have the elections alongside Class II Senate elections, with legislative elections being held alongside either Senate seat's. But if we decide on a Jan/Mar/May/Jul/Sep/Nov cycle (Legislature-only elections italicized), that's fine with me.

I think the Legislative elections need to be Jan/Mar/May/Jul/Sep/Nov, regardless of when the Gubernatorial elections are. That way, there's a region-wide election each month. I prefer Apr/Aug/Dec for Governor, both to stagger the regional government elections and for familiarity's sake. Although Mar/Jul/Nov would be acceptable if the Committee prefers it--a selling point is that we won't need a special election for a one-month term if we go this route.

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Chamber of Delegates has a nice ring to it, although everybody seems to be using Assembly instead.
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They're probably doing that as a more generic name, or they thought it was officially that for whatever reason. We shouldn't let it restrain us from picking a more creative name. The boring option won on districts and Lt. Gov., could we go with a fun option on this one?

[tmthforu94]

I would argue against using "familiarity" to use one way or the other - two of the three old regions that are now here (Midwest and Mideast) elected their Governor in January/May/September. I also think it is easier to have legislative elections happen alongside gubernatorial elections.

The "placeholder" name is Regional Legislature and Regional Legislators. More than open to other suggestions.

[President of the great nation of 🏳️‍⚧️]

It seems like the first eight clauses are acceptable to everyone. After NeverAgain makes his response to this (if he chooses), I motion to vote on clauses 9 and 10 seperately.

Good idea, I second the motion.

I third.

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That seems okay with me, but as tmth said, it seems easier to have legislative elections happen alongside gubernatorial elections.

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I don't mind a fun option (nay, I condone one). I was just saying people seem to be using assembly instead of something fun.

[NeverAgain]

My record of "socialist daliences" stands for itself. I am perfectly willing to support gurrantees of economic security through legislative means, but not in the constitution, certainly not in the constitution of a region, which lacks the extensive resources and support of the Federal Gov't. Working through budget policy, you can negotiate and recieve federal assistance. A constitutional mandate is continual and ongoing and if the Feds don't come through, everything else has to get sacrificed, from education to infrastructure.

I don't think that is a responsbile to approach to structuring a constitution and therefore there is no way I can support clause 10.

I do understand your concerns, especially the federal vs. regional concerns. And I do think that the responsibility of dispensing federal funds lies with the Feds. But my only belief is that we as citizens deserve economic security in our old age for which they have earned in their entirely. I would be fine with researching alternate means for adding 'The Right to Security' in our Federal Constitution. I feel that the right to police, fire control, and other public service forces that protects citizens deserve to be a right in our BoR.

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I believe that economic security is a constitutional right for Seniors. And I think that doesn't lie with the regions, for which I see now. I don't see Social Security as fiscal policy, it is a right, which of course can be debated, but it should be a right.

Stating the right to vote is linked with taxation was the basis of the founding of our nation. I believe that we as a region should uphold that right for all Atlasians (We still have tax policy, but we're not taxed in real life; I don't see your point). Expanding the right to vote to accommodate this right (and Section 3) would be great for our democracy.

Le sigh...

My final Draft:

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I don't mind voting on this separately, but I feel this is a fine compromise. If y'all want to continue on this that's fine, but that is your prerogative, not mine.

Also I support Nashville as our capital and 'The Southern Region' to be our name.

*drops mic* *jet lag takes over*

[tmthforu94]

I'm fine with this. It would be nice to say "with forces such as" - just a nitpick on not using the word "like".

[NeverAgain]

I'm fine with this. It would be nice to say "with forces such as" - just a nitpick on not using the word "like".

Completely agreed, we don't want to sound like a 16-year-old girl chatting with her friends.

[President of the great nation of 🏳️‍⚧️]

I'm fine with this. It would be nice to say "with forces such as" - just a nitpick on not using the word "like".

Completely agreed, we don't want to sound like a 16-year-old girl chatting with her friends.

As a 15-year-old girl, I can confirm that we shouldn't, like, like-like "like."
That's probably grammatically incorrect, please don't hurt me

[Classic Conservative]

What about firearms?

[NeverAgain]

What about firearms?

That is guaranteed by our Federal Constitutions BoR. There is no need for redundancy, only for clarification and additions for the regions.