"Sanders wants two Clinton supporters removed from key convention roles"

[Landslide Lyndon]

He's objectively correct, though.

if by "correct", you mean "incorrect", sure.

What is incorrect in the statement?

[Shameless Lefty Hack]

Gosh, next he'll be asking to be Secretary of State!

Or wait, he actually wants to change the party instead of securing a personal appointment.

Yeah, this guy's so damned selfish.


(also, not many losing campaigns go in with 45% of pledged delegates)

Oh, I see.

Actually though. Clinton and Obama didn't have ideological differences, so Clinton could be brought into the tent with a springboard for 2016.

Sanders is asking for the party to be changed because, believe it or not, he wants to change the party.

Barney Frank responds to Sanders asking his removal.
And as expected it's a beauty.

Meh, typical neoliberal Dem equating diversity with equality. Who of those people Frank lists weren't wealthy? Who hadn't gone to elite colleges? Frankly, someone who lives in a rural area of the country like VT *is * diversity in the Democratic party these days.

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He's objectively correct, though.

if by "correct", you mean "incorrect", sure.

What is incorrect in the statement?

Well, for one thing, Representative Frank's delusional claims that Sanders is a white supremacist just because he gets more support from white people than black people.

[Landslide Lyndon]

Gosh, next he'll be asking to be Secretary of State!

Or wait, he actually wants to change the party instead of securing a personal appointment.

Yeah, this guy's so damned selfish.


(also, not many losing campaigns go in with 45% of pledged delegates)

Oh, I see.

Actually though. Clinton and Obama didn't have ideological differences, so Clinton could be brought into the tent with a springboard for 2016.

Sanders is asking for the party to be changed because, believe it or not, he wants to change the party.

And make it more like Cornell West and Susan Sarandon?
Thanks, but no thanks.

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3rd way identity politics at its worst. Bernie would have been the first non Christian nominee, but his supporters don't constantly use idiotic identity politics as an excuse to support him.

[Shameless Lefty Hack]

And make it more like Cornell West and Susan Sarandon?
Thanks, but no thanks.

Pretty much anything's better than the boring, bought and paid for blur that the party's become under the Third Way.

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3rd way identity politics at its worst. Bernie would have been the first non Christian nominee, but his supporters don't constantly use idiotic identity politics as an excuse to support him.

Please, don't start. We've already got the Hillbot equivalent of yourself in this thread, we don't need it to get any worse.

[Landslide Lyndon]

And make it more like Cornell West and Susan Sarandon?
Thanks, but no thanks.

Pretty much anything's better than the boring, bought and paid for blur that the party's become under the Third Way.

That's the kind of idiotic excuse that Naderites (who mostly support Sanders now) used back in 2000 and resulted in 8 years of Bush.
But hey, what's  a few thousand people dead as long as some privileged (mostly white) guys maintain their ideological purity.

[Shameless Lefty Hack]

>Implying Clinton isn't as hawkish as Bush.

[Landslide Lyndon]

>Implying Clinton isn't as hawkish as Bush.

Are you really that daft?
BTW, Clinton isn't running against W. She is running against a guy who can't be trusted with a toy gun, let alone with the biggest nuclear arsenal in the world..

[Shameless Lefty Hack]

>Implying Clinton isn't as hawkish as Bush.

Are you really that daft?
BTW, Clinton isn't running against W. She is running against a guy who can't be trusted with a toy gun, let alone with the biggest nuclear arsenal in the world..

I'm daft enough to see an advocated intervention in Libya, a vote for Iraq, and two really irresponsible positions on Syria and Ukraine and do the math.


BTW your entire 'argument' assumes that I won't vote for Clinton in the general. My point is that Bernie's right to push the Democratic party for everything he can get, because establishment dems are generally trash right now, not that I won't vote against Trump.

[Landslide Lyndon]

>Implying Clinton isn't as hawkish as Bush.

Are you really that daft?
BTW, Clinton isn't running against W. She is running against a guy who can't be trusted with a toy gun, let alone with the biggest nuclear arsenal in the world..

I'm daft enough to see an advocated intervention in Libya, a vote for Iraq, and two really irresponsible positions on Syria and Ukraine and do the math.


BTW your entire 'argument' assumes that I won't vote for Clinton in the general. My point is that Bernie's right to push the Democratic party for everything he can get, because establishment dems are generally trash right now, not that I won't vote against Trump.

Sanders supported the interventions in Libya and Syria, so don't give me that crap that he is somehow a dove. I'm not a wide-eyed teenage boy who thinks that socialism is cool.

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>Implying Clinton isn't as hawkish as Bush.

Are you really that daft?
BTW, Clinton isn't running against W. She is running against a guy who can't be trusted with a toy gun, let alone with the biggest nuclear arsenal in the world..

I'm daft enough to see an advocated intervention in Libya, a vote for Iraq, and two really irresponsible positions on Syria and Ukraine and do the math.


BTW your entire 'argument' assumes that I won't vote for Clinton in the general. My point is that Bernie's right to push the Democratic party for everything he can get, because establishment dems are generally trash right now, not that I won't vote against Trump.

You shouldn't argue with Landslide Lyndon. He's basically Jfern, except as a Clinton supporter.

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I'm not a wide-eyed teenage boy who thinks that socialism is cool.

Ahahahahahahahahahaha.

Okay buddy, calm down, it's okay.

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Since we're now just relitigating the Dem primary, because why the heck not (isn't it MY side who wants to do that?!)

1) Sanders voted for something very different in Libya than what Clinton pushed for and what happened.

2) Given that President Obama very soundly DIDN'T take Clinton's advice on Syria, and never asked Congress for anything so stupid as a no-fly zone while the second largest nuclear arsenal was running air operations in the country, Sanders couldn't have supported Clinton's position.

So yeah. Clinton's foreign policy is pretty nuts, even though it's dressed in all its Brookings finery to make it seem Sane and Erudite. Am I in love with my guy's foreign policy? No. Do I like that he calls himself a socialist? No. Am I in love with the 'free stuff'? No, though I think there are ways to justify it. He's just a damned sight better than the alternative.

You shouldn't argue with Landslide Lyndon.

I'm getting the impression that a Steelworker kicked LL's dog when LL was very young.

[Landslide Lyndon]

I'm not a wide-eyed teenage boy who thinks that socialism is cool.

Ahahahahahahahahahaha.

Okay buddy, calm down, it's okay.

Snark and smugness can't hide the fact that you regurgitate standard far-left talking points.

1) Sanders voted for something very different in Libya than what Clinton pushed for and what happened.

So he was misled by the administration? Sounds familiar.

[Holmes]

That Barney Frank quote was not really him, though. These are his comments:

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Like I said, I'm wondering who that Barney Frank 'quote' was from, then.

[Shameless Lefty Hack]

Snark and smugness can't hide the fact that you regurgitate standard far-left talking points.

No but this should have addressed your concerns more substantively:

Am I in love with my guy's foreign policy? No. Do I like that he calls himself a socialist? No. Am I in love with the 'free stuff'? No, though I think there are ways to justify it. He's just a damned sight better than the alternative. 

That is, ya know, why I wrote it.
I like Bernie because he's an economic populist, which the Dems haven't been in 20 years. I like Bernie because he's right on trade, which Clinton isn't. I like Bernie because he actually contests the white working class, and doesn't take their votes for granted as lost.

On foreign policy I'm a realist, which is why Clinton's liberal hawkishness (willy nilly humanitarian intervention that causes more problems than it solves) worries me. Bernie's less of an interventionist, which is Good Enough For Me.

I'm not a 'democratic socialist.' Far from it. So that's why I laugh at you thinking I'm a 15 yo trotskyist or something.

[Lyin' Steve]

Barney Frank responds to Sanders asking his removal.
And as expected it's a beauty.

I was furious when I read this, it's just disgusting identity politics and pointless vitriol that completely misses the point.  Thank god it's fake.

[Landslide Lyndon]

That Barney Frank quote was not really him, though. These are his comments:

Actually that's even more harsh since it insinuates that Sanders has accepted in the past money from bankers and accuses him for McCarthyism.

[Lyin' Steve]

Yeah I like the actual statement a lot better, since he shines a spotlight on the conspiracy-minded lack of logic in Bernie's opposition, which is the actual point.

[Joe Republic]

He's objectively correct, though.

if by "correct", you mean "incorrect", sure.

The identity of the author turned out to be incorrect, but the comments themselves are certainly correct, whoever wrote them.

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Please, Joe Republic. Enlighten us on Senator Sanders' white supremacism.

[Joe Republic]

"White supremacism"?   Where did you read that?!