Barack Obama vs. Volume 12: Lyndon B. Johnson

[Oswald Acted Alone, You Kook]

Felt like doing another Obama vs., this time with presidents that are considered better than him. I picked Johnson because of that new movie.

Anyway, LBJ or Obama, who is better?

[RightBehind]

Obama has been a good president and I usually vote for him, but Johnson was a massive FF.

[President Johnson]

LBJ still my favorite president along with FDR.

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

Lbj was trash.

[TDAS04]

Obama.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Obama.

[RightBehind]

LBJ still my favorite president along with FDR.

For me in terms of favorite presidents, it's Johnson and everyone else. He handles Vietnam better and he's easily our nation's greatest president in my view. I still have him top five all time.

[The Last Northerner]

Lbj was trash.

[RaphaelDLG]

Not 100% sure, tilt LBJ even though he was awful on foreign policy, but I know if you took the best parts of each you'd have the goat president.

[President Johnson]

Lbj was trash.

Yeah, ending racial segregation, passing voting rights and housing, passing dozens of social reforms like Medicare/Medicaid, implementing programs to protect the environement and presiding over a major econmic boom is all trash.

[beaver2.0]

Johnson.

[Blair]

LBJ

[dead0man]

Obama, not close at all.  LBJ was a c**nt.

[Mr. Reactionary]

Lbj was trash.

[ScottieF]

LBJ, narrowly.

[RightBehind]

Okay, so Johnson wasn't the best person in the world. He still is one of our greatest presidents and I'd put him on Mount Rushmore if I could.

[President of the great nation of 🏳️‍⚧️]

Tilt LBJ. He was a prick, but one hell of a legislator.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Lbj was trash.

Yeah, ending racial segregation, passing voting rights and housing, passing dozens of social reforms like Medicare/Medicaid, implementing programs to protect the environement and presiding over a major econmic boom is all trash.

His policies caused the economic mess of the 70s

[Goldwater]

Obama, easily.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Finally, Obama is winning the Republican vote outright!

[Sir Mohamed]

LBJ, narrowly, since he passed more liberal legislation.

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

Lbj was trash.

Yeah, ending racial segregation, passing voting rights and housing, passing dozens of social reforms like Medicare/Medicaid, implementing programs to protect the environement and presiding over a major econmic boom is all trash.

one can quibble at how successful he was at these actions. Sure he was a master at the parliamentary process of forcing legislation through, but there's a reason his rule was the last rodeo of the new deal.

Of course all of this is rendered moot by the Big Elephant, which I know is fashionable to ignore by modern day hipster progressives. But seriously, it's not something that can be brushed under the carpet, you guys.

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

A lot of the veneration of Johnson is based on lingering great man sentiment. "Oh woe, we are in a mess, if only we had a strongman to bully and push people around". The real reason the 60's was a great time for the expansion of leftish legislation was not because of the men at the top, it was the forces below.

And even then, LBJ was only that good when he had big thumping majorities. After 66 the guy was really quite hamstrung and had his remaining policies scuttled off the boat.

It's time to admit it: LBJ did a deal with devil and lost. Nobody can play 3 dimensional chess that long.

[Intell]

As Much I hate the democratic party of now (for multiple reasons), Obama was far better, because Vietnam was a disaster. LBJ would have been preferable to almost every republican, now and in that era though.

[RightBehind]

A lot of the veneration of Johnson is based on lingering great man sentiment. "Oh woe, we are in a mess, if only we had a strongman to bully and push people around". The real reason the 60's was a great time for the expansion of leftish legislation was not because of the men at the top, it was the forces below.

And even then, LBJ was only that good when he had big thumping majorities. After 66 the guy was really quite hamstrung and had his remaining policies scuttled off the boat.

It's time to admit it: LBJ did a deal with devil and lost. Nobody can play 3 dimensional chess that long.

You mean like the Gun Control Act and the Fair Housing Act, both of which were in 1968?