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« Reply #300 on: June 17, 2017, 02:09:43 AM »

If this were done, then we'd do something like 1 senator at most until the population justified it.
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« Reply #301 on: June 26, 2017, 12:55:54 AM »
« Edited: June 26, 2017, 12:59:26 AM by IDS Delegate Ben Kenobi »

Goodnight ladies and gentlemen.

Tonight we witnessed the complete dismantling of Labor on the federal level under Clyde. DFW broke all the records for first preferences, superceding former Southern representative Duke.

DFW flattened Labor winning by 37 votes. Yes, you read that right. 37 votes. The most dominant performance in Atlasia history.

Secondly, but not of less importance, we earned a victory in the House of Representatives.

The ticket of NC Yankee, CMB22, fhtagn, Pessimistic AntiNeutrino and Leinad also smashed Labor. We have 5 seats and all of them held by excellent representatives.

I am especially impressed by the performance of fhtagn. 2 months ago our now disgraced Ex-governor Never again, sneered that she would never be able to get elected as a federalist. Well, tonigt, ladies and gentlemen. She not only got elected but she easily topped all the Laborites save Peebs.

Once again, she has proven NeverAgain wrong. She proved him wrong as a labor Speaker. She proved him wrong in May as a Federalist delegate and again as a Federalist Speaker. Now she is a Federalist Representative. I am very happy to see her moving up to the big house where she belongs.

But we will miss her here in the South.

Also, there is CMB. He's done quite a few things - he's the first ACPer to get re-elected to the House of Representatives. He's been doing some fine work up there and I'm looking forward to seeing what he manages to accomplish. I've heard nothing but good things about him.

I have thus decided to promote him to Chairmanship of the ACP. He's deserved it, as the highest ranking elected ACP member.

Finally, I want to thank NC Yankee. For a long time I was away and I would not be here without him. Thank you for everything. I am glad I could help you tonight.

However, we are not yet done. Labor still infests the South. We have two very important elections coming up in three weeks. One for the Chamber and one for the Governorship. There are some exciting plans that I can't yet tell you about! But we have a very strong slate there as well.

We need to continue rolling onwards and driving Labor out of power here. Twice we have failed but the third time is the charm.

Good luck and Godspeed!


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« Reply #302 on: June 26, 2017, 01:04:11 AM »

I am especially impressed by the performance of fhtagn. 2 months ago our now disgraced Ex-governor Never again, sneered that she would never be able to get elected as a federalist. Well, tonigt, ladies and gentlemen. She not only got elected but she easily topped all the Laborites save Peebs.

Once again, she has proven NeverAgain wrong. She proved him wrong as a labor Speaker. She proved him wrong in May as a Federalist delegate and again as a Federalist Speaker. Now she is a Federalist Representative. I am very happy to see her moving up to the big house where she belongs.

But we will miss her here in the South.

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« Reply #303 on: June 26, 2017, 01:12:56 AM »

I am very happy to see her moving up to the big house where she belongs.

So disturbing to see someone desiring to, as some might say "lock her up," over a lover's quarrel. I would say "get a room," but sadly free communistic love is one of the foremost goals of the NSDAP.
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« Reply #304 on: June 26, 2017, 01:16:27 AM »

Nev, had you treated her with a modicum of respect, she'd still be on your team today.

She worked very hard for Labor in general and you in particular.

She never once felt appreciated working under you. And I say "under" because you treated her as an underling.

Far be it for me to be unappreciative of one of the men inadvertently responsible for dismantling Labor.
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« Reply #305 on: June 26, 2017, 01:19:05 AM »

Nev, had you treated her with a modicum of respect, she'd still be on your team today.

She worked very hard for Labor in general and you in particular.

She never once felt appreciated working under you. And I say "under" because you treated her as an underling.

Far be it for me to be unappreciative of one of the men inadvertently responsible for dismantling Labor.

Ben, it's okay, I'm not into her. I'm gay. She's all yours. No need to whiteknight.
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« Reply #306 on: June 26, 2017, 01:24:28 AM »

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« Reply #307 on: June 26, 2017, 01:24:54 AM »

Nev, had you treated her with a modicum of respect, she'd still be on your team today.

She worked very hard for Labor in general and you in particular.

She never once felt appreciated working under you. And I say "under" because you treated her as an underling.

Far be it for me to be unappreciative of one of the men inadvertently responsible for dismantling Labor.

Ben, it's okay, I'm not into her. I'm gay. She's all yours. No need to whiteknight.
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« Reply #308 on: June 26, 2017, 02:20:34 AM »

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Facts are facts. She's done a fantastic job for us.
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« Reply #309 on: July 12, 2017, 04:39:18 PM »



Ladies and Gentlemen. We were told, long ago by our teachers that it was important to learn our history in order so that we would never forget the atrocities and the evils committed in the past. That we would supposedly in this more enlightened and tolerant age avoid the issues that occurred.

Today was a very sad day in the South as the Euthanasia bill that I fought and opposed that I passed a bill negating it has been overridden. The saddest part is that my own party supported it. I wish I could tell you that we were the beacon of freedom and oppression but the only vote against it was a laborite.

How far have we fallen? Have we not learned? Aktion B was the euthanasia programme enforced by the National Socialist party in Germany. It's intent was to exterminate the week, the feeble those who would take more in than society was willing to pay them.

Have we really reopened that can of worms again? We are told that with proper safeguards that it would adequately protect people. The reality is much different. Canada has seen a 6 fold increase. Euthanasia is now the fifth most common cause of death. 5th! In less than 6 months. And again, we see it in the aged, the infirm, the helpless and the disabled.

History repeats itself. We are told that it is 'the right of the people'. But people already have the right to kill themselves. What right do I have to kill another person? We are told that it is mercy to be dead rather than alive. But we do not have that right to kill another person. We are told that we ought to treat people but when the cost of treatment is in the thousands and you have a 20 dollar pill which do you think will be chosen?

Do we honestly believe that a sick and selfish society is going to choose the more expensive option.

I have initiated a court case on behalf of all citizens in this fine state. Anyone who attempts to kill another person in this state under the guise of 'mercy' will be arrested and charged with premediated murder, subject to life imprisonment.

I ask that the citizens of Texas, and the South to contact their representatives and express their anger that the South would pass euthanasia over the will of their people. If the state says that it can kill, it will kill, and it won't stop with just one group of people.

We have been here before. Let us step away from the breach.
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« Reply #310 on: July 12, 2017, 05:04:13 PM »

Not true. There were zero votes against it.
"It is intent was to exterminate the week"??
I have initiated a court case on behalf of all citizens in this fine state. Anyone who attempts to kill another person in this state under the guise of 'mercy' will be arrested and charged with premediated murder, subject to life imprisonment.
It is troubling that you believe you can illegally arrest and imprison doctors.
the South would pass euthanasia over the will of their people
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« Reply #311 on: July 12, 2017, 05:16:18 PM »

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Doctors who kill their patients should be arrested. It is troubling that you believe doctors should be legally permitted to kill patients.

We've seen the results of this policy in Nazi Germany. We're seeing the results in Belgium and in Canada. The results are that the weak, sick aged and infirm are facing execution for being 'too expensive'. Or inconvenient.

As a citizen of atlasia, and a resident of the South I am now subject to your bill. You could legally have me executed, so per my natural right to life I am seeking legal relief from the bill.
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« Reply #312 on: July 12, 2017, 05:32:21 PM »

Comparing allowing a patient with a terminal illness and their next of kin GIVING LEGAL CONSENT to end their life on their own terms to Nazi Germany?




The fact that you are so focused on the "killing" aspect and ignoring that there are real people who SUFFER from terminal illnesses with no hope for a cure shows how out of touch and uncaring you truly are about others. There are safeguards in the bill to prevent abuse of this, but I imagine your inability to read might make that somewhat difficult. 
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« Reply #313 on: July 12, 2017, 05:53:47 PM »
« Edited: July 21, 2017, 10:32:42 PM by IDS Delegate Ben Kenobi »

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Allowing next of kin to grant consent for killing patients permits all kinds of abuses. Say you have a sick lady who's got a fair amount of money. She's unconscious and on a respirator, but is very much alive. Son who wants the inheritance signs the papers and she's taken off the respirator and she dies.  We have already seen cases where 'next of kin' has been abused to kill people. It can be and will be abused.

You don't like the Nazi comparison? Stop adopting their policies.

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Yeah, I'm kinda focused on that 'killing' aspect. I wonder why.

Yes, people can and do suffer, but the reason that their suffering has meaning is BECAUSE WE DON'T KILL THEM.

The only reason we care for those who have terminal illnesses is because we believe that their lives, even if they are suffering have value. But here's the kicker. Life *is* suffering. We do not kill people who are suffering. We help them, and we treat them. If there is nothing more we can do for them then we care for them until such a time as they die.

WE DO NOT KILL THEM. What part of that is not understood? There are people in Canada who are terrified of going into doctors because they don't believe they will be safe. They would rather stay in their homes and be cared for by the people that love them. Why? Because people like yourself believe they are better off dead than alive.

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If I didn't care about their lives why would I be arguing that it is wrong to kill them?

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Safeguards have not worked well in Belgium. What we have seen is that euthanasia has been extended from people with terminal illnesses to encompass anyone who requests it. That is why I am leery of safeguards because they haven't been shown to do a good job of actually 'safeguarding' anything.  
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« Reply #314 on: July 12, 2017, 06:09:00 PM »

I care about an individual's right to live their life, and end their life, in a way that they see fit. If they do not wish to suffer, we have no right to force that on them.

I am not going to apologize for my support of the bill and the passed amendment. And I will certainly not cave in over insults such as "heartless psychopath".
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« Reply #315 on: July 12, 2017, 06:14:06 PM »

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They already have that right.

Are you aware that healthcare professionals in Canada are being forced to perform euthanasia? That Doctors and Nurses in Canada can lose their accreditation for refusing to kill patients?

I agree that people should be allowed to end their lives if that is what they wish. But I do not believe that gives me the right to force someone to kill me. I have the right to kill myself but I don't have the right to force someone to participate.

There is a difference, a big difference between the two.

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Then why are you siding with them? I could quote Himmler on the benefits of euthanasia in removing the unfit from the Master Race.

Would you like me to? I've got it right up for you.
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« Reply #316 on: July 12, 2017, 06:26:09 PM »

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wait did you even read the bill?

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« Reply #317 on: July 12, 2017, 06:37:40 PM »

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Again, similar regulations exist in both Belgium and Canada and elsewhere. Still we are seeing involuntary euthanasia. The problem is that there are significant pressures in both countries due to their health care to kill someone because killing them is cheaper than providing care.

The other problem is the power imbalance between patient and doctor. Who would confirm that the patient wants to die? The doctor. Who would be killing them? The doctor. In the judicial system you would not have the same person do both jobs. Signatures can be forged. Who is going to protect a patient who is unable to give consent?

The problem is also in the nature of the profession. Doctors need to have this authority in order to treat their patients. Killing patients puts a doctor in an impossible situation of having to kill a patient and at the same time trying to save the life of another patient. You are going to shatter your doctors by asking them to do both.

This is why Canada is having to force them because Doctors do not want to kill their patients or be responsible for doing so. We talk about giving people rights but if we're forcing people to perform them, something they have never had to do before, how is that right?
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« Reply #318 on: July 12, 2017, 08:15:24 PM »

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« Reply #319 on: July 12, 2017, 08:26:38 PM »

The South can't rise again if it's been put to sleep!

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« Reply #320 on: July 12, 2017, 09:16:45 PM »

The South can't rise again if it's been put to sleep!


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« Reply #321 on: July 21, 2017, 10:30:53 PM »

Anyways a couple of people have come to me and asked me if this was directed at them personally. I want to make it very clear. I did not write this specifically to blast fhtagn. That was never my intent.

I was angrier at the 5-0 vote and there was more than one person involved in that vote.

That being said, I want to apologize for some of the more over the top statements that I feel were not constructive and detract from the overall thrust. I have taken the one post down.

Thank you for your time.
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« Reply #322 on: February 04, 2018, 03:53:18 AM »
« Edited: February 04, 2018, 04:00:14 AM by IDS Ex-Speaker Ben Kenobi »





"Speech! Speech!"

Now settle down folks. One at a time.

"Rumor has it that you're returning to Atlasia!"

Well, I'm here to quash that. I'm touched that old friends have requested my return and that my time here has been much appreciated. I can't say anything more about the kindnesses of all of you, particularly Yankee, and our beloved president Fhtagn.

My departure was not on the best of terms, that is for certain. But my life has not been dull in the slightest. When one door closes another opens. Should I have anticipated my joy over the past while? Not certainly. I've been very blessed. I had hoped to share my blessings with all of you but that will have to wait for another time.

Life is all about choices. Everyday we choose a path. We cannot see where the path leads. Christ talks about finding the narrow way and departing from the broad. We find our salvation in our choices.

Who will you be today? Tomorrow? Are you happy about the path that you are on and where it is taking you? It is that first, apprehensive step that is the most important. To have the faith in things unseen, that the path will work itself straight. Take that step today.  

We must not turn aside because of fear. To allow our own disappointments and burdens of the past to draw us away. Instead, we must have the courage to forge ahead.. to the future!

I've been accused of many things... of being an antiquated Victorian in the 21st century. Of being unwilling to adapt and to conform to the new reality. I would challenge that assessment. We take over from a nation that was willing to travel to the stars. What have we done? We have not returned to the moon, something that was done by our grandparents more than 60 years ago. We have failing schools and failing families.

What progress has been made over the last 5 or 6 decades?

It is not that we reside in a progressive, but rather a regressive age that has become timid and fearful, the era of safe spaces and pussy hats.

And yet we call for progress onwards and upward into a conflux of confusion. Where one can be arrested for using an improper pronoun, much as the crowd did in front of their nude emperor.

Is this really progress or the symptoms of a decadent democracy that has lost it's way?

Folks charge me with being anti-choice, and I could hardly agree with the term. What choice is there in killing a child?

You snuff out all the possible and exchange it for the status quo. That's not change, that's stagnation. We eliminate the future one child at a time and call it "choice"? It is the furthest thing from a choice. For if it truly were a free choice, it would never occur to the child that they must die.

We tell a woman that they will not be strong enough or brave enough to have a child. That the thing she must fear most is hope. Who fears hope? Someone who has become so weary and beaten down by the system, for whom society itself has become a cage.

And this is progress? Hayek once said that we blame everything but our own choices, that we would rather ascribe our failures to nebulous external forces rather than take another path. We have a clear choice. 

Let us live. For hope. For joy. For a better world, one step at a time. For ourselves and for our families.

I thank you all, for your patience and your sincerity. God bless you all!
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« Reply #323 on: February 04, 2018, 10:57:54 AM »





"Speech! Speech!"

Now settle down folks. One at a time.

"Rumor has it that you're returning to Atlasia!"

Well, I'm here to quash that. I'm touched that old friends have requested my return and that my time here has been much appreciated. I can't say anything more about the kindnesses of all of you, particularly Yankee, and our beloved president Fhtagn.

My departure was not on the best of terms, that is for certain. But my life has not been dull in the slightest. When one door closes another opens. Should I have anticipated my joy over the past while? Not certainly. I've been very blessed. I had hoped to share my blessings with all of you but that will have to wait for another time.

Life is all about choices. Everyday we choose a path. We cannot see where the path leads. Christ talks about finding the narrow way and departing from the broad. We find our salvation in our choices.

Who will you be today? Tomorrow? Are you happy about the path that you are on and where it is taking you? It is that first, apprehensive step that is the most important. To have the faith in things unseen, that the path will work itself straight. Take that step today.  

We must not turn aside because of fear. To allow our own disappointments and burdens of the past to draw us away. Instead, we must have the courage to forge ahead.. to the future!

I've been accused of many things... of being an antiquated Victorian in the 21st century. Of being unwilling to adapt and to conform to the new reality. I would challenge that assessment. We take over from a nation that was willing to travel to the stars. What have we done? We have not returned to the moon, something that was done by our grandparents more than 60 years ago. We have failing schools and failing families.

What progress has been made over the last 5 or 6 decades?

It is not that we reside in a progressive, but rather a regressive age that has become timid and fearful, the era of safe spaces and pussy hats.

And yet we call for progress onwards and upward into a conflux of confusion. Where one can be arrested for using an improper pronoun, much as the crowd did in front of their nude emperor.

Is this really progress or the symptoms of a decadent democracy that has lost it's way?

Folks charge me with being anti-choice, and I could hardly agree with the term. What choice is there in killing a child?

You snuff out all the possible and exchange it for the status quo. That's not change, that's stagnation. We eliminate the future one child at a time and call it "choice"? It is the furthest thing from a choice. For if it truly were a free choice, it would never occur to the child that they must die.

We tell a woman that they will not be strong enough or brave enough to have a child. That the thing she must fear most is hope. Who fears hope? Someone who has become so weary and beaten down by the system, for whom society itself has become a cage.

And this is progress? Hayek once said that we blame everything but our own choices, that we would rather ascribe our failures to nebulous external forces rather than take another path. We have a clear choice. 

Let us live. For hope. For joy. For a better world, one step at a time. For ourselves and for our families.

I thank you all, for your patience and your sincerity. God bless you all!


Hi. I'm here to claim my rightful place as the sole C-TX in Atlasia. Wink
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« Reply #324 on: February 04, 2018, 01:30:11 PM »

Constitution Party fight!!!
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