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« Reply #75 on: July 01, 2016, 11:07:03 PM »

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Sure. I understand fully why Labor is supporting it. I'm not sure why the Federalists are supporting it. They seem confused about whom they actually represent. They seem to think that they *are* Labor.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe I was elected to represent the entire South Region - not just Federalists and not just those who elected me. There will be a lot of contentious issues debated in the upcoming session and I know it will be impossible to satisfy every citizen with my voting record.

Southerners will have an opportunity in August to decide whether my voting record and activity has adequately represented the region. They will have the opportunity to keep me in or send me packing. Tongue Or, if you're able to collect enough signatures, they'll have the opportunity to do that even sooner! Smiley
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« Reply #76 on: July 01, 2016, 11:55:09 PM »

So I am suppose to kick someone out of party for "lying to the voters about what he stands for", because he is advancing a cause he promised to push for in his campaign? I realize I have been working my ass off the last three days and might not be thinking clearly, but this doesn't make the slightest bit of sense


Tmth ran as a social liberal. Leinad ran as a Libertarian, you even had a run in over that issue during the campaign. Nobody lied about anything to anybody. Except perhaps you when you made a string of promises to me that have since been broken.


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Sure. I understand fully why Labor is supporting it. I'm not sure why the Federalists are supporting it. They seem confused about whom they actually represent. They seem to think that they *are* Labor.

Half of the Federalist Party is pro-Gay Marriage, or at least pro-gay rights. The other half is pro-respecting the community at the very least.

This is Atlasia, the parties are not above the fray, offering platforms to a group of disconnected voters. Our party members, 48 in total are part of the Atlasian community itself and have views of their own. The Party reflects the views that unite them as a whole. The platform reflects said views. We are not just going to blindly do the opposite of Labor. That would have meant opposition to the constitution, opposition to saving Atlasia and embrace of radicalism as they turned against it. We have brains for a reason, and that is to think for ourselves and determine the best course of action, and Federalists, that generally points in a different direction from Labor, it does not point in that direction just for the sake of pointing in that direction.
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« Reply #77 on: July 02, 2016, 09:54:13 AM »

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Where did he promise to work together with evergreen to try to pass a bill that advocated for puberty blockers? If you can find that in his campaign literature, I'd be glad to hear it.

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Leinad was not the one who collaborated with Evergreen. I have no beef with Lienad.

That bill is so far left, that every one of it's provisions fails just by applying libertarian values, let alone social conservatives.

Arguing that our health care should be providing for expensive, non-medically necessary services is not a libertarian value. Nor is it a Fed value. Yet, we have here TM leading the cause to the point of demanding that socon Federalists not campaign against it.  

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Then you lied to me. I was never told that I would have to support gay marriage to be a part of the party. TM, conveniently did not tell me that. I am looking forward to rewarding your lies with votes in equal proportion to what you received from me in the meantime. Votes, you never would have gotten if TM, or you, were straight with me at the beginning.

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So gay marriage is an official part of the Fed platform for which Federalists cannot oppose. Glad to hear it. That is why I left, Yankee. I will not sign onto any party that values that. I'm enjoying being part of Labor right now because you guys are getting the same treatment you've been giving me.

It's not a good feeling is it, Yankee?

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As a Catholic, I cannot support a party that values gay marriage, and I sure as hell ain't gonna vote Fed.

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So have you, Yankee. I at least have chosen to leave rather than try to muzzle you. You are wholly free to support puberty blockers and whatever, I can't say anything about that.

But I can damn well express my dissatisfaction with the direction of the party.

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« Reply #78 on: July 02, 2016, 10:13:09 AM »

Yankee, please don't. Us Laborites don't want him either.
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« Reply #79 on: July 02, 2016, 10:20:58 AM »

At least y'all are honest about that. It was TM who brought me back in the first place. Why? I'm baffled that he would. He knows where I stand on these things. Telling me to sit down and shut up about an evergreen bill? FFS. I didn't vote for that, and I certainly didn't vote for TM to be shoving it down my throat.

I guess it was worth it to get a couple of votes.
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« Reply #80 on: July 02, 2016, 10:21:50 AM »
« Edited: July 02, 2016, 01:49:36 PM by a.scott »

I'm pretty certain that the Labor Party is more than 50% gay/queer, so I don't see how jumping ship to an overtly pro-LGBT party (which you did on your own accord) is making your point - whatever that may be.

The Atlasian right has always taken a centrist approach to social issues, at least as far back as I can remember.  The socon wing of the Federalist Party is simply too small to have much of an impact on politics here.  Indeed, I doubt Leinad would be president today had he not embraced some socially liberal positions, such as that with respect to the "bathroom" controversy.

If you want to support Labor and vote for our candidates, by all means do so.  I'm just interested in hearing your rationale for joining a party whose platform is diametrically opposed to what you believe, and as far as it shall exist, always will be.
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« Reply #81 on: July 02, 2016, 10:31:13 AM »

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I'm leaving an overtly pro homosexual marriage party. That is the point I'm driving home.

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That is not what Yankee et al have been saying. Wink They've been talking nonsense about how we have three parts and all parts have to have a say. The reality has been that TM is terrified of socons and this is why he muzzles them. And belittles them in public.

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Uh, there are sensible choices for that, such as providing a third bathroom in public spaces and allowing businesses to make their decision rather than having it forced on it from a mandate. We all worked out an acceptable compromise there.

As for the Evergreen/TM bill, that bill is *so* bad it doesn't pass on libertarian principles let alone on socon issues. We're supposed to be funding expensive, unnecessary medical services as a mandate?

TM opposed regulations for the Catholic church to be exempt from employer provisions, meaning they would be forced to hire opposing Hosanna Tabor.

What am I supposed to do here? Sit back and support a bill that is unsupportable? I tried to negotiate with TM, and then realized afterwards that he had no intention of negotiating and wanted to ram this through over Fed opposition.

I asked him, "why not pass prolife stuff first". It's clear to me that the Federalist party is willing to sell out libertarianism let alone socon stuff so that TM gets his hobby horse. It's a sad thing all around. 

So I did the only choice I had, leave the party and speak out against TM's bill. Yankee is saying that I broke a promise, which is why I left the Feds. I know that there are consequences for things, and I am willing to accept those consequences.

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I'm ok with that. I know where Labor stands and I am not campaigning that Labor change her principles in any way shape and form. I am entitled to vote for whomever I damn well choose. I want two parties, one which is Labor and one which is Fed. And I want a Fed party that is openly prolife and socon. The only way I can get that right now is to vote for Labor so that the Feds don't get my vote.
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« Reply #82 on: July 02, 2016, 10:36:34 AM »

here you go, kenobi
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« Reply #83 on: July 02, 2016, 10:39:37 AM »

Thanks, evergreen. As I said, it was a masterstroke. I'm in great admiration with how you got TM to come over to the Labor while staying a Fed.
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« Reply #84 on: July 02, 2016, 11:50:09 AM »

I just received a beautiful message from this homophobic cretin, stating that the gay mafia has co-opted me. I think you have something personal against the gay community, Mr. Kenobi.
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« Reply #85 on: July 02, 2016, 11:57:05 AM »

I just received a beautiful message from this homophobic cretin, stating that the gay mafia has co-opted me. I think you have something personal against the gay community, Mr. Kenobi.
Who knew that Classic Conservative was a closet socialist? Welcome to the dark side!
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« Reply #86 on: July 02, 2016, 11:58:25 AM »

I'm ok with that. I know where Labor stands and I am not campaigning that Labor change her principles in any way shape and form. I am entitled to vote for whomever I damn well choose. I want two parties, one which is Labor and one which is Fed. And I want a Fed party that is openly prolife and socon. The only way I can get that right now is to vote for Labor so that the Feds don't get my vote.

Leinad is pro-life, Ted is pro-life, Yankee is pro-life, FFS Tmth is pro-life. Your tantrum has nothing to do with abortion, don't pretend like it does.
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« Reply #87 on: July 02, 2016, 11:58:52 AM »

Ahahaha! Someone doesn't like facts.

From the CDC:

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That means that homosexual men are roughly 30x as likely to contract HIV than the general population. That's right, folks 2 percent of the population has 57 percent of the incidence.

The CDC also states that smoking is 15-30x the risk for lung cancer, meaning that the connection between homosexuality and HIV is stronger than between that of lung cancer and smoking.

Sorry, Classic. Your 'well meaning bill' is misleading and wrong. And it will result in more tainted blood scandals that cost atlasia millions of dollars.
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« Reply #88 on: July 02, 2016, 12:00:23 PM »

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Then where's the beef? If the party is so prolife, why haven't they introduced a prolife bill yet?

Why don't the prolife bills come first?
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« Reply #89 on: July 02, 2016, 12:00:56 PM »

"Gay mafia" sounds pretty badass, to be perfectly honest. Classic, I'm jealous.

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« Reply #90 on: July 02, 2016, 12:01:57 PM »

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It seems we're finding more things out about the supposedly 'conservative' Federalist party everyday. Wink

I guess it's a good thing we let them into power. Now we get to see their true colors.
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« Reply #91 on: July 02, 2016, 12:03:43 PM »

"Gay mafia" sounds pretty badass, to be perfectly honest. Classic, I'm jealous.
And "gay goodfella" has a nice ring to it.
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« Reply #92 on: July 02, 2016, 12:16:35 PM »

"Gay mafia" sounds pretty badass, to be perfectly honest. Classic, I'm jealous.
And "gay goodfella" has a nice ring to it.

In terms of raw hilarity, though, nothing quite tops "gaystapo."

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« Reply #93 on: July 02, 2016, 12:18:53 PM »

We all may have our disagreements, but we can all agree on one thing. I say it every night, every morning, every afternoon, and it's so true: the Federalist Party is a MESS.
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« Reply #94 on: July 02, 2016, 12:19:24 PM »

We all may have our disagreements, but we can all agree on one thing. I say it every night, every morning, every afternoon, and it's so true: the Federalist Party is a MESS.

He isn't a Federalist, though Wink
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« Reply #95 on: July 02, 2016, 12:21:19 PM »

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Classic? News to me. Wink
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« Reply #96 on: July 02, 2016, 12:22:39 PM »

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Classic? News to me. Wink
Oh, you are really funny, Ben.
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« Reply #97 on: July 02, 2016, 12:27:29 PM »

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The sad thing, classic is that you used to have credibility as a conservative. Do you really think Labor respects you now?

They are overjoyed that someone they once perceived as a conservative has come over all the way to endorse their ideas... without them having to do anything!

You've handed Truman a greater victory than I ever could, Classic.

What are you going to do now? Unsay what you said earlier? Or cross over to the dark side?
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« Reply #98 on: July 02, 2016, 12:28:47 PM »

If you think CCon is anything other than a conservative, you're only lying to yourself.
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« Reply #99 on: July 02, 2016, 12:35:55 PM »

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I didn't know that Labor was the conservative party now.
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